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There seems to be too much assuming the tail end of a slippery slope is true for there to be real discussion here.
Depopulation has been threatened for 50 years or more. Not working out too well.
Has depopulation been mentioned though? I thought it was restriction of movement that was a concern?
Then again, I may not have been paying attention.
 
It will be monitered by the digital id app on your phone
They might have a problem with that for some people.
This is the model of phone that I sometimes use if I'm out and about and just need simple comms.
Battery lasts about 3 months.
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Has depopulation been mentioned though? I thought it was restriction of movement that was a concern?
Then again, I may not have been paying attention.
One can lead to the other.
Restriction of movement can stop people flitting about, having sex all over the place.
 
One can lead to the other.
Restriction of movement can stop people flitting about, having sex all over the place.
Alternatively, making a city more pedestrian friendly with more local shops and places to go to gives people more of a chance to meet and pair up compared to long distance relationships.
And a walkable city is a more child friendly city.

Personally speaking as a Craftsman encouraging people to stay local would make my hobby more viable as a source of income.
 
They might have a problem with that for some people.
This is the model of phone that I sometimes use if I'm out and about and just need simple comms.
Battery lasts about 3 months.
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Ah... those will no doubt be declared to be bad for the environment/insecure/using an outdated reception band (that will be discontinued) and it probably works with "pay as you go sims" which Gov also want rid of as only "terrorists" would not want to stick their name on a nice leasing contract .
Also as it probably won't work with the new Digital ID app then no pension, or passport or any other state benefits for you. In fact you won't exsist.
Try opening a new claim for say Job Seekers allowance even today without an e-mail address, some form of access to the internet and a photographic form of ID -

Photographic proof of identity​


Examples include your:


  • current passport
  • driving licence
  • biometric residence permit
  • certificate of naturalisation as a British citizen
  • permanent residence permit
This is one of the main drivers for introducing digital ID's as many folk don't have any of the above and you can easily get into a catch 22 situation where to get a driving licence you just need the picture from your passport, which in turn just needs to be got from your driving licence.....
And I'm sure we all have a biometric resident permit - I keep mine in the glove box of my nuclear powered flying car.
Rather ironically it's what's keeping Library's open here in Scotland at least, as they have to supply the computers for the local Employment hub (they have closed the job centres).
I set this one up personally in my previous post doing IT for North Ayrshire - https://www.north-ayrshire.gov.uk/jobs-and-training/employability-hubs.aspx
It's also a sneaky way of moving the funding from Central Government (Dept of Work and Pensions) to Local Government (your council tax).

Edit - oh and keep in with someone in authority - here's the current list of folk who are eligible to sign the back of your Photo for your passport application -
https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories
it will no doubt be similar for Digital ID.
 
Also as it probably won't work with the new Digital ID app then no pension, or passport or any other state benefits for you. In fact you won't exsist.
Try opening a new claim for say Job Seekers allowance even today without an e-mail address, some form of access to the internet and a photographic form of ID -
Indeed. However I am almost at the point where none of it applies to me any longer. I'm cashing out my pensions and selling my house so won't be needing to 'sign on' for benefits any longer.
I don't have a passport.
When the benefits agency wanted to check my long term sickness that exempts me from searching for work they sent me a letter (after 3 months, ffs) to advise me that they would be carrying out a 'video assessment' and to ensure that I had 'checked my equipment' beforehand (quiet at the back).
I told them multiple times that I do not have a webcam or access to a video-messaging app on a phone etc but never got a reply, except for the person at the Job Centre who advised that the only meetings I had scheduled were in person, at the job centre.
On the day that the 'video assessment' was due to happen I got a text message about half an hour after the appointed time telling me to 'copy the attached link into my browser'.
Pointless waste of time.
And I've not heard anything about it since. Seeing as they took 3 months to contact me after first being told about my health condition I'm not holding my breath though.
 
Indeed. However I am almost at the point where none of it applies to me any longer. I'm cashing out my pensions and selling my house so won't be needing to 'sign on' for benefits any longer.
I don't have a passport.
When the benefits agency wanted to check my long term sickness that exempts me from searching for work they sent me a letter (after 3 months, ffs) to advise me that they would be carrying out a 'video assessment' and to ensure that I had 'checked my equipment' beforehand (quiet at the back).
I told them multiple times that I do not have a webcam or access to a video-messaging app on a phone etc but never got a reply, except for the person at the Job Centre who advised that the only meetings I had scheduled were in person, at the job centre.
On the day that the 'video assessment' was due to happen I got a text message about half an hour after the appointed time telling me to 'copy the attached link into my browser'.
Pointless waste of time.
And I've not heard anything about it since. Seeing as they took 3 months to contact me after first being told about my health condition I'm not holding my breath though.
Maybe that is what will save us, ultimately?
Bureaucracy and incompetence.
 
Ah... those will no doubt be declared to be bad for the environment/insecure/using an outdated reception band (that will be discontinued) and it probably works with "pay as you go sims" which Gov also want rid of as only "terrorists" would not want to stick their name on a nice leasing contract .
Also as it probably won't work with the new Digital ID app then no pension, or passport or any other state benefits for you. In fact you won't exsist.
Try opening a new claim for say Job Seekers allowance even today without an e-mail address, some form of access to the internet and a photographic form of ID -

Photographic proof of identity​


Examples include your:


  • current passport
  • driving licence
  • biometric residence permit
  • certificate of naturalisation as a British citizen
  • permanent residence permit
This is one of the main drivers for introducing digital ID's as many folk don't have any of the above and you can easily get into a catch 22 situation where to get a driving licence you just need the picture from your passport, which in turn just needs to be got from your driving licence.....
And I'm sure we all have a biometric resident permit - I keep mine in the glove box of my nuclear powered flying car.
Rather ironically it's what's keeping Library's open here in Scotland at least, as they have to supply the computers for the local Employment hub (they have closed the job centres).
I set this one up personally in my previous post doing IT for North Ayrshire - https://www.north-ayrshire.gov.uk/jobs-and-training/employability-hubs.aspx
It's also a sneaky way of moving the funding from Central Government (Dept of Work and Pensions) to Local Government (your council tax).

Edit - oh and keep in with someone in authority - here's the current list of folk who are eligible to sign the back of your Photo for your passport application -
https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories
it will no doubt be similar for Digital ID.

Librarians used to be on that list. What does "can't be a doctor unless they state that they know you", mean? (OK a proctologist may be a problem) So a Doctor can't sign but a local government officer (a dustman who doesn't know you) can?
 
Librarians used to be on that list. What does "can't be a doctor unless they state that they know you", mean? (OK a proctologist may be a problem) So a Doctor can't sign but a local government officer (a dustman who doesn't know you) can?
Doctors used to be on the list, but they would often charge.
I reckon they asked to be taken off the list.
 
Librarians used to be on that list. What does "can't be a doctor unless they state that they know you", mean? (OK a proctologist may be a problem) So a Doctor can't sign but a local government officer (a dustman who doesn't know you) can?
The In-House GP has a vast number of patients on 'his' list. He has no contact with most of them because they are healthy individuals. So it would be daft to ask him to countersign the photo of someone he's never met...
 
The In-House GP has a vast number of patients on 'his' list. He has no contact with most of them because they are healthy individuals. So it would be daft to ask him to countersign the photo of someone he's never met...
But suely the site implies that the others listed don't have to know the person.....or am I misunderstanding it?
 
The last time I saw a GP was a year or two before the first COVID lockdown began. The GP I mostly saw has moved to another practice anyway.
 
There are some pretty disreputable people on that full list of countersigners.
 
But suely the site implies that the others listed don't have to know the person.....or am I misunderstanding it?
I think that the person given the privilege of signing to verify others will only sign if there is sufficient evidence that the person is who they say they are.

I think that when I got my passport several years ago that there was a list of people you could have sign to verify that you are you. I think that this included my brother because he was a passport holder who'd had his passport for a number of years and he's known me longer than 10 years.

The person signing doesn't really want to sign without good verification as there are legal repercussions that will infringe on their professional reputation. You will always have people who are not on the up and up, but the majority of people don't take it lightly.
 
Even if the signer is deemed to be a person of sufficient standing to be able to sign, don't they also have to have known the, er, signee for at least two years?

I think that this included my brother because he was a passport holder who'd had his passport for a number of years and he's known me longer than 10 years.
In the UK you can't countersign for a relative, regardless of your standing.
 
I, like many thousands of other Brits, recently made an effort to get my national insurance payments up to date (there's a significant deadline coming up). Rather than endure another 50-60min wait on hold, I used the government 'gateway' and was simultaneously impressed and slightly horrified (get used to this feeling) by how (well) it worked.

I downloaded an app, took a 'selfie', placed my phone (with card-reader mode enabled) on top of my closed passport. The app then compared the biometric data it gleaned from my picture with that stored on the chip in my passport to verify my identity at a distance of 5,500 miles from London. This then logged me into my newly minted 'gateway' account and revealed the details of a lifetime of payments with a forecast for my pension.

This is how we'll be controlled--it won't be traffic restrictions!

The voluntary almost invariably becomes compulsory: no phone, no passport, no money = no petrol, no food, no bank account etc.
 
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I, like many thousands of other Brits, recently went made an effort to get my national insurance payments up to date (there's a significant deadline coming up). Rather than endure another 50-60min wait on hold, I used the government 'gateway' and was simultaneously impressed and slightly horrified (get used to this feeling) by how (well) it worked.

I downloaded an app, took a 'selfie', placed my phone (with card-reader mode enabled) on top of my closed passport. The app then compared the biometric data it gleaned from my picture with that stored on the chip in my passport to verify my identity at a distance of 5,500 miles from London. This then logged me into my newly minted 'gateway' account and revealed the details of a lifetime payments with a forecast for my pension.

This is how we'll be controlled--it won't be traffic restrictions!

The voluntary almost invariably becomes compulsory: no phone, no passport, no money = no petrol, no food, no bank account etc.

l would imagine that the UK government is already working on how it could rebadge Communist China’s Social Credit System.

maximus otter
 
For a signature on my passport photo I asked the local copper to do it. Back then, even small villages in the middle of nowhere had a bobby. Even though he spent many years chasing me around, he didn't seem to mind.
 
I fear this thread has diverted away, somewhat, from the point......
The 15 minute city isn't about making things easier for people by ensuring everything is available within a certain radius - clearly that would be impossible.
No. It's about limiting peoples ability to travel freely by introducing restrictions on how often, and how far, and by what means, a person can travel.
The reasons for wanting to limit peoples freedom to travel can only be speculated upon, but I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately it is about 'revenue generation'.
A set of penalty fines and/or taxes, charges etc for exceeding a set amount of travel, or leaving/entering a defined area seem probable.
I wouldn't think it likely there is anything more to it than that.
 
but I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately it is about 'revenue generation'.
A set of penalty fines and/or taxes, charges etc for exceeding a set amount of travel, or leaving/entering a defined area seem probable.
I wouldn't think it likely there is anything more to it than that.
^this^ the governments of the world are trying to address the large issue of climate change. They are saying that making the user pay rather than the big companies to pay and change their ways is the way to go. With lobbying groups and their money, the lonely citizen cannot win. We lost when "companies" received the definition of "person" in law.

This tactic also does not affect the billionaires of the world who own their personal planes, which also affects the climate. They too have enough money to sway any policy makings.
 
^this^ the governments of the world are trying to address the large issue of climate change. They are saying that making the user pay rather than the big companies to pay and change their ways is the way to go. With lobbying groups and their money, the lonely citizen cannot win. We lost when "companies" received the definition of "person" in law.

This tactic also does not affect the billionaires of the world who own their personal planes, which also affects the climate. They too have enough money to sway any policy makings.
I'm a touch more cynical - I don't think the governments of the world have any intention of addressing climate change - only in giving the appearance of doing so.
It's just an excuse to raise revenue and have more control .
 
I'm a touch more cynical - I don't think the governments of the world have any intention of addressing climate change - only in giving the appearance of doing so.
It's just an excuse to raise revenue and have more control .
They will not have a choice. It is only the question of how and when. And everybody must be paid (off).
 
The 15 minute city isn't about making things easier for people by ensuring everything is available within a certain radius - clearly that would be impossible.
No. It's about limiting peoples ability to travel freely by introducing restrictions on how often, and how far, and by what means, a person can travel.
The reasons for wanting to limit peoples freedom to travel can only be speculated upon, but I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately it is about 'revenue generation'.
That isn't right. The reason we need to impose congestion charges on motor cars is that we simply can't allow vast numbers of motor vehicles into the centre of our medieval cities. Places like York where I live, Oxford, and London just can't accept the free movement of cars in their tiny road systems. If these congestion charges and traffic control measures also act to generate money, that is good; it is a way of turning the environmental impact of motor vehicle transport into something we can measure and incorporate it into the cost benefit analysis. Driving a motor vehicle causes disruption, pollution and leads to the destruction of inner city environments, as well as a wide range of other effects elsewhere in the countryside and the environment as a whole.

People who demand the freedom to drive anywhere are really demanding the freedom to make life intolerable for a wide range of other inhabitants of our crowded little island. I've done the 'commuting to work for more than an hour each way' bit myself; we should try our damnedest to make that a thing of the past.
 
I've done the 'commuting to work for more than an hour each way' bit myself; we should try our damnedest to make that a thing of the past.
I agree... but how?
Some of us do specialist jobs and can't find a job within a 15 minute radius of where we live. And are unable to move closer to where we work.
 
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