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Did the Pig-Man of Cannock Chase exist before Lee’s book?
Certainly Nick Redfern did not refer to the Pig-Man in any of his books that featured Cannock Chase and which were published before those of Brickley. Nick at the time was local to the area and put a lot of work into researching the Man-Monkey from that region:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MAN-MONKEY-British-Bigfoot-Nick-Redfern/dp/1905723164/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2QH1ZRPLNAYLP&keywords=man+monkey+redfern&qid=1667648883&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjc5IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ==&sprefix=man+monkey+redfern+,aps,77&sr=8-1

Then he followed it up with Cannock Chase weirdness in:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Theres-Something-Woods-Nick-Redfern/dp/1933665327

....and other books from that time period. He also is/was an active member of the CFZ and they haven't ever mentioned it either:

https://cfz.org.uk
 
Certainly Nick Redfern did not refer to the Pig-Man in any of his books that featured Cannock Chase and which were published before those of Brickley. Nick at the time was local to the area and put a lot of work into researching the Man-Monkey from that region:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MAN-MONKEY-British-Bigfoot-Nick-Redfern/dp/1905723164/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2QH1ZRPLNAYLP&keywords=man+monkey+redfern&qid=1667648883&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjc5IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ==&sprefix=man+monkey+redfern+,aps,77&sr=8-1

Then he followed it up with Cannock Chase weirdness in:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Theres-Something-Woods-Nick-Redfern/dp/1933665327

....and other books from that time period. He also is/was an active member of the CFZ and they haven't ever mentioned it either:

https://cfz.org.uk
How interesting!

Yeah I’ve read Nick’s books on the area having grown up around there too. Never heard about the Pig-Man outside Lee’s book. Hmmm….
 
Just discovered an excellent video discussion about the ranch and some of the findings, taking in US intelligence interest in the topic and with references to UFOs, cattle mutilations, and sightings of bizarre creatures. No reference to the more recent TV series and concentrating on the hitchhiker phenomenon and its connection with a variety of phenomena:

 
I read the book i remain unconvinced, lots of hyperbole not much hard evidence and proof
 
There have several information things over the years about Skinwalker Ranch, but in the U.S. there is TV series produced by Brandon Fugal.

I don’t know if this TV show is shown outside the U.S.

I think Brandon has filmed some very unusual things on the ranch.
 
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There have several information things over the years about Skinwalker Ranch, but in the U.S. there is TV series produced by Brandon Fugal.

I don’t know if this TV show is shown outside the U.S.

I think Brandon has filmed some very unusual things on the ranch.
Yes, it is screened in the UK, although it's always screened a few months after the US shows it. It is a first rate programme, with extraordinary incidents happening in every episode. Travis Taylor, a top physicist and (it turned out later) the guy who wrote the famous official assessment of UFOs following the TicTac incidents, is the chief scientist and has been driving the investigation -- the many findings so far (off the top of my head) are dramatic changes in local magnetic and electrical fields, including dangerous levels of microwaves, bizarre light phenomena from the mesa that lies north of the ranch, UFOs, cattle mutilation associated with a UFO, the presence of a powerful source of radiation a mile over the ranch, dangerous effects on personnel including sickness, dizziness, in one case the separation of one person's scalp from his skull, cold spots, evidence of unusual metals under the mesa, and time, space, and perceptual distortions. All attempts to send sensor-filled rockets up to the 1 mile high phenomenon have failed spectacularly. "Very unusual" expresses it mildly!
 
I agree, this Fugal production is first rate.

After Fugal bought the ranch from Bigelow, he visited the mesa with his staff and they was shocked that a 50 foot silver disc was over the mesa.

Fugal said it was not an ambiguous thing in the sky, but it was right there in front of me.
 
There seems to be something under there, metallic traces collected, too hard to drill through -- at least that's how the last series ended.
I haven't watched it and have become rather cynical about the monetisatian of this ranch, however if you feel there is something to this then I am interested, so will have a look into it
 
I haven't watched it and have become rather cynical about the monetisatian of this ranch, however if you feel there is something to this then I am interested, so will have a look into it
There's definitely something there, but the trouble is that whatever they try to do the "something" is always one step ahead. To me the most interesting events are those involving time and space distortions, which happen whenever they try to probe whatever is a mile above the ranch. On one attempt, Travis (in a helicopter) was trying to drop probes directly through the anomaly, but when the probe data were analysed it seemed he was nowhere near that point, and the few probes that were tracked, instead of falling straight down, came down in a spiral, and one was allegedly plotted going underground. Travis himself received early on in the series a massive dose of microwave radiation and it took him a while to recover. The strangest experiment involved a Jewish guy chanting an ancient prayer which led to bizarre localised temperature changes. The same reults were obtained when playing a recording of the prayer. I think most of the episodes are available on DVD if you want to catch up.
 
Maybe this is what the coming new season is about.

When the last season ended, the program really gave the viewer the impression that there is a UFO buried in the mesa.

I personally would buy as much explosives as possible and blow up that mesa for a real quick answer !
 
Travis Taylor is not a reliable witness; if he is a PhD why doesn't he write up and publish some of his results? Nothing at the Skinwalker Ranch is anomalous, except the gullibility of its audience.
Well, it seems that, on film at least, they did show ~ shall we call it, 'a sky visitor,' that appeared in view and on site on a number of occasions. So I suppose you could say that on film at least, it proves to be a reliable witness to what took place - regardless of what (Dr) Travis' PhD credentials are, it was fascinating to watch when the evidence appears on film and in situ, and also backed-up by the surrounding group that bore witness to it all.
I have found this reliable quote online though. . . [he does have a PhD in 'optical science and engineering' (1999)]
As he is/was also an author, I expect he will at some point publish his summaries of his research results?
 
Is this it?
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I'm sorry, that looks like a bird to me, flying in a particularly strong wind. The wind was quite strong that day, as the weather records indicate.

There does appear to be a halo of some sort around the bird, but if you watch to the end of the clip you can see that a similar, and very strong, 'halo' that appears around the rocky bluff at the bottom of the picture. This indicates that the 'halo' is an artefact of the sharpening and enhancement process that the mpeg clip has been subjected to.

Since Travis has a PhD in optical science, he should know this, so I can only imagine he is deliberately obscuring the real nature of this data, or ignoring the reality for some perceived alternate explanation which is not in accordance with the facts.
 
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Some interesting points made. To my mind the anomalous activity took place when the original family owned the ranch and seemed more than a little poltergeist in nature. Once Bigelow moved in it seems nothing much happened on a similar scale, as evidenced by the documentary:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8399718/

... that mostly dwelt on past events and offered very little new evidence. That a billionaire bought the ranch and conducted such a large scale experiment is worthy of note, but what actual results were there...? .
 
Some interesting points made. To my mind the anomalous activity took place when the original family owned the ranch and seemed more than a little poltergeist in nature. Once Bigelow moved in it seems nothing much happened on a similar scale, as evidenced by the documentary:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8399718/

... that mostly dwelt on past events and offered very little new evidence. That a billionaire bought the ranch and conducted such a large scale experiment is worthy of note, but what actual results were there...? .
It seems clear that very few people have followed the entire series of TV programmes so I have to say that many of these critical comments are insanely wide of the mark. Anyone who has any doubts about Taylor's qualifications and his career might care to view his Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_S._Taylor

The one UFO video that drew criticism is but one of multiple sightings over the ranch, and obviously each should be assessed on its merits. Interestingly, almost all the team's failed efforts to penetrate the airspace 1 mile up have led to fleeting UFO sightings.
 
Have any of these other fleeting UFO reports been filmed? If not, what the bleep are they doing ?
 
That a cow, not a fly--and there are clearly two of them.

And any fool could tell you that the other one is a tree...

Some people are nuts.

Edit: what the hell is the cow on the left doing to the one on the right?
 
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At no point have I doubted Taylor's qualifications. What I do doubt, profoundly, is his application of those skills, and his motives.


Here's another Skinwalker UFO; almost certainly a fly.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/black-ufo-at-skinwalker-ranch-a-fly.11271/
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The UFO -- classical discoid shape, certainly not a fly! -- appeared directly above the cow, which appeared to respond to it, shortly before it died from unknown causes.

Based on what has been filmed on the ranch, I would rate Travis as one of the best scientists I've ever seen. He's not afraid to risk his considerable reputation by studying weird phenomena, nor does he retreat from risking his own life in some very disturbing situations. He's what a proper scientist should be, but all too often they aren't. His thinking is direct and to the point and he will use the simplest and most direct approach to his investigations. As for the reality of the phenomena on the ranch, there is no doubt about that either. They've not just been filmed but been detected by trifield meters and other devices. There have been local magnetic field changes on an epic scale, huge levels of microwaves, insane variations in temperature over a small area, even what we would call glitches (although they don't use that term). It's 100% genuine.
 
Of course it is a fly. Taylor is an idiot if he thinks it is paranormal, but I do not believe he does.
 
But assuming it is not a fly, but instead a 'discoid' UAP at the same distance as the cow, then (adjusting for the frame rate of the camera) then the object would be the same size as a bird, and travelling over the cow at a speed of 340 miles per hour. Cows don't have very good eyesight, so I doubt that the dying animal would be able to even see the object at that speed, so would be unlikely to 'react' to it.

If, on the other hand, it is a fly (which it is), it would be travelling at a sedate 7 miles per hour. Since Travis has a PhD in optical science, he should know this, so I can only imagine he is deliberately obscuring the real nature of this data, or ignoring the reality for some perceived alternate explanation which is not in accordance with the facts.
 
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They've not just been filmed but been detected by trifield meters and other devices. There have been local magnetic field changes on an epic scale, huge levels of microwaves, insane variations in temperature over a small area, even what we would call glitches (although they don't use that term). It's 100% genuine.
I don't think this is the case. Here is Taylor detecting a magnetic anomaly using an iPhone compass and a conventional compass.
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He is holding the compass between the rails of a bulky metallic fence; this should and would deflect the compasses significantly, even at some distance; but this elementary explanation is not mentioned. Since Taylor has a MS in physics, as well as a PhD in optical science, he should know this, so I can only imagine he is deliberately obscuring the real nature of this data, or ignoring the reality for some perceived alternate explanation which is not in accordance with the facts.
 
Another source of radio frequencies that could account for the 'anomalous' results they are detecting is the television sound and video equipment. No matter how much disturbing radiation they detect, their cameras and radio mikes continue to work. Additionally, the ranch itself seems to have several wi-fi transmitters dotted around, presumably to boost the signal; here's one.
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Just about every member of the crew also has a mobile phone in their pocket, and the transmissions from these devices can be detected using a trifield meter.
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Since Taylor has an MS in physics and a PhD in optical science, he should know this, so I can only imagine he is deliberately obscuring the real nature of this data, or ignoring the reality for some perceived alternate explanation which is not in accordance with the facts.
 
If, on the other hand, it is a fly (which it is), it would be travelling at a sedate 7 miles per hour. Since Travis has a PhD in optical science, he should know this, so I can only imagine he is deliberately obscuring the real nature of this data, or ignoring the reality for some perceived alternate explanation which is not in accordance with the facts.
Money?
 
Perhaps it is an honestly-held alternate vision of reality. Whether that is true or not, it is a lucrative one. And entertaining, if you like that sort of thing.
 
But assuming it is not a fly, but instead a 'discoid' UAP at the same distance as the cow, then (adjusting for the frame rate of the camera) then the object would be the same size as a bird, and travelling over the cow at a speed of 340 miles per hour. Cows don't have very good eyesight, so I doubt that the dying animal would be able to even see the object at that speed, so would be unlikely to 'react' to it.

If, on the other hand, it is a fly (which it is), it would be travelling at a sedate 7 miles per hour. Since Travis has a PhD in optical science, he should know this, so I can only imagine he is deliberately obscuring the real nature of this data, or ignoring the reality for some perceived alternate explanation which is not in accordance with the facts.
Travis doesn't make final decisions in such circumstances, the team has a specialist in sensor and video technology, and he spent some time analysing the footage. His decision was, and I think he was correct, that it is not a fly. As for the cow's reaction, it may not have been that it saw the object but sensed it in some way. It is only one of multiple events on the ranch. Taking one instance of activity in isolation from the other phenomena is unwise. Here's another example. A local amateur astronomy group with extremely sophisticated gear was asked to study the mysterious area a mile up, to see whether the stars in that area of the sky showed any distortion (i.e. showing that some cloaking device was in operation). Their telescopes were all equipped with the latest very expensive software, comprising comprehensive star maps, so it should have been an easy job. In fact, none of them could do it because their star map programs were immediately immobilised and apparently lost all the location data. They were not pleased (I imagine they were compensated for the damage by the TV company!). Another example of dimensional shifting -- as I mentioned Travis went up in a helicopter to drop sensors through the mystery area, and most of them vanished and the ones that were recovered had bizarre data. But the strangest feature was that Travis was sighting straight down and dropping the packages directly above the mystery area (known as the triangle), but when the data were analysed they showed the helicopter hundreds of meters away from the triangle and actually above the mesa. (Other attempts to use helicopters or small aircraft also failed in weird ways.) I'm not going to keep describing the hundreds of weird things that go on there -- if you are interested, get the DVDs, then see how much you can explain!
 
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