Coastaljames
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Ridpath makes a lot of sense...and he may be providing a large pice of the puzzle. But I don't think he's got it sewn up 100%.
According to Ridpath, it was the AN/PVS-2, so even more primitive.
...spilling drops of something molten...
I doubt that Halt and co. (or the civilian witnesses) would have been taking drugs, but if somebody was messing with their minds chemically that could be a factor.I have always thought- if you have ever taken LSD or any other hallucinogen then you are very likely to be familiar with how lights can seem to melt and ooze downards like treacle. The "molten" descriptions always makes me think of hallucinogenic experiences. Seems to fit perfectly.
Hence the 'pencil-thin beams' they could see."...GEN I systems were large and cumbersome, less reliable, and relatively poor low light imagers. They were also characterized by streaking and distortion."
But Halt has since said the beam sent down at their feet was a foot wide..Hence the 'pencil-thin beams' they could see.
Well,
I doubt that Halt and co. (or the civilian witnesses) would have been taking drugs, but if somebody was messing with their minds chemically that could be a factor.
There are indications of mind control all through this case. Whatever had to be covered up must have been something big, and my money would still be on the black project accident. The analogy with Kecksburg is interesting -- in both cases the object was clearly in serious trouble then made a controlled descent into woodlands. Easier to control the fallout than somewhere out in the open.Yes- this has been the theory I have forwarded throughout my postings on this thread.
There are indications of mind control all through this case.
Might have involved both scenarios -- an accident and the chance to try out some new brainwashing techniques in covering it up. I can't imagine that they would just randomly experiment on personnel at an atomic base, but if they had an excuse... Trouble is that there is an obvious mismatch between the different elements. A large object falling into the forest -- a small clearing with landing imprints and broken branches -- Penniston and Burroughs saying that a bright glow appeared in the clearing and morphed into a very small craft... But the mismatch may be part of the disinformation, of course. It may be a mistake to focus on the more dramatic-seeming elements, the key evidence may be there but easily overlooked.I have always had that feeling that something was attempted, but it went a bit wrong - out of hand. I think it is likely participants had their states altered somehow...I think there was some kind of experiment or exercise.
This is from Halt's interview with AJS Rayl and maybe worth revisiting, as it contains some specific details, perhaps not explained elsewhere.I'm tending towards the Starlight scope being responsible for the beam phenomenon, but I could easily be wrong. The red/yellow light may have been a simple sodium lamp, which Halt may have been unfamiliar with.
This definately sounds like an LSD 'trip'HALT: We saw a glowing red object, best I can describe it. It was,
it looked almost like a red eye with a black pupil and it was sort of
winking and dripping what appeared to be the equivalent of molten
metal. And we just stood there in awe and watched for several minutes
probably, and decided to try and approach it. At that time, it started
moving through the forest. We could see it moving between the trees.
It was moving in a horizontal plane and moved probably 25, 30 maybe
40 degrees in between the trees and back around. It was obviously moving and sort of approached us a bit at one time and then it receded
out into the farmer's field. And, as we approached the fenceline to
the field, it literally exploded, only silently, and it broke into
multi-white objects.
Just prior to that, we had also noticed that the farmer's house
appeared to be glowing, as though there were a fire inside. All the
windows were bright red and sort of flickering and I was quite
concerned for the occupants of the house. And we stood there and
watched for quite awhile and the object, as it exploded and broke into
the multi-objects, disappeared. So, we went out into the field and
tried to find any evidence, such as any burnt spots or anything of
that nature. Couldn't find anything. We crossed the farmer's field.
I thought about knocking on the door...
Additionally:So, this was observed occuring in the farmers field?
One couldn't possibly comment...This definately sounds like an LSD 'trip'
So, when it came "closer", that's what we are talking about?RAYL: What about the object that shot the pencil-like beam? Any way to gauge how large that was?
HALT: Not really because it was dark and it was hard to tell. I would say they had to be at least 3, 4, 5,000 feet in altitude, maybe a little higher.
With everything also being rationised via our seemingly archiac starlight scope...Annular highlights around a yellow-red sodium light, which Halt might not have been familiar with.
To clarify, it's the actual document I hadn't seen; see post #538 and my newsletter highlighted therein for the background to our document.As an 'aside' and for info purposes, amongst the released MoD documents, I noted this earlier, which I wasn't aware of.
That's a great shout towards an explanation.In other words, if your eyes fatigue with green any subsequent red will be amplified.
This definately sounds like an LSD 'trip'
Might have involved both scenarios -- an accident and the chance to try out some new brainwashing techniques in covering it up. I can't imagine that they would just randomly experiment on personnel at an atomic base, but if they had an excuse... Trouble is that there is an obvious mismatch between the different elements. A large object falling into the forest -- a small clearing with landing imprints and broken branches -- Penniston and Burroughs saying that a bright glow appeared in the clearing and morphed into a very small craft... But the mismatch may be part of the disinformation, of course. It may be a mistake to focus on the more dramatic-seeming elements, the key evidence may be there but easily overlooked.
This kind of phenomenon definitely falls into the plasma category. When these things "explode" there are no fragments left even though in some cases there is damage to surrounding objects.Additionally:
RAYL: Now, I know it's hard to tell because it was dark that night, but any idea what size the initial red object was? Any idea?
HALT: Nah. I would just have to guess. My guess would be probably two to three to feet, maybe a little less.
RAYL: Two to three feet
HALT: From the distance, in diameter.
RAYL: In diameter. So, it's a very small object.
HALT: It was a very small object, but it was very bright.
RAYL: But not a craft that could hold a human being, for example?
HALT: No. It couldn't have been. But it appeared to [be] under some kind of intelligent control.
(End)
Going back to our map showing where the rotating beam from Orford Ness lighthouse was visible, how would this equate?
Perhaps significant is, at this time, Halt hadn't yet, of course, seen the later statements from that first night - not written until early January - and had no idea that the lighthouse was to be documented as playing a part during the initial incident.
Agree completely. I am certain that there are massive amounts of disinformation around in ufology, all of it promoting the ET theory, and much of it clearly aimed at covering up black projects. Roswell was their most dramatic success; explaining a debris field of foil-like material as the crash of a flying saucer had to be a difficult task. But they made one huge mistake -- ordering a number of child-sized coffins from a local undertaker! Obviously the US military had more than enough crates and body bags, and anyway what's to stop them putting the tiny aliens in an adult coffin! (Nevertheless many of the ET supporters see this as evidence in their favour!)Exactly! It was my first thought when first reading this account. I still stand by it.
I must admit - the fact it was a nuclear-armed base is the fact which gives me most reason to doubt my "perception-altering experiment/test" theory the most. Would seem a dangerous place to attempt it.
And yes- there is a mismatch. If you gave LSD to five people, at night, and pushed them into a forest do you expect them to have the same experience? That would seem very unlikely in my experience of hallucinogenics. Couple that with the fact that people and powers might have then been messing with each individuals in possibly different ways.
I like your idea of dramatic elements being used as possible disinformation. I think that it always very likely. Roswell...who knows what went down there...pretty simple for government/military to plant the seed it was a UFO. People go nuts...then the waters are muddied almost instantly by, well, by people like us all spinning out our ideas and theories. The truth is very quickly buried. I think it is very likely that such things could also apply to Rendlesham. It is a very useful technique to bury something.
Agree completely. I am certain that there are massive amounts of disinformation around in ufology, all of it promoting the ET theory, and much of it clearly aimed at covering up black projects. Roswell was their most dramatic success; explaining a debris field of foil-like material as the crash of a flying saucer had to be a difficult task. But they made one huge mistake -- ordering a number of child-sized coffins from a local undertaker! Obviously the US military had more than enough crates and body bags, and anyway what's to stop them putting the tiny aliens in an adult coffin! (Nevertheless many of the ET supporters see this as evidence in their favour!)
I am reminded of Von Braun's claims that the public were being prepared for a fake ET disclosure to justify the weaponisation of space. Not long ago they announced the formation of the US space force. He was right about terrorism and asteroid impacts also being part of the build-up.Everything is out there to confuse.
See also all this recent and current Pentagon disclosure nonsense.
Not at all. I think I can confidently say that any object which remains in the sky for hours on end, with a slow movement in the same direction as the rotation of the sky, is a celestial body, and not a black project or an alien space craft. It doesn't matter if you think you've seen it move - you haven't - that's how autokinesis works. The appallingly bad quality of their nightscope compounded these effects.The description of the UFOs and their behaviour is also inconsistent with any stars, autokinetic effects or not.
Well, I'm not talking about the objects that may have stayed in the sky with a slow movement consistent with the rotation of the sky, but about, in particular, the object that moved from the southern part of the sky to directly overhead, stopped, shot a beam of some kind down to the feet of the witnesses, then moved away and fired beams down in other locations. To say nothing of the objects doing complicated manoeuvres or the red ball near the farmhouse that entered the forest etc.Not at all. I think I can confidently say that any object which remains in the sky for hours on end, with a slow movement in the same direction as the rotation of the sky, is a celestial body, and not a black project or an alien space craft. It doesn't matter if you think you've seen it move - you haven't - that's how autokinesis works. The appallingly bad quality of their nightscope compounded these effects.
The only objects that do remain motionless in the sky for hours are balloons, and they aren't visible at night.
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I can also confidently rule out any kind of crash or other landing, either at Rendlesham or at Kecksburg. Nothing landed on either occasion anywhere near those two locations. Observers often mistake a distant meteor trajectory or re-entry for something much closer.
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I wish I could also confidently rule out mind control as well. Here's the thing about mind control; we are decades or centuries away from any kind of effective mind control. Anyone who attempts to use drugs. lights, sounds or electronics to control other peoples minds is doomed to failure, given our current understanding of neurotechnology. Unfortunately there are a lot of numskulls out there who have attempted various kinds of mind control, with appalling results, and therefore I can't rule it out.