AlchoPwn
Public Service is my Motto.
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- Nov 2, 2017
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Hi Analis, sounds like you have very little regard for democracy or its outcomes. I don't see you proposing any alternatives. Do you own a lot of brown shirts?
BTW I seriously stand by what I wrote. Most politicians I have met have been anything but cynical or sociopathic. They form a normal cross-section of the community in my experience, with no abnormal rates of mental illness. The same is not true of lobbyists, in my experience, however. Now I see you touting a large number of 20th Century dictators, but that just makes me wonder all the more whether you have an extensive wardrobe full of brown shirts. Dictatorship is not democracy, and to measure a democracy against a dictatorship is a false equivalency. Please consider that you may be overstating your case?
As for exploiting the lower classes, as even Communism, whose primary avowed goal was not to exploit the lower classes found that they couldn't achieve that. Eventually someone has to do some work and the best we as a society can do is adequately remunerate the workers. The problem there is that the more skilled the job, the more people expect to be paid for it, and while people are considered to be equal before the law, what employers will pay for various skills is far from equal. Does that mean you hate Capitalism, because wage rates are far more about market forces than politics, save where a social safety net is in place.
I note also that you attack idealism in leaders, saying that it leads to aggressive policies, when it also leads to an honest agenda without the very elements of sociopathic manipulation that you initially said you detest. You do realize that people who go into office should have a plan? And that this plan is probably based on ideals, for how could it not be? So if you complain about idealism, why don't you yourself be a bit more pragmatic?
Now you say that politicians are essentially ruthless and obsessive individuals who organize themselves into conspiracies, claiming that conspiracy theorists are the only ones paranoid enough to understand what is going on.
I totally disagree. In fact I think your opinion of politicians is a form of perverse demonizing and suggests you know very little about what is, for the most part, a very boring and bureaucratic job that carries relatively few rewards when compared to corporate employment. Politicians are simply not that horrid. They are often
Next, face facts, most conspiracy theorists are utterly deranged and have less than no idea about what is really going on. They are concerned about satanism, ufos and reptilian humanoids, not about budgets, committee meetings, and policy statements. They seem to think that the political party they oppose holds weird rituals after they finish the business of the day, then cavort naked with devils and aliens, rather than having a coffee or going to a bar for a drink. If what you said about politicians was said about someone of a minority ethnic affiliation you would be called a bigot or worse.
As for unwinnable wars, I would point out that it is people like yourself undermining military efforts than makes wars unwinnable, while at the same time demanding action any time your country is attacked. Frankly, destabilizing and destroying countries that initiate hostile action against one's own people is the whole point of making war.
As to Trump, I stand by what I said. I don't think Dems think in terms of revenge. For them the mindset is more about outrage, and Trump keeps delivering. I think it will be the Republicans who eventually have enough of this outsider tarnishing their brand and find a way to give him the boot. I wonder what sort of President Pence will make?
As to elderly people not using forums, well, I agree with your assessment. I don't think the Russian hacking was a major contributor to Brexit, but the fact that Russian interference occurred at all is grounds for concern, given Putin's increasingly aggressive foreign policy.
BTW I seriously stand by what I wrote. Most politicians I have met have been anything but cynical or sociopathic. They form a normal cross-section of the community in my experience, with no abnormal rates of mental illness. The same is not true of lobbyists, in my experience, however. Now I see you touting a large number of 20th Century dictators, but that just makes me wonder all the more whether you have an extensive wardrobe full of brown shirts. Dictatorship is not democracy, and to measure a democracy against a dictatorship is a false equivalency. Please consider that you may be overstating your case?
As for exploiting the lower classes, as even Communism, whose primary avowed goal was not to exploit the lower classes found that they couldn't achieve that. Eventually someone has to do some work and the best we as a society can do is adequately remunerate the workers. The problem there is that the more skilled the job, the more people expect to be paid for it, and while people are considered to be equal before the law, what employers will pay for various skills is far from equal. Does that mean you hate Capitalism, because wage rates are far more about market forces than politics, save where a social safety net is in place.
I note also that you attack idealism in leaders, saying that it leads to aggressive policies, when it also leads to an honest agenda without the very elements of sociopathic manipulation that you initially said you detest. You do realize that people who go into office should have a plan? And that this plan is probably based on ideals, for how could it not be? So if you complain about idealism, why don't you yourself be a bit more pragmatic?
Now you say that politicians are essentially ruthless and obsessive individuals who organize themselves into conspiracies, claiming that conspiracy theorists are the only ones paranoid enough to understand what is going on.
I totally disagree. In fact I think your opinion of politicians is a form of perverse demonizing and suggests you know very little about what is, for the most part, a very boring and bureaucratic job that carries relatively few rewards when compared to corporate employment. Politicians are simply not that horrid. They are often
Next, face facts, most conspiracy theorists are utterly deranged and have less than no idea about what is really going on. They are concerned about satanism, ufos and reptilian humanoids, not about budgets, committee meetings, and policy statements. They seem to think that the political party they oppose holds weird rituals after they finish the business of the day, then cavort naked with devils and aliens, rather than having a coffee or going to a bar for a drink. If what you said about politicians was said about someone of a minority ethnic affiliation you would be called a bigot or worse.
As for unwinnable wars, I would point out that it is people like yourself undermining military efforts than makes wars unwinnable, while at the same time demanding action any time your country is attacked. Frankly, destabilizing and destroying countries that initiate hostile action against one's own people is the whole point of making war.
As to Trump, I stand by what I said. I don't think Dems think in terms of revenge. For them the mindset is more about outrage, and Trump keeps delivering. I think it will be the Republicans who eventually have enough of this outsider tarnishing their brand and find a way to give him the boot. I wonder what sort of President Pence will make?
As to elderly people not using forums, well, I agree with your assessment. I don't think the Russian hacking was a major contributor to Brexit, but the fact that Russian interference occurred at all is grounds for concern, given Putin's increasingly aggressive foreign policy.