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If you think other theories such as aliens or yeti are more convincing you can run with them if you like but include me out..
Maybe they'd had their wallets nicked too.
If you think other theories such as aliens or yeti are more convincing you can run with them if you like but include me out..
Maybe they'd had their wallets nicked too.
Hang on a tick - your original quotation from page 20 of the McCloskey book didn't simply say that the accuser was drunk, that individual was described as "a young alcoholic". Now I've got some experience of Russian society, and the stereotype of Russians as hard drinkers has quite a substantial basis in truth: there are plenty of people who might merit the label "functioning alcoholic" who are not considered to be anything of the sort, at least by their compatriots. So if a Russian is described as alcoholic, I'd stake a reasonable amount of money on them being effectively derelict, or at any rate far from functioning. At which point Max's list of traits comes into play, and then some. (@maximus otter - the only thing I'd take slight issue with is your fifth point: last I looked the average life expectancy for a Russian male was 56 years old. I'd imagine it's significantly less than that for alcoholics. So I have a nasty feeling that decades don't enter into it...)WHOA Jack! We don't know for sure that he was drunk, the Dyatlov group might simply have told the police that to discredit him when he alleged they'd pinched his wallet!
The book mentions that there was at least one other hiking group waiting for a train connection in Serov station, so perhaps he was a member of that group, therefore all fully equipped with the gear to go with him to track the Dyatlovs and get his wallet back.
Hang on a tick - your original quotation from page 20 of the McCloskey book didn't simply say that the accuser was drunk, that individual was described as "a young alcoholic"...
Congrats mate, that was almost funny, keep the theories coming, this thread is donkey's years old and could do with an injection of exciting new up-to-the-minute cutting edge speculations by FT's finest!
Same goes for all other FT members, post your sensational theories here about what you think might have befell the Dyatlovs..
What did Yuri Yudin make of the incident? He was on the train and was the only surviving member of the expedition.WHOA Jack! We don't know for sure that he was drunk, the Dyatlov group might simply have told the police that to discredit him when he alleged they'd pinched his wallet!
The book mentions that there was at least one other hiking group waiting for a train connection in Serov station, so perhaps he was a member of that group, therefore all fully equipped with the gear to go with him to track the Dyatlovs and get his wallet back.
For what it's worth the most elegant theory seems to me to be that put forward by Donny Eichar in Dead Mountain. Elegant - but certainly not conclusive...
In the intervening years a lot more information has emerged - but, speaking for myself, nothing to convince me that any one theory is anything like watertight.
...The book mentions that there was at least one other hiking group waiting for a train connection in Serov station, so perhaps he was a member of that group, therefore all fully equipped with the gear to go with him to track the Dyatlovs and get his wallet back.
What did Yuri Yudin make of the incident? He was on the train and was the only surviving member of the expedition.
I haven't got Eichar's book so please tell us what his "elegant" theory is..
I suspect that this could be a reference to the Blinov party. Although their meeting up on he train was apparently coincidental both groups were known to each other - in fact, part of the same hiking club. If this was the case then the alcoholic (or not alcoholic - depending on your point of view) theft victim would have been known to the party. This doesn't discount the theory - but, if known to each other, it would put a bit of a different spin on things. And, if a known quantity, you'd maybe have to ask why the information in regard to the incident is so sparse.
The effects on the human mind and body of extreme environmental conditions caused by vortex shedding.
See posts 510 to 530...ish
...Here are some facts that may also support the murder theory, this first one suggests the Dyatlov group suspected they were being followed, so deliberately diverted to try to shake them-
p 31/32 "..they appear to have lost their way and ended up on the eastern slope of Kholat Syakhl ('Mountain of the Dead') rather tham Mount Otorten..as they had originally intended...Mount Otorten lay 9 miles (15km) directly to the north of where they were." ...
Agreed, I can't understand why McCloskey says in his book 'Mountain of the Dead' that-,,They weren't lost. Mount Otorten was the targeted objective and turn-around point for the ski trip as planned. Their path over Dyatlov Pass was part of the route planning all along...They were, however, falling behind schedule..
It seems clear that paradoxical undressing played a major part in the group's end..
They could well have succumbed to hypothermia in the tent, and left it in a deluded attempt to "cool off".It may well have partially played a part in the Dyatlov's demise, but it still leaves puzzling questions like why did they leave the tent and get hypothermia in the first place?
They could well have succumbed to hypothermia in the tent, and left it in a deluded attempt to "cool off".
No idea. That's a bit of a mystery, that.Okay, but suppose hypothermia made them run out of the tent, how did they get broken bones and other injuries?
Okay, but suppose hypothermia made them run out of the tent, how did they get broken bones and other injuries?
It can happen - that part of Siberia can experience sudden drops in (already) freezing temperature ...
The only members of the party whose bodies exhibited fractures were the four found at the 'den' / 'ravine' site.
And my understanding is that the bone injuries sustained by the bodies discovered at this site could be entirely consistent with falling into that ravine - is that right?
There was also mention of a missing tongue. If I recall rightly there was a suggestion that this might have been eaten by small animals, or by microfauna in meltwater later in the year. (I also wonder if it might have been bitten off as a result of the fall - which I believe is not uncommon in sudden impact situations.)
... so if even highly-trained people like them make such botch-ups, it's possible that perhaps the Dyatlov group mistakenly took clothing and sleeping bags that were too lightweight to keep them warm in the tent. ...
... As for all the other theories out there, some are more watertight than others, and for the record here's a list of them covered in detail in McCloskeys book 'Mountain of the Dead' on pages 83-116:-
Avalanche
Military accident (weapon testing gone wrong)
Murder by local Mansi tribesmen
Murder by escaped prisoners
Murder by Russian Special Forces (after witnessing top-secret experiments)
Murder by American Special Forces (after seeing a U.S. squad that was spying in the area)
Fire in the tent
The Dyatlovs fought among themselves and killed each other
Bears or wolves killed them
UFO's were involved
Yetis and Trolls got them
The supernatural 'Golden Woman of the Urals' emerged from her lair to kill them.
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