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Jordan Peterson

I appreciate the replies but they don't really clear up my questions. It sounds like he's a conservative traditionalist who simply doesn't agree with the more modern liberal approach to these issues. Is that basically correct?
 
dr wu said:
I appreciate the replies but they don't really clear up my questions. It sounds like he's a conservative traditionalist who simply doesn't agree with the more modern liberal approach to these issues. Is that basically correct?
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It's a bit more complicated than that!

It can't be wrapped up in a few sentences.

To get the flavour of JP and the views of board members who have contributed to the debate you really shoulds read the Thread from the beginning. It's only five pages.
 
ramonmercado said:
It's a bit more complicated than that!

It can't be wrapped up in a few sentences.

To get the flavour of JP and the views of board members who have contributed to the debate you really shoulds read the Thread from the beginning. It's only five pages.
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Er..I have...as a matter of fact I posted on the first few pages if you want to look.....I even posted a Wiki link...but after 5 pages it seems that peoples opinions are all over the place on this guy. From what I can glean he seems to be against any 'liberal ideologies' , is conservative mostly, supports male hegemony, but complains when someone calls him a rightie.
;)
 
dr wu said:
Er..I have...as a matter of fact I posted on the first few pages if you want to look.....I even posted a Wiki link...but after 5 pages it seems that peoples opinions are all over the place on this guy. From what I can glean he seems to be against any 'liberal ideologies' , is conservative mostly, supports male hegemony, but complains when someone calls him a rightie.
;)
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I thought you might be suffering from amnesia!
 
Ramonmercado,

Agreed,

Dr wu, you really do need to watch some of his stuff on YouTube to get a feeling of what he is about. It is quite deep.

He often takes biblical quotes, and interprets them in a modern context. Not in any offensive way, but using them as they were probably intended, as morality guides. But his understanding of the human condition is amazing.

Avoid his more recent stuff where he has to defend himslf against invited people who are just there to try and shoot him down. You can get to that later. His lectures at universities are more easily assimilated.
 
I find it amazing that no one here can sum up this guys 'basic stance' in a few sentences.
btw...not asking for his whole pantheon of ideas.
;)
 
ramonmercado said:
I looked back on the thread and these were my views in December 2018, think I'll stick with them.

I admire Petersen in so far as he takes on the intersectionals and the crazed PC mob. I say that as a Bisexual Socialist and Anti-Fascist.

I don't necessarily agree with his socio-economic politics though. Some of his political vids have been posted here as if they were an extension of his fight against the loons, they're not. He has centre-right views on a range of economic matters and his views on women and the family are at best old-fashioned and allow his critics cover to misrepresent his positions on academic independence.

So I'll defend him in the good fight against censorship in academia, the media and the arts but criticise his broader politics.
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I listen to him often - and some of what he says about family differs/clashes with my own life experience. I don’t agree with everything. But I won’t criticise him for having a different experience and opinion to mine.

He draws from his own life experience and countless clients he’s listened to in his years as a Clinical Psychologist.

For me, it’s having to consider his encouragement to “do better” that I might be misguided, and reflecting on my own ingrained mental (and physical) habits and behaviors that make his work so interesting and valuable.
 
He does dig right down into the 'why we do things' and why it is not a good idea to do so.

And if he is making people feel a bit guilty about the way they are handling life, then maybe it is a good thing.

My own procrastination would be a good example.
 
dr wu said:
I find it amazing that no one here can sum up this guys 'basic stance' in a few sentences.
btw...not asking for his whole pantheon of ideas.
;)
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Maybe it's not that simple?
 
Maybe he’s a covert Nazi that gets away with it by not saying anything or leaving any evidence that would suggest he is.
Cunning !
The Cambridge students used this very line of thinking to get his residency rescinded.
 
Apparently a very qualified psychobabbler though.

Bear in mind that right and left wing doesn't appear to mean the same in the UK as it does in the USA.
 
Amoradala said:
Maybe he’s a covert Nazi that gets away with it by not saying anything or leaving any evidence that would suggest he is.
Cunning !
The Cambridge students used this very line of thinking to get his residency rescinded.
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Don't forget that many Cambridge students are educated far beyond their intelligence.
 
Amoradala said:
Maybe he’s a covert Nazi that gets away with it by not saying anything or leaving any evidence that would suggest he is.
Cunning !
The Cambridge students used this very line of thinking to get his residency rescinded.
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Clearly they are telepathic and know what he really thinks.
 
This photo below was used in the twitter feed linked to the Cambridge announcement of the rescinded residency.
It is being used now by Cambridge students to prove Peterson’s right wing leanings.

In 2017 the website 4chan asked its readers to pose with celebrities holding a picture of a cartoon frog.
Peterson was happy to pose, thinking it was a self deprecating joke ( some have compared his voice to Kermit the Frog )

4Chan then contacted news outlets telling them that the frog cartoon was an ‘underground’ right wing symbol.

And the gullible press ran with the story - causing outrage and condemnation amongst the far left.
4Chan admit the hoax.
However the far left still remain convinced that it illustrates Peterson’s hidden far right sympathies.
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I notice the old guy on the right appears to be Jewish, so they can't have considered him very far right at the time.
 
New Zealand has gone off the deep end after the terror attacks. A major book store chain has banned his book "12 Rules for Life".
Being photographed with a person wearing a T-shirt with the text "I'm a proud Islamaphobe", probably didn't help him.
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Whitcoulls pulls Jordan Peterson's '12 Rules for Life' following Christchurch attacks
22 Mar, 2019 6:40am

Major book seller Whitcoulls has pulled a Jordan Peterson book off its shelves following the Christchurch Mosque attacks.

The controversial celebrity psychologist toured New Zealand in February, weeks before 50 people were killed and injured dozens injured in terrorist attacks at two mosques in Christchurch.

During his tour Peterson was photographed with a fan wearing a T-shirt that read: "I'm a proud Islamaphobe", along with other derogatory comments about Muslims.
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215124
 
Guess I should buy that book before it gets banned.
 
Yeah, i guess the photo was taken when each from a queue of lecture attendees each have three seconds to stand next to him for a photo opportunity.

Peterson may not have read the shirt before the pose.

Then again, why would Jordan or his assistants refuse to pose with or censor someone who is expressing their own views.

Refusal to hear and debate a viewpoint and wish for censorship and invisibility, has caused the terrible Cambridge decision.

Tolerance is the ability to understand and accept that someone else has a sovereign right to their own opinion,
even if it is different to their own.

Worse is when they try to stop others from hearing others opinions that are different to their own.
 
It is similar to the Satanic Verses controversy. Many who ware howling for the authors head hadn't even read it.

I would suggest everyone get a copy of 12 Rules. Get it through your library if you don't want to buy it.

After all, if you haven't read it, you can't fairly comment.

And start reading at chapter two. It give a better introduction to his background and thought processes. Then go back and read chapter one.

INT21
 
Not really, Mr Peterson is not at fear of his life from religious fanatics. He's just the latest flavour of the month, and will be relegated to the status of Supernature, How to Be a Wally and How to Win Friends and Influence People by and by.
 
Have you read him ?

Also, if you recall, 'How to win friends and influence people' was really about manipulation.
 
INT21 said:
It is similar to the Satanic Verses controversy. Many who ware howling for the authors head hadn't even read it.

I would suggest everyone get a copy of 12 Rules. Get it through your library if you don't want to buy it.

After all, if you haven't read it, you can't fairly comment.

And start reading at chapter two. It give a better introduction to his background and thought processes. Then go back and read chapter one.

INT21
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At least there isn't a bounty on JP's head and mobs aren't burning buildings!
 
Ramonmercado,

Not yet. But I understand he does get threatening mail.

GNC,

My point was that many of the people denigrating Peterson are just jumping on the bandwagon. They haven't read his works. The written work does come across as less 'intense' than his stage appearances.

The proper way is to quote from his work and debate what is wrong with it.
 
It would indeed take a long time.

Possibly a compromise would be to select one particular aspect and debate his conclusion with reference to it.

Unless all the participants in the debate had the book in question I can't quite see how we could do it.
 
I read his Wiki page again......he says he's a 'classical liberal' (though others call him conservative or traditional), but I'm not sure what classical liberal means. At any rate I didn't read anything there that is overly worrisome. It seems like the 'left' and 'politically correct crowd' want to villify him because he doesn't believe the same things they do. I'm not defending Petersen btw...but it seems like 'much ado about nothing'.
 
Amoradala said:
4Chan then contacted news outlets telling them that the frog cartoon was an ‘underground’ right wing symbol.
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Pepe had been used as a underground right wing symbol for at least two years before this photo was taken.

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(2015 meme)

dr wu said:
he says he's a 'classical liberal' (though others call him conservative or traditional), but I'm not sure what classical liberal means.
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At this point in time it seems to mean 'I'm not comfortable with admitting publicly how far right my views go'. See also 'traditionalist'.
 
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