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Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): Conspiracy Theories & Claims

About 2 weeks after Christmas I got sick. I never get sick. I mean that.

Indeed, same here, I never get ill (okay maybe one cold a year)...see my previous post that I had it all a couple of weeks before xmas. Similarly I just dealt with it as I would for any flu type thing, but my lungs were proper rough for weeks on end and I think I only really started to feel like I had shaken it off completely towards the middle of Feb.
It wouldn't surprise me if it did actually originate in the UK but we sort of ignored it as though it was just another flu type bug, then it got to other countries
 
They're two separate instances. I mentioned the Dean Koontz one on this thread earlier, but this one is from Sylvia Browne. https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/sylvia-brownes-non-psychic-non-coronavirus-prediction/

I know nothing about Sylvia Browne and am dubious about most claims of prophecy.

However I found the linked article by skeptoid Benjamin Radford to be nothing much more than a prolonged example of smartarsery (to use the technical term). To respond to his hair-splitting points:

I would have taken `in around 2020` to have meant maybe late 2018 or maybe early 2021 - and certainly not 2017 or 2023 - so the ten year window that Radford suggests is - to me at least - spurious.

The slightly wonky grammar of `In around 2020` does not suggest to me that this was later added in order to hedge things (as Radford implies) but merely that Browne is semi-literate (as most people are).

Likewise, her statement to the effect that the disease seems `untreatable` to me does not suggest that she is predicting that medics would have no clue what to do with patients who had it - rather that it cannot be cured. For the average punter `treat` is often used as a synonym for `cure`. (And Browne is an average punter writing for average punters).

Similarly her description of it as a `pneumonia` type of disease could be seen as accurate to the average, non-medical reader - after all pneumonia does keep on getting mentioned in relation to the virus.

The mention of her being a `convicted felon` is a sneaky ad hominin - we are not judging her here on her moral probity but on her ability to prophesise! There may well be hardened criminals out there with Nostradamus like gifts, for all we know.

Finally, as he almost all skeptoid pieces there is the claim that `people like a mystery`. This oft-repeated canardgoes all too often unexamined. The implications behind this claim are:

(1) That everyone likes a mystery (but I know many people who hate them, and some become skeptoids).
(2) That there is something suspect about people's liking for mysteries, instead of it being a symptom of having a healthy curiosity and imagination.
(3) that people's attraction to claims of the paranormal are driven entirely by a liking for mystery - and not for a myriad of other reasons.

All of these assumptions are at the very least questionable.

I'd say that, as predictions go, this is pretty good.That said, I'd like to know more about Browne's other predictions. Perhaps this is just the scatter gun effect - and she just got lucky here.
 
I'll need to be brief, as I've now got to catch a bus (and nothing worse than that, ideally), but meantime before I forget:

- claims that the MSM made mention of first deaths/illness from vaping/ecigs at the 'precise' time COVID-19 >might've< been taking hold (plus: convergent symptoms: allegedly). True? False?

- Wuhan Military Games 2019: *also* at the time COVID-19 >may< have been taking hold. What a totally-odd and previously-unheralded event.. Is this actually real? I vaguely remember it being mentioned at the time....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games
 
I'll need to be brief, as I've now got to catch a bus (and nothing worse than that, ideally), but meantime before I forget:

- claims that the MSM made mention of first deaths/illness from vaping/ecigs at the 'precise' time COVID-19 >might've< been taking hold (plus: convergent symptoms: allegedly). True? False?

- Wuhan Military Games 2019: *also* at the time COVID-19 >may< have been taking hold. What a totally-odd and previously-unheralded event.. Is this actually real? I vaguely remember it being mentioned at the time....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games

I like your thinking Sir :hoff:

Well there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_vaping_lung_illness_outbreak

... which has a link about the specific pulmonary injury... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaping-associated_pulmonary_injury

... in which the photographs look very much like what CT scans of Coronavirus patients lungs look like
https://www.alleyinsider.com/china-...s-on-both-lungs-are-a-hallmark-of-the-virus-3

In case you can't get to the links, this is the picture from the Vaping-associated-pulmonary injury:
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Aaaand this is the picture of the Coronavirus injury:
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(disclaimer: I am not House, MD... it could be that all lung problems look the same on scans).


As for your other point... well I've discovered that these Military Games have been held since 1995, but can't say I've ever heard of them but I'm not really into sport... perhaps others can help there.
 
I think the novel coronavirus was engineered in a Chinese lab, funded and commissioned by the Italian pasta mafia - The lockdown in Italy isn't due to virus measures, it's that every able-bodied person has been hauled into pasta factories to make the vast quantities now in demand worldwide. The pasta barons are in cahoots with the Triad rice billionaires in China, and panic buying is playing right into their hands.... wake up sheeple :omg:
 
I'm already immune to it...
To What? Zombie syndrome? Coronavirus? Or Death?

Any of these superpowers would be very-impressive to possess (and I doubt that you'd be immune to running, though I am certainly unmoved by it).

Snopes says this is all bollocks ..
I'm hoping that a lot more about this entire saga is bollocks than just the postulated logo similarities between a supposedly-real (and allegedly-relevant) IRL Chinese biotech company, and a pretend biotech company in a computer role-play game. And symbolically it's a generic 'cross paty', cf Knights Templar, Saxony, Germany &c

And @Schrodinger's Zebra - yes: potential X-ray (or CT) pneumographic similarities are, I agree, evidence perhaps just of common symptoms and impacts, not of common root causes.

Plague Train!
Proof right there! It's manufactured
Neither of you are being entirely-serious, of course, but just to show this track is not on the right lines
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid19-railroad-tankcar/
 
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To What? Zombie syndrome? Coronavirus? Or Death?

Any of these superpowers would be very-impressive to possess (and I doubt that you'd be immune to running, though I am certainly unmoved by it)./

In all seriousness I do not believe this virus started or was released accidentally by a lab worker in China. I think it's been around for some time and we just hadn't named it yet because it was difficult to identify. It looks and acts very much like a cold/flu.

Like I said in an earlier post, I think I have already been infected and it took about 2 months to recover. I also said in an earlier post that it has been written that once you have had the Coronavirus, you are immune and most likely will not get it again.

In World War Z, the zombies ignored all who were sick or had been sick. So, that would mean, no running necessary. Which is a good super power to have because I can't even stand up for very long. :D

Yes, I am kidding about the zombies. :)
 
Luckily, Pornhub have announced they are making Premium content free - so those who are self-isolating at home can stay "amused"
Pornhub is so public-spirited! Doing their bit for the community.
 
A black French/American colleague says that in the States a lot of black people think they're immune to CV for some reason and so aren't taking appropriate precautions. This echoes the earlier situation here where some Chinese people told me they thought only Chinese people could catch it, which was obviously not the case.
 
A black French/American colleague says that in the States a lot of black people think they're immune to CV for some reason and so aren't taking appropriate precautions. This echoes the earlier situation here where some Chinese people told me they thought only Chinese people could catch it, which was obviously not the case.

I had no idea that viruses were so discriminatory.
 
From Facebook:

If ever there was a conspiracy theory...
“Um has anyone read this? I obviously cannot confirm any of this but.......
(shared) Here is some inside info you won't hear on the news:

This morning at 4:30 a.m., Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was served a criminal indictment by the U.S. for corporate and financial crimes. Media owners were instructed to brainwash everyone that Trudeau and his wife have the Corona virus, and that they won't be leaving their house for a while

Tom Hanks was arrested 48 hours ago for pedophilia and he is currently being kept in a hotel room in Australia, refusing to fly back to the USA. The next celebrity arrests will be Celine Dion, Madonna, Charley Barkley, and Kevin Spacey. All will claim Corona virus infections

Italy's airports have been completely shut down, as over 80 Vatican and financial officials have been served the same criminal indictments for financial crime, pedophilia, child trafficking, and sex abuse

United Emirates have completed mass arrests of their own Royal Family and affiliates

Convicted Hollywood rapist Harvey Weinstein agreed to a deal in exchange for his testimony against hundreds of top Hollywood celebrities and their involvement in the drug business, pedophilia, and child trafficking. Instead of a 55-year sentence, he only received a 23-year sentence. In exchange he provided testimonies against some of the biggest and most powerful names, including Prince Andrew of the U.K., former president Bill Clinton, former vice president Joe Biden, Tom Hanks, Oprah, Ellen DeGeneres, Quentin Tarantino, Charlie Sheen, Bob Saget, Kevin Spacey, John Travolta, Steven Spielberg, Podesta, NXIVM and PIZZAGATE sex trafficking clubs, and hundreds more who all were directly involved with Jeffrey Epstein

Jeffrey Epstein was similarly allowed to make a deal and have his suicide in prison faked in exchange for his testimony

CEOs of some major world corporations have been indicted/arrested, and some have been forced to resign — all in the last 30-60 days — such as the CEOs of the NBA, Harley Davidson, the Bill Gates Foundation, Intel, McDonald's, Cesar Awards, and Disney; the Vatican Chief of Police; etc. Approximately 700-800 more resignations are coming in the next 3 months

The lab-created Corona virus was a cover-up for the mass mandatory vaccination agenda. Now it has become the biggest covert U.S. Intelligence operation that the world has ever seen. This mass 158,000-arrests operation will remove and capture the biggest evil and corrupted politicians, celebrities, and CEOs, including global elites and bankers such as George Soros, U.N. officials, and the founders of GRETA, inc.

President Trump will win the 2020 elections, and arrests of former U.S. presidents will occur in early 2021. All major arrests will be portrayed by the media as accidental or as conspiracy theories. All arrested individuals will be given "Rommel Death", meaning that they will have a choice between their death bring portrayed to the public as a suicide or an accidental death in return for assurances that his or her reputation will remain intact, or, alternatively, they can choose to face a criminal trial that would result in public disgrace

Some top religious leaders will be arrested or forced to resign, and some will suddenly get "sick." The Vatican will be the first, and the Pope will be removed in 2020. Production of human extracted Adrenochrome will be revealed, and Hollywood and the Vatican will be exposed as being directly responsible for that

Coming up there will be a 2-month complete shutdown of the world's most common operations, such as schools, the stock exchange, some banks, airports, shipping, travel, events, galas, expos, sport games, sport championships, music award ceremonies, NBA/NHL/Baseball games, and ship cruises. There will be food shortages and staged electricity power loss. Gas prices will go down, food costs will go up, insurance will go up, gold and silver stocks will fall, and many corporations will either go bankrupt or take a significant financial loss, such as in the case of what's about to happen to Air Canada, Disney, and Coca-Cola

Welcome to the Geat Awakening. What's about to happen this summer and fall will change the world's history”
 
I'm betting that this is photoshopped.

In terms of the Chinese claims that the USA deliberately used military personnel to give them Covid-19, it's typical totalitarian propaganda:
Chinese Corona Conspiracy Nonsense

The claim is that a number of members of the US military were in Wuhan for the World Military Games, in October and could have spread the virus then. This is implausible for many reasons. Firstly, the vector for the disease would then have been carried to the rest of the competitors in the World Military Games and we would be seeing people from those games being the ones who were ill. We haven't and they aren't. Next, Corona has a relatively rapid onset, and so the numbers of cases would be far higher and would have been detected in early November 2019, not January 2020. Plus we have had SARS and Bird Flu outbreaks in China prior to this, and they have always come from Chinese Wet Markets,Bird Flu Link, SARS Link, where illegal and unregulated "bush meat" is sold. Obviously the people spreading the Covid-19 Commu-resp-iracy theory are getting kickbacks from the wet markets, I'll bet. In short, don't buy it... (double entendre intended).
 
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