1995 Alien Autopsy Film

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Sheep organs, a London flat and a Doctor Who sculptor: The truth behind the 1995 alien autopsy film Sheep organs, a London flat and a Doctor Who sculptor: The truth behind the 1995 alien autopsy film
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Very old news surely?

I recall being at one of the press showings and sensing instantly that what I was watching was not film at all but 'field-dropped' video; a cheap effect. I wasn't the only broadcast technician to voice that opinion either as I recall!

I also happen to have 'cornered' Bob Shell - Ray Santilli's cited expert - on a Compuserve forum round abut the time it was shown on British TV; wherein I ripped his 'forensic' analysis of the 'film' apart as being no-such thing. Those with a technical background will understand the difficulty in transferring film to PAL video, transcoding that to NTSC and then attempting to make any kind of forensic analysis of the original film from that! - Yet this is just exactly what Bob Shell had done! - In fact, it emerged poor Bob was unaware of the technical issues!

Oddly enough, after my ripping the 'persistence' out of him in public he graciously sent me a delightful Christmas card that year along with warm wishes for to the family. - A few years later he was banged up for killing a young girl in a bizarre fetish-photography scenario... He's probably still in jail AFAIK. - Truly a man of strange contrasts!

Ray Santilli - the real face behind it all - is a nice bloke... bit of a cheekie chappie, little bit wee, little bit woo, hard to pin down etc. T'was all a great jolly jape IMHO. 'Specially when they got Ant and Dec involved! - But really, that was it!

This horse is dead and surely beyond any and all flogging now though?
 
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Very old news surely?

I recall being at one of the press showings and sensing instantly that what I was watching was not film at all but 'field-dropped' video; a cheap effect. I wasn't the only broadcast technician to voice that opinion either as I recall!

I also happen to have 'cornered' Bob Shell - Ray Santilli's cited expert - on a Compuserve forum round abut the time it was shown on British TV; wherein I ripped his 'forensic' analysis of the 'film' apart as being no-such thing. Those with a technical background will understand the difficulty in transferring film to PAL video, transcoding that to NTSC and then attempting to make any kind of forensic analysis of the original film from that! - Yet this is just exactly what Bob Shell had done! - In fact, it emerged poor Bob was unaware of the technical issues!

Oddly enough, after my ripping the 'persistence' out of him in public he graciously sent me a delightful Christmas card that year along with warm wishes for to the family. - A few years later he was banged up for killing a young girl in a bizarre fetish-photography scenario... He's probably still in jail AFAIK. - Truly a man of strange contrasts!

Ray Santilli - the real face behind it all - is a nice bloke... bit of a cheekie chappie, little bit wee, little bit woo, hard to pin down etc. T'was all a great jolly jape IMHO. 'Specially when they got Ant and Dec involved! - But really, that was it!

This horse is dead and surely beyond any and all flogging now though?
Jesus Christ Old Master Q, your life's events are even weirder than mine ! .. please continue posting Sir, that's an anecdote and a half ..
 

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Jesus Christ Old Master Q, your life's events are even weirder than mine ! .. please continue posting Sir, that's an anecdote and a half ..
Is it?? I happen to work in TV, that's all. What can I say? Plumbers find strange things in drains. :) No big deal. I was reading in a post earlier about a Signalman who's phone started levitating - now that's weird!
 

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Is it?? I happen to work in TV, that's all. What can I say? Plumbers find strange things in drains. :) No big deal. I was reading in a post earlier about a Signalman who's phone started levitating - now that's weird!
I can count the perverts I've met on one hand .. no bad taste 'wanking' joke intended btw ..

The kid I went to school with who went to prison for paying to download child porn .. all communications severed.

Someone else I went to school with who years later pretended he didn't realise until the last moment that he was getting sucked off by an underage girl in India .. again, all communications severed.

The bogus doctor we were warned about back when I worked for the NHS on wards .. I caught him .. he was arrested.

The Nonce who tried to abduct a kid on my watch at the school I worked at on a Sunday (with help from a co worker) .. got rid of him.

None of these stories are fun ... there are indeed a lot of sick bastards about.
 
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I really enjoyed the Ant and Dec film, although I seemed to be part of a tiny victimised minority ;) Hopefully it will eventually earn some kind of cult status, like Withnail & I - which I think received a lukewarm reception on its initial release.
 

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I really enjoyed the Ant and Dec film, although I seemed to be part of a tiny victimised minority ;) Hopefully it will eventually earn some kind of cult status, like Withnail & I - which I think received a lukewarm reception on its initial release.
I enjoyed the film too... It kind of 'sits' in a particular place in the history of the caper; but I think that was Santilli dropping what, thanks to Shell's antics, could have become a very hot potato. I really think that had to be the Swansong. And what was a jolly jape is forever pretty tainted by its association with Shell.

I can count the perverts I've met on one hand
They're about sadly, and in depressing numbers. :-( My original training is in news, and I've had the misfortune to encounter quite a few very nasty ones in my time. - Shell though; I don't think anyone - least of all Santilli - had a clue back in '94 what would or might unravel a decade later. Shell's books are of a technical/geek nature... He was mainly known as the editor of a small American magazine called "Shutterbug"; obscure outside the U.S. I never actually met him, but spoke to him on the phone a couple of times and communicated by email; he gave me the impression he was a landscape photographer!

Bear in mind that Shell was a man of 56 when Marion Franklin died... She was just 19; and when you read of her background and upbringing it's difficult to see how that 'relationship' could have been anything other than utterly abusive.

In some ways Santilli played a blinder when he got Shell to provide the analysis of the 'film'. ...He was never a motion picture expert; but a stills technician. And clearly clueless when it came to video technology, but had a 'name' that would stand up to the then superficial scrutiny that would have been applied at the time. Enough of a background to act as a credible bluff in other words. - I bet though, if Ray had known what he was really like, he'd have had the office chair he sat on sprayed down with DDT and burned.
 
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Re. the Santilli film and the AntDec cinematic semi-fiction it is true that the slightly sleazy nature of the affair, whilst admitted, is neatly glossed over with the duo's cheeky chappie charm.
 

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Re. the Santilli film and the AntDec cinematic semi-fiction it is true that the slightly sleazy nature of the affair, whilst admitted, is neatly glossed over with the duo's cheeky chappie charm.
Of course it is... The whole caper was and is inherently 'Barnmesque' and in that sense inescapably sleazy in a funny/cheesy sort of way; the team involved were all relatively young at the time and in most ways that mater it was a good publicity rag. But there's sleaze and there's sleaze. ...If Ray wasn't making films he'd be flogging £50 Rolexes at the local flea market; you kind of know where you are with him I think. He's just a geezer.

Shell? What sort of animal takes advantage of a vulnerable damaged girl 37 years his junior? - Even if he hadn't actually killed her; who goes there? That's beyond sleaze, beneath any depths.
 
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Sure; he was an opportunist of a fairly low-rent kind. I was barely aware of the real-life business with Bob Shell and the girl. Sounds distinctly nasty.
 

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...It's all very sad.

http://www.zen71560.zen.co.uk/_photoweek/2007/10/who-was-marion-franklin.html

Maybe Ray and/or members of his team, now that they're mature, experienced people, would be better to explore the mistake they made in hiring Shell? Perhaps pay some sort of tribute to Marion Franklin? Possibly even, as a theme, examine how what starts off as a jape can have such tragic echoes? - Sort of lie down with dogs and you get up with fleas kind of thing?
 

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...It's all very sad.

http://www.zen71560.zen.co.uk/_photoweek/2007/10/who-was-marion-franklin.html

Maybe Ray and/or members of his team, now that they're mature, experienced people, would be better to explore the mistake they made in hiring Shell? Perhaps pay some sort of tribute to Marion Franklin? Possibly even, as a theme, examine how what starts off as a jape can have such tragic echoes? - Sort of lie down with dogs and you get up with fleas kind of thing?
I know a chap called Andreas Yesimi, part business owner at Constantia Restaurant in East Runton, a Greek restaurant run by the whole family including his Mum .. Andreas, at heart, is an artist creative type ... he started a modelling agency and would regularly meet young ladies at a hotel I worked at (only ever in the bar, never in a hotel room type thing) .. my manager at the time was suspicious of his motives and was thinking 'sleazy old man' thoughts about him ... but nope, he was happily married, never flirted with any of these young ladies and was sincerely only interested in glamour photography .. his portfolio never went anywhere near semi dressed, he was and still is a respectable married family man and is now our town councillor doing excellent work .. the point I'm trying to make is that perhaps Shell is innocent and perhaps people's preconceived ideas (old man + young girl + photographs) have condemned Shell ?.
 

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I know a chap called Andreas Yesimi, part business owner at Constantia Restaurant in East Runton, a Greek restaurant run by the whole family including his Mum .. Andreas, at heart, is an artist creative type ... he started a modelling agency and would regularly meet young ladies at a hotel I worked at (only ever in the bar, never in a hotel room type thing) .. my manager at the time was suspicious of his motives and was thinking 'sleazy old man' thoughts about him ... but nope, he was happily married, never flirted with any of these young ladies and was sincerely only interested in glamour photography .. his portfolio never went anywhere near semi dressed, he was and still is a respectable married family man and is now our town councillor doing excellent work .. the point I'm trying to make is that perhaps Shell is innocent and perhaps people's preconceived ideas (old man + young girl + photographs) have condemned Shell ?.

Back in the mid-90s, when I corresponded and even spoke once or twice on the phone to Shell, he gave the impression of being a very 'settled' married man with an interest in photo technology and landscape work. I actually felt 'bad' at having 'torn down' his analysis of the AA footage so harshly and so publicly; but he seemed unphased by this. Took it on the chin, and was most gracious. - He can come across as quite plausible.

But I think Shells' own account, presented in rather lame defence of his actions - and even the superficial evidence that we can access easily - rather dispels all that.

What sane mature man in his sixth decade 'gets involved' with 19-year old drug addicts in the first place? Let alone those who are so dysfunctional that they think sex is a commodity? What 'innocence' is there in equipping a studio with an electric winch for the express purpose of suspending young, trussed-up semi-naked women from it?

Read into the history of the 'relationship' between him and his victim. ...She was a vulnerable and unwell young girl who's addiction he sustained for his own purposes. Nominally she was his 'studio manager', but really what legitimacy could there have been in that? A 'job' she was singularly untrained and unqualified for; apart from her malleability.

His 'defence'? A fanciful tale of mis-set internal clocks on cameras, missing files and general quasi-technical bullshit culminating in him accusing the police of tampering with the camera and their technical expert - the head of a forensic photo lab - of incompetence.

This being the same man who was so easily 'taken down' in a technical analysis he had made, by a random stranger on an internet forum... When I challenged him he didn't really even understand the differences between PAL and NTSC! Basic stuff! Doesn't matter how many book or articles he had published; clearly he was quite capable of being wrong. Shell (apparently) isn't even really a qualified photographic technician - Yet he goes head-to-head with a man (Chuck Pruitt) trained and qualified specifically in forensic photo analysis.

Nothing about Shell or his defence 'stands up'. And overall it taints the AA footage forever.

The project was really Santilli's baby as far as I can see... The timing of his admission and the ant and Dec film was well considered; it was obvious Shell was going down. And that should have been IT! Ray saw clearly that the game was a bogie.

Spyros Melaris? OK, he was there, as were others - most of whom seem to have carried on working where he 'peaked' many years ago...

On one level it's understandable; people need to eat, and if entertainment is your business well you need to get up on the stage and if you're hungry you will 'reach' into corners. What I question is if this - given all the tragic circumstances - is really the right part of the old stack to be raking over?

And in any case I don't really buy his claims to have been the 'main man' involved in creating the hoax anyway


Further reading on Shell if you can stomach it.

http://www.roanoke.com/webmin/news/the-final-shoot/article_81368186-08be-5735-afd4-c1059f20aa86.html
 
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This was one of the reasons I left BUFORA as an officer. I was never happy with them promoting this footage at their conference in Sheffield when the affair was rumbling. It always had a worrying pedigree and I felt the group was at risk of being used for promotion. At the time I was working as story consultant on the ITV series Strange But True? and we were given the chance to view and consider something about that footage. But my suspicions from a UFO perspective and the concerns from a technical point of view of our experienced video crew assured we decided to opt out and never considered doing anything about the case during our four years.
 
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Richard Dolan breaks down his interview with Kit Green, senior CIA officer, about his experiences with the Santilli film. His exposure to the footage goes back to the late 80s, which surprised me.
 
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