Mythopoeika
I am a meat popsicle
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Why, I wonder?The government will never give up this information.
Why, I wonder?The government will never give up this information.
... Area 51 was mentioned in documents from 1967 (but wouldn’t have presumably been talked about way before then) ...
Escargot not you at all. I meant the general public who dismiss it but at the same time are frightened of it.
Why, I wonder?
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As for Bob, he seems like the perfect tool for spreading disinformation. Find someone with a shady past, an overactive imagination, and a talent for convincing people. "Hire" him because of his "unique qualifications." Show him some wiz-bang stuff, none of it genuine. Release him, and watch him muddy the waters for decades.
Rather a high percentage of people either believe in the existence of aliens, or they think it is at least possible. They already know that we might be at the mercy of aliens.I suspect that governments fear mass disorder if the populace were to learn that humans are utterly at the mercy of nonhuman intelligences.
I suspect that governments fear mass disorder if the populace were to learn that humans are utterly at the mercy of nonhuman intelligences.
As for Bob, he seems like the perfect tool for spreading disinformation. Find someone with a shady past, an overactive imagination, and a talent for convincing people. "Hire" him because of his "unique qualifications." Show him some wiz-bang stuff, none of it genuine. Release him, and watch him muddy the waters for decades.
That's one of my 'theories' on him. That he was possibly hired to work there in some menial capacity related to his 'skills' and they used him to spread disinfo. He was soon fired allegedly because he took some friends out to an area too close to area51 to watch 'alien' test flights which they probably told him about to set him up. It's a safe bet they knew he was a bad risk and that was the intention all along.
My other 'theory' is that he's simply an opportunistic hustler who may have known someone who worked there and decided to capitalize on that.
Rather a high percentage of people either believe in the existence of aliens, or they think it is at least possible. They already know that we might be at the mercy of aliens.
I think this happens from time to time, given the behaviour that has been reported.What if alien visitors to earth are the worst of the worst, the Beavises and Buttheads of their kind?
I would definitely care about their intentions, but if they could prove they were doing no harm, I'd be fine with it.What would happen if the government said UFOs are real and humanoids are among us?
If they were friendly I would not care at all.
'It's a cookbook!'I would definitely care about their intentions, but if they could prove they were doing no harm, I'd be fine with it.
They're only here to serve, man. Or to serve Man. Whatever.'It's a cookbook!'
I hope any aliens with secret nefarious intentions are stupid enough to bring such a book to our first meeting and then just leave it lying about...
And that their language proves so easily translated...
And that double meanings of words are the same in both languages.
That episode was dreadful!
I hereby give up. Lazar's real background is anything but "erased" as one can easily see from Tom Mahood's work, at least when his Otherhand.com site is available. I think it runs out of bandwidth at times. People continue to believe this fraud in spite of mountains of evidence that he's full of shit. People just wanna bleeve. It's sad, really, and I'm gong to just ignore it along with all the other bullshit in the UFO field.
For the record, in case I haven't mentioned it here, I was one of the people who were all excited by Lazar's "revelations" in '89 or whenever it was. I didn't just buy into it though, and soon the story fell apart. Oh well.
Also, I hold George Knapp responsible for the mess. I consider him irresponsible, and an extra shitty example of an "investigative journalist". He apparently couldn't be arsed to check Lazar's background before breaking his story of a lifetime. To the detriment of the field. He's still out there shamelessly pushing it too.
Well..has Lazar ever said in detail who (how about a name) told him about the time and place of these test flights? Or did they post them on the wall at work at area 51?
I have read that many people in the general area who lived there for years knew all about the base, strange lights, and of course knew peole who worked there in general jobs. I suspect the time and place of testing was known to some in the area. JANET airlines flew in there everyday and many were employed there in support positions...I bet Lazar knew some of them....and that might be his source of informatiion. People like to talk and I bet many who worked there over the years blabbed about the place to family and friends.
It's certainly possible Lazar may have heard about the test flights from locals/Area 51 workers, but I think it's unlikely.Well..has Lazar ever said in detail who (how about a name) told him about the time and place of these test flights? Or did they post them on the wall at work at area 51?
I have read that many people in the general area who lived there for years knew all about the base, strange lights, and of course knew peole who worked there in general jobs. I suspect the time and place of testing was known to some in the area. JANET airlines flew in there everyday and many were employed there in support positions...I bet Lazar knew some of them....and that might be his source of informatiion. People like to talk and I bet many who worked there over the years blabbed about the place to family and friends.
One thing I've always found odd about Lazar's story is that there's no mention of when and how he came to have any interest in UFOs. I suspect his story would make more sense (one way or the other) if we knew whether he'd already been interested in the subject prior to arriving in Las Vegas.
It would be interesting to know exactly when and how Lazar first went public...did he call up someone...did Knapp bump into him at the local bar..? What?
Searching the newspaper.com archives, first mention I can find of Area 51 and Groom Lake, respectively:Bob Lazar came out with terms in 1980’s like Groom Lake, Area 51, S-4, element 115, and antimatter generators that at that time was unheard off.
In the 1980’s these things were not common knowledge.
One has to to be reminded that the CIA did publicly acknowledge the existence of Area 51 until June 25, 2013.
I noticed in the end credits for Russell Crowe road rage thriller Unhinged that one "Robert Lazar" was mentioned in the thankyous. Couldn't be, could it?
Ellsworth’s credits include “Red Eye,” “Red Dawn,” and “The Last House on the Left.” He is represented by UTA, managers Robert Lazar and Larry Shuman, and attorney Karl Austen.