kesavaross
Justified & Ancient
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Unfortunately the whereabouts isn't mentioned.Ah, see I missed that bit. Any idea whereabouts in the North East?
Unfortunately the whereabouts isn't mentioned.Ah, see I missed that bit. Any idea whereabouts in the North East?
Love these cases relating to buildings time-slipping.
The big question is does he still have the photos? Or did the camera jam or the photos vanish from the film/
I doubt that he retained the photos but if I see him again I will ask. As mentioned he could not recall where the vicarage was but will try to get him to narrow it down. Could merely be a mistaken observation but clearly after 30 years the guy still thought it bizarre. It would have been fascinating if the camera had actually recorded a time slip event. Nowadays of course photos are time stamped and give the exact location of the photo.Ah, see I missed that bit. Any idea whereabouts in the North East?
It does make you wonder if it’s always the people/person’s perception of their surroundings that change.I doubt that he retained the photos but if I see him again I will ask. As mentioned he could not recall where the vicarage was but will try to get him to narrow it down. Could merely be a mistaken observation but clearly after 30 years the guy still thought it bizarre. It would have been fascinating if the camera had actually recorded a time slip event. Nowadays of course photos are time stamped and give the exact location of the photo.
Thanks, with a clue like a river name or nearby town then I reckon it can be located. Not that would necessarily solve anything but I do enjoy exploring paranormal places on Google maps or in person if close enough and then there are the associated myths, legends and other paranormal events to research.I doubt that he retained the photos but if I see him again I will ask. As mentioned he could not recall where the vicarage was but will try to get him to narrow it down. Could merely be a mistaken observation but clearly after 30 years the guy still thought it bizarre. It would have been fascinating if the camera had actually recorded a time slip event. Nowadays of course photos are time stamped and give the exact location of the photo.
Seems to be the case as even if the leave Bold Street out of it (the problem child of time-slips), there have been others reported from locations such as central London whilst in heavy traffic and yet there has only been one witness account. However, I don't feel this is necessarily a 'win' for skeptics as these are just that - a 'slip' - as the event happens so fast that I doubt a passer-by would notice if the occupant of the car blinked out and back into reality (if that is indeed what happens).It does make you wonder if it’s always the people/person’s perception of their surroundings that change.
There was also the well known story of the pilot who saw an airfield as it was to be in the future.Seems to be the case as even if the leave Bold Street out of it (the problem child of time-slips), there have been others reported from locations such as central London whilst in heavy traffic and yet there has only been one witness account. However, I don't feel this is necessarily a 'win' for skeptics as these are just that - a 'slip' - as the event happens so fast that I doubt a passer-by would notice if the occupant of the car blinked out and back into reality (if that is indeed what happens).
Then we also have the debate as to whether some ghost sightings are actually time-slips and vice-versa. One of my favourites is from a book I no longer have and happened back in the 1970s (when else?). A couple who drive up onto an open field car park on the Isle of Wight and as they crested the hill they witnessed a Roman soldier encampment spread out before them that then vanished. So, the ghosts of Romans or a time-slip?
However, in the cas of the Vicarage we have a future time-slip in that he saw the the completed development. These are much rarer (or less noticeable?) although there is a great case is from @RuthRoperWylde (i think?) of a man in the mid-20th Century who saw what looked like a spaceman on a futurist motorcycle pass him at a certain point on a road. He would later tell his son about the sighting. Fast forward perhaps four decades: the father has passed away and the son has become a motorcyclist, riding that road on his new motorbike and dressed in silver one-piece leathers with a full visor helmet. At that particular spot along the road he passes a man in mid-20th century clothing gawping at him...!
I don't feel there are meant to be easy answers. For decades we have wanted a clear photo of a UFO in the skies above Britain and when we get one (Calvine) the identity of the photographer cannot be established.
When confronted with skeptics claiming "it's all in the mind" I tend to reply with the Harry Martindale York cellar Romans and the details he recalled that were not known about at that time (eg the existence, level and course of the Roman road, the round shields etc).There was also the well known story of the pilot who saw an airfield as it was to be in the future.
I often wonder if ghosts are seen with our eyes or mind. But maybe everything is perceived that way. Are ghosts/time slips different layers or frequencies maybe?
What we really need is a time slip experienced from both sides.
Being in the mind doesn’t mean it’s imagined. The mind might be receiving something the eyes don’t.When confronted with skeptics claiming "it's all in the mind" I tend to reply with the Harry Martindale York cellar Romans and the details he recalled that were not known about at that time (eg the existence, level and course of the Roman road, the round shields etc).
Just remembered the case on Uncanny where the witness came across the old man carrying the candle on the landing of her house and he reacted with fright upon seeing her, which sounds much more like a two-way time-slip than a ghost.
Yes, the mind as a receiver opens up all sorts of possibilities.Being in the mind doesn’t mean it’s imagined. The mind might be receiving something the eyes don’t.
I did like that one. I would be great to have an account from the man who saw her.
I have pondered whether ghosts, time slips etc are seen in the observer's mind's eye as it were. Probably not an explanation where there is some sort of interaction involved or where the event is observed by more than one person at the same time though.Yes, the mind as a receiver opens up all sorts of possibilities.
Things like this make me wonder whether the sighting is actually a 'projection' of the past, rather than an objectively 'real' thing that people are seeing, because in the Roman era the landscape would have been different - not hugely, but things like ground levels, water courses, tree positioning. must have varied quite a lot. So someone 'seeing' a wide open field with something unexpected upon it - were they overlaying the 'then' on the 'now', and what happened to (for example) the river that used to run there but has since been diverted, or the various copses of trees and their clearings that 'ought' to have been there...?Then we also have the debate as to whether some ghost sightings are actually time-slips and vice-versa. One of my favourites is from a book I no longer have and happened back in the 1970s (when else?). A couple who drive up onto an open field car park on the Isle of Wight and as they crested the hill they witnessed a Roman soldier encampment spread out before them that then vanished. So, the ghosts of Romans or a time-slip?
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Absolutely. It is a great shame we don't have a more detailed account, although I have now remembered that one of the camp inhabitants turned and recoiled in horror upon seeing them and then the scene vanished (probably 30 years since i read the account but believe this is correct and perhaps why it has stuck in my mind).Things like this make me wonder whether the sighting is actually a 'projection' of the past, rather than an objectively 'real' thing that people are seeing, because in the Roman era the landscape would have been different - not hugely, but things like ground levels, water courses, tree positioning. must have varied quite a lot. So someone 'seeing' a wide open field with something unexpected upon it - were they overlaying the 'then' on the 'now', and what happened to (for example) the river that used to run there but has since been diverted, or the various copses of trees and their clearings that 'ought' to have been there...?
I just read an account in Paranormal Devon by Daniel Codd of someone who claimed to have seen a ghost of a Roman soldier (near Okehampton IIRC), before the location of a nearby Roman fort was known. The witness claimed that that the Roman soldier seemed to react with shock upon seeing her.When confronted with skeptics claiming "it's all in the mind" I tend to reply with the Harry Martindale York cellar Romans and the details he recalled that were not known about at that time (eg the existence, level and course of the Roman road, the round shields etc).
Just remembered the case on Uncanny where the witness came across the old man carrying the candle on the landing of her house and he reacted with fright upon seeing her, which sounds much more like a two-way time-slip than a ghost.
That is interesting, I may have confused the two cases as I'm sure I read that book. According to his Amazon book blurb it was indeed on the 'fringes of Okehampton":I just read an account in Paranormal Devon by Daniel Codd by someone who claimed to have seen a ghost of a Roman soldier (near Okehampton IIRC), before the location of a nearby Roman fort was known. The witness claimed that that the Roman soldier seemed to react with shock upon seeing her.
There was also the well known story of the pilot who saw an airfield as it was to be in the future.