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Anyway, to any female member, I offer an apology in advance.
Don't apologise.
Stop doing it.
Anyway, to any female member, I offer an apology in advance.
unrealistic expectations of what life should give them without them actually having to make an effort to attaine it ?
Or one could say that it is further proof (as if it was needed) that men are simply more efficient than women in most respects.
Maybe women are just attention seeking.
... When lads set themselves a goal, they are still going about it in a more practical and efficient fashion than women attempting the same task, and achieving more reliable rates of completion. ...
A strange way to interpret what I wrote. Maybe you could explain in more detail how you come to that conclusion.
Line by line if you need to.
A strange way to elicit any answer, given that you don't even bother to specify from whom you're eliciting it ...
FTFYWaiting for the responses first. I'm sure the fairer sex will not let that one past without at least a raised hammer.
I can only base this on experience.
... One cause could be that young men are simply finding it harder to find gainful employment. And they are not stupid, they can see how the future is going to pan out. Add this to the constant bombardment of the media portraying alpha males with Ferrari s, exquisitely perfect mates (male or female) and all the things that they can never realistically hope ot attain, and you have the makings of terminal depression.
'I'm never going to make it', so why bother with all the anguish; just end it now.
This is a product of our £1000 cell phone etc society. It shows the very worst side of modern life.
I know that you are very fond of your personal experience, but evidence, even a pooling of experience, would seem to be a more reliable basis.
I have know quite a few women who have taken a handful of tablets then got someone to rush them to A&E to have their stomach pumped out before the effects could become fatal. And they have been careful not to use tablets, the effect of which, cannot be reversed or stopped.
So what would you consider to be the prime cause ?
I have no problem agreeing with this take on the situation.
My one reservation has to do with presuming all young men (or young people in general) are intelligent and / or knowledgable enough to see how the future is going to pan out. The younger folks I've known over the last 3 decades don't even pay attention to consequences or long-term ramifications, so I've no basis for gauging their savvy.
And these days it seems almost fashionable for young people, usually between about thirteen and eighteen, to have their own Social Worker.
unrealistic expectations of what life should give them without them actually having to make an effort to attaine it ?
Evidence that people who kill themselves are slackers?
thay have been brought up with unrealistic expectations of what life should give them without them actually having to make an effort to attaine it ?
I am asking what evidence you have that people who kill themselves have "unrealistic expectations of what life should give them without them actually having to make an effort to attaine it"
There is no point in debating it unless there is evidence (rather than FOAF or personal anecdote) that it is so.
55 recent suicides associated with Helium
You will note that It is a question, not a statement.
post 38 above.
i posted some stats on the previous page which implies rates in the UK are the lowest for decades.If this isn't a private thread...
When I did a brief study of suicide in Sociology at Poly in 1984, the suicide rate in England and Wales was just over 4,000 a year. The figure hadn't significantly changed over the previous 10 years and I was told it probably wouldn't over the next decade. If the number of suicides in the UK (ie inc NI and Scotland) in 2017 was 4,382, then the shock headlines must relate to changes in the gender balance and/or the age breakdown rather than the rock-steady total deaths.
Incidentally, I read that suicide statistics in Ireland (at least in the '80's) were practically meaningless - the stories of suicide notes found and hidden by Catholic family members were probably a myth (certainly difficult to prove). But a Coroner whose jurisdiction covered a river near Dublin never gave a verdict of suicide, every body recovered was a result of accidental drowning. I also think there is a big difference between the UK and the US in the number of suicides by deliberate vehicle crashes (I've earmarked the cliff in Cornwall where I'm taking my motorbike one day) - crashes in this country tend to be all treated as accidental.
Finally I have just read some of the stats on Wiki - 55 recent suicides associated with Helium, a significant rise apparently - what the ??
I ask you, is it not a reasonable hypothesis that contemplating a rather bleak future of unempluyment, which puts the male in a lower position when being ranked as a potential breadwinner, would not be reason enough to end it all rather than face what some may consider to be a humiliating outlook ?
... I can only base this on experience.
I have know quite a few women who have taken a handful of tablets then got someone to rush them to A&E to have their stomach pumped out before the effects could become fatal. And they have been careful not to use tablets, the effect of which, cannot be reversed or stopped.
In all these cases it has been a cry for help.
And also, it has to be said (because it is true) that they are reacting to having made their own lives a total mess.
Unless it's personally confessed (in writing before; by any means after an unsuccessful attempt), I tend to be skeptical of the 'cry for help' attribution. It's too easy a way for everyone else to cursorily dodge any personal responsibility for letting the victim's situation get out of hand. It's the safest of all 'mind fucks' (in the old group psychotherapy sense).
I do see what you mean. And these days it seems almost fashionable for young people, usually between about thirteen and eighteen, to have their own Social Worker. maybe if they were to take more notice of how the future is going to work out for their generation they would be better informed. Not as though it would necessarily make the situation any netter for them. If one has a 20/20 vision of a dystopian future where there is only work for a percentage, and a highly trained percentage at that, then They will need to be quite strong willed to see a reason for carrying on.Many do not even appear to be considering that there is a future. ...