Naughty_Felid
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No Enola is right it is idiotic
Thanks for your input.
Mate I've looked at the stuff on the net and it's idiotic.
No Enola is right it is idiotic
Thanks for your input.
I agree .. hence the tinfoil hat on joke disclaimer ... btw, the Mrs says we can both fuck off (if that helps) ..... she can't be barred because she hasn't posted anything yet.Mate I've looked at the stuff on the net and it's idiotic.
I agree .. hence the tinfoil hat on joke disclaimer ... btw, the Mrs says we can both fuck off (if that helps) ..... she can't be barred because she hasn't posted anything yet.
IMHO this TB-test-conspiracy-whatever spin on the case is idiotic ...
ELISA is an acronym for 'enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay'. The label, if not the acronym, dates back to parallel research efforts defining and promoting this approach to clinical biochemical testing in 1971 - twenty years before the late Ms. Lam was born.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...ionid=712B528808AD089D10A4C0CEC99C96CD.f02t02
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/001927917190454X?via=ihub
ELISA is therefore a broad term encompassing a set of bio-assay techniques, and it's not peculiar to any disease or group of diseases.
LAM is an acronym for lipoarabinommanan - a lipid strongly correlated with the TB bacterium.
LAM-ELISA is simply the ELISA procedure testing for LAM.
Even if there's any significance to this lexical coincidence, I'd claim it needs to be approached from the opposite direction - i.e., starting with the woman rather than the test. The young woman known as Elisa Lam was born to a family of Chinese immigrants and given the Cantonese name 'Ho-Yi Lam'. It's never been clear to me whether 'Elisa' was her legal / official name of record (in Canada).
For all I know, 'Elisa' was a legally-recognized self-attributed name / nickname chosen as a pun on the clinical test.
On the other hand ... Given her well-documented fragile mental state, it wouldn't surprise me if a strong emotional reaction upon discovering the parallel use of the term 'LAM-ELISA' contributed to the (near-?) psychotic break I still suspect to be the explanation for her odd behaviors and ultimate death.
As you probably know it's fairly common for some ethnicities to anglicize their names or take on an English name in place of their given name in predominately English speaking countries. Luckily it's a practice that seems to be dying out.
Enola, tell Naughty that I'm not talking to him ..Yes, I know ... I had seen references to her having a different name in Cantonese, but I couldn't confirm whether her official / legal name was the Cantonese version or Elisa.
So I've just logged on after wasting 20 minutes to look at the evidence you were suggesting people check out and I need to "fuck off"?
Naughty thinks I might have to apologise to you and he's normally correct about these things .. so I'm not going to wait for his private message reply .. sorry EnolaGaia ... .NOTE to Naughty_Felid: Swifty's not talking to you.
(It may well be that he couldn't possibly hear you for all his wife's laughing at him vis a vis the Humour & Jokes thread.)
Me neither. When someone comes up with a believable/non conspiracy theory cause of her death, I'll be the first in line to draw some relief at a sensible closure .. my gut instincts are more grounded to be honest .. she met some junkies, they killed her, they dumped her in the tank .. it's the who and how and when factors that haven't been satisfactorily explained yet. That leaves room for weirder explanations until everyone knows for sure.
The author brings up quite a few interesting points, but for me the most important is why was the video released? As he points out, it tells us nothing we didn't already know. Presumably it was to show her actions were unusual, but that is largely the product of the manipulation. At normal speed, her actions appear far more ordinary.
I wonder how many people were reported as missing in Los Angeles at the same time? Did they get the same amount of publicity- I suspect not. Was it because she was Canadian or something else? Endless speculation but the authorities, by their actions, have caused this, instead of coming clean.
Let's unleash Occam's Razor here. Here are a few bullet points from the Wikipedia entry Death of Elisa Lam:
"She traveled alone...her roommates complained about "certain odd behavior"...Lam had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and depression....lamented that a "relapse" at the start of the current school term had forced her to drop several classes, leaving her feeling "so utterly directionless and lost."...a body language specialist who reviewed the video, suggested that she might be under the influence of ecstasy or some other party drug. When her bipolar disorder became known, the theory that she was having a psychotic episode also emerged. A very small quantity of alcohol (about 0.02 g%) was present...no evidence of physical trauma, sexual assault..."
(Note: the alcohol level 0.02 g% is ¼ the US drink-driving limit.)
I see no reason to assume foul play here. Were it not for the inconclusive CCTV footage, the headline would have read "Mentally Disturbed Lone Woman Found Dead in Foreign City", and we'd have yawned and turned to the TV page.
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But by the same token you could also have picked out:
etc.
If you only cherry pick details you can create the impression of a very different story. I personal feel that there are two many unanswered question in this case. Unanswered because the police did a really half-arsed job.
But by the same token you could also have picked out:
1. It took the Los Angeles County Coroner's office four months, after repeated delays, to release the autopsy report
2. Katie Orphan, manager of a nearby bookstore, was the only person who recalled seeing Lam that day. "She was outgoing, very lively, very friendly," while getting gifts to take home to her family,
3. They searched Lam's room and had dogs go through the building, including the rooftop, unsuccessfully attempting to detect her scent.
"But we didn't search every room,"
4. clothing similar to that she was wearing in the elevator video was floating in the water, coated with a "sand-like particulate".
5. Toxicology tests – incomplete because not enough of her blood was preserved – showed traces consistent with prescription medication found among her belongings, plus nonprescription drugs such as Sinutab and ibuprofen.[42] A very small quantity of alcohol (about 0.02 g%) was present
If you only cherry pick details you can create the impression of a very different story. I personal feel that there are two many unanswered question in this case. Unanswered because the police did a really half-arsed job.
^this^One really has to have a determined mindset to see anything suspicious in all this.
Just to - again - "cherry pick" some of your points:
1. And bureaucracy is normally so prompt, especially in contentious cases, isn't it?
2. How often have we all read accounts where people who subsequently committed suicide were said to be "in good spirits that morning", or who had just bought tickets for a holiday?
3. They were legally forbidden from searching every room, as they had no probable cause to believe that an offence had been committed.
4. She drowned, probably thrashing around, in an uncleaned old water tank. It would be astonishing if some of the years of sand, grit and dirt in the tank didn't end up on her clothes.
Her prescribed meds, plus over-the-counter cold/headache meds, were found in her system. Again, it would be surprising if they hadn't been.
The only weird thing I find about the whole case is that she had access to the roof without keys and how she managed to get inside the water tank (without a ladder) and then close the hatch. That looks like a body disposal to me.
The weird video stuff looks just like somebody quite childishly messing around, unaware that a camera is recording everything.