Alien Abductions: Reports, Theories & Stories (Not IHTM)

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I have pondered posting the following for past couple of days.

Concerns inevitably surround 'hypnotic regression', however, after due consideration, this is such an extraordinary situation, where you have two people involved and purportedly giving independent 'recollections'.

Aside from which, we have different types of aliens portrayed in the same Incident.

Furthermore, it is the most detailed account I have ever come across and features a number of fascinating nuances.

Further from my archives, once upon a time, I highlighted this:

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'The Alley Abduction'

The following article has been reproduced with permission from the latest edition of UFO Magazine (UK). The article, entitled as above, was written by Tony Dodd, the chief investigator of Quest International, publishers of the magazine.

My reasons for doing so are that it is a rare account of an alleged mother and daughter abduction and exceptionally detailed.

A summary of the account follows:

[START]
It was just another call on the UFO hotline...

I asked the caller to relate details of what had happened and the strange circumstances which had befallen Clair and Barbara began to unfold.

"It was 30th March 1988. I was forty-five years old at the time, and my daughter was twenty-four. It was 5.25 a.m. when we left my house in Birmingham to go to work at a nearby mill. It was a dark morning and as usual we took a short cut down some nearby alleys to get to the mill which was about 15 minutes away. We had taken this route many times without any problems, but on this morning, we heard a strange distant humming sound but didn't take much notice of it, only to comment that it was unusual at that time of day."

"Suddenly we were both startled by a light which was shining down on us from above. It was like somebody shining a bright torch. We both stopped and looked up and became frightened as the light was getting larger and larger, until it was directly over our heads. I remember holding my daughter's hand and then starting to feel dizzy. The next thing I remember was walking along the alley with my daughter, but something was wrong. We were both in a daze and both walking erratically because we were dizzy. My daughter was wearing a leather coat which was dry when we set off, but now it was wet, yet it hadn't been raining."

"We felt very strange and when we eventually reached the mill gates we were confronted by the security guard who commented that we were very late for work. I don't remember much about that day, neither does my daughter. Since that time we have always been apprehensive about going to work in the morning."

The woman, who was called Clair, and her daughter, Barbara, felt that something had happened to them that morning...

...Further questioning revealed that both women suffered from a form of sunburn on their faces and arms after the incident. They also suffered fro nose bleeds and a strange naval discharge. Barbara stated that a small patch of hair was missing at the nape of her neck.

The women agreed to undergo hypnotic regression. Arrangements were made for this to take place on the 12th March 1994. it was decided that Clair would be regressed first. This was conducted out of sight and sound of her daughter. Under hypnosis she was taken back to the morning of the incident...She was invited to remember all the events of that day, from that point and then left to tell her own story.

"We have closed the door and are walking down the street, not in any hurry, we have plenty of time. It's dark and quiet and we are talking about everyday family matters. We are turning into a narrow alley, it's our shortcut to work. I can hear our footsteps as we walk. I can hear another sound, it's strange... never heard it before, it's like a low humming sound... seems to be above us. There's a light in the air, it's like a torch shining down on me, it's getting bigger. We're frightened, holding each others hand. I feel strange, the light is now below us, we're looking down on the light. There's a moon above us, we're moving towards it."

There now followed a long pause and she started to talk again, she had a bewildered expression on her face.

"Where am I? A room, it's all white, everything is white, it seems to have a window all the way round it. I'm laying on a table, can't move. I've got no clothes on. There's a netting cloth over my legs, it feels wet. I can see Barbara, she's laying on a table next to me, she has no clothes on, there's netting over her legs as well, what are they doing?"

At this point I asked her "What is who doing?" She answered, "The little men." I asked her to tell us what they looked like and she said, "They're strange, only small, they've got tiny ears and big black eyes. They're very thin, they've got three very long fingers." Questions were then raised over the figures clothing. "They're not wearing any clothes and their skin is white. There's some around my table and some around Barbara's."

Now she started to show fear in her face, and said, "They're touching my stomach, they feel cold. They're looking at my hands and feet. They've got a long glass tube, it's only thin. They seem to be pushing it into my stomach through my navel." I asked her if she was feeling any pain, and she replied, "No, but they have left the tube sticking out, they are now looking at my hair. It feels as though they are pulling it. They have gone back to my stomach. They are pulling the tube out, it's got fluid in it. I think they are taking eggs from me."

Clair started to show anxiety for her daughter, saying things like, "please don't hurt her." She went on to reveal that the small figures placed a cup-shaped object over her head. Some time later she was allowed off the table and taken to a wall where a large television-like screen appeared. One of the figures pushed some buttons. Symbols lit-up on the screen, including triangles, squares and wavy lines. The screen then changed, television-type pictures of wars, fighting and explosions appeared. She continued:

"It's strange, everything I touch seems wet. There are some other people standing at the back of the room. They are very tall, not like the small men. One is standing closer than the others, he has got long blond hair. He seems to have blue eyes. He is wearing a silver suit with a blue badge on the left of his chest. The badge is a circle with a triangle next to it, with two zig-zag lines next to the triangle."

After this she was allowed to put her clothes back on and began to feel dizzy and disoriented. She suddenly found herself back in the alley with her daughter who looked dazed. She grasped her leather coat and asked "How has my coat got wet?"

They continued their short journey to work. Neither person had many memories of the rest of the day, but Clair said "It was if we were working in a daze." They noticed what appeared to be sunburn on their faces and other parts which had not been covered by clothing.

Clair was eventually brought out of her hypnotic state and taken to another room to rest.

Barbara was now brought to the room and put into a hypnotic state - taken back to the date of the incident, to the point where she and her mother were leaving home to go to work. At this stage she was asked to recall the eventsn of the day.

Barbara related how they left home in the dark to walk to work. In the alley they heard the strange sound. She then started to show signs of fear as she described the light shining down on them from the sky and how she first thought it was a helicopter. The light seemed to come down on top of them and they were holding each other in fear. At this point her speech became disoriented and difficult to understand. She was showing signs of stress.There was then a long pause before she continued. "I'm laying on a table without my clothes. I can see my mum, she's laying on another table."

She then started to cry, saying, "I want my mum, I want my mum." She was comforted and told that nothing could hurt either her or her mother, and to continue to describe what she saw. After a pause she sobbed, "I've got no clothes on, I can't move...there's a cloth over my legs, it's wet, it's like netting. I can see my mother, they're looking into her mouth." Asked who was looking into her mother's mouth she replied, "Small people with big eyes, they have no clothes on. They have wrinkly skin. They walk funny, they waddle and they have only got two fingers." We asked her to describe what else was visible, and Barbara responded:

"There is something like a big camera on a long arm, it's hanging above me, there seems to be a window which goes all around the room, everything seems to be white. The little people are around my table, they are looking at my hands and feet. Now they are looking into my mouth. I can feel one of them touching my stomach."

"One of them has got a thin rod, it has a silver ball on the end, he's pushing it up my nose." She felt no pain and went on to say that when the rod was removed, the silver "ball" was missing.

Other statements soon followed:

"They are placing an object like a piece of wire into my ear. I can feel them moving it about. They've now taken it out. I can hear a whistling sound in my ear."

"They're now touching my stomach. One of them has got a glass tube, he's pushing it into my stomach, near my navel." She was showing signs of anxiety, but we quickly comforted her and told Barbara that nothing could hurt her.

"They're pulling the tube out of my stomach, it's full of fluid, they're putting it into a dish. They have got two wire things, they've pushed them into my cervix. I can feel it. They've removed the wires, there's somethingl on the end of them, they're putting it into a dish. They have got something like a very large glass cup, they're putting it over my head."

There was a long pause before she said:

"They've taken the thing off my head. They're turning me over. I can feel them examining my back and legs. They are now touching my hair at the back. It feels like they placed a small circular object on my hair at the bottom of my head. it's pulling my hair, I don't like it. They've turned me over again, they're standing near my feet. They are looking at our packets of cigarettes, they must have taken them from our pockets."

She recalled how she was taken off the table and moved to a large screen in the wall. At the base of the screen were banks of red buttons. She remembered that the "man" taking her to the screen was touching her arm, his skin was cold and felt wet. He pressed some of the buttons and the screen lit-up; an array of symbols, including triangles and squares could be seen. Her abductors removed Barbara to another room where there was a strong smell of burning. She was shown some small biscuit-like objects which were apparently food. The creatures asked her to take one, and accordingly put a small piece in her mouth. The biscuit tasted horrible and she soon spat it out.

Following this incident she was then taken back to the original room where she saw her mother, now dressed, standing beside a very tall beautiful woman who had long blond hair and blue eyes. She smiled. The figure appeared to be wearing a type of silver-coloured suit; a blue badge with a triangular and circular insignia was positioned on the left of her chest. After dressing, Barbara was handed back her leather coat; one of the little figures kept rubbing it in his face as if feeling the texture. After feeling dizzy, she recalled being back in the alley with her mother.

...This report represents a condensed version of events as they unfolded during the hypnotic regression of Clair and Barbara.
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A summary of the account follows:
Mother:

"There are some other people standing at the back of the room. They are very tall, not like the small men. One is standing closer than the others, he has got long blond hair. He seems to have blue eyes. He is wearing a silver suit with a blue badge on the left of his chest. The badge is a circle with a triangle next to it, with two zig-zag lines next to the triangle."

Daughter:

"...she saw her mother, now dressed, standing beside a very tall beautiful woman who had long blond hair and blue eyes. She smiled. The figure appeared to be wearing a type of silver-coloured suit; a blue badge with a triangular and circular insignia was positioned on the left of her chest".
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Anyone ever come across a similar description, especially the insignia?
 

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Wow. Amazing stuff. Very interesting that neither of the women recalled any attempt at communication from their abductors, or any attempt by them to offer anything like reassurance. I wonder if the little aliens kept their packets of cigarettes? Maybe the little guys all have the bad habit now! And it sounds like alien baking skills leave a lot to be desired.
 
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Those women's accounts (and many others) feed into the idea that aliens seem to assume they own us and can just do what they want to us with impunity, which is something I raised recently in the thread about the US Military: Knowledge and Disclosure, in reply to an observation about why the intent of UFOs or their occupants is so often portrayed as 'evil'. Whatever it is they are up to, they just waltz in, beam us up, and do it. The total lack of consent or explanation usual in these reports disturbs our innate sense of rightness and is therefore easily characterised as evil intent. To be fair, it is pretty difficult to see it as anything else. But maybe 'amoral' or 'high-handed' could be an alternative interpretation. There could be benevolence in some of their actions. After all, an injured deer lying on a vet's operating table has no idea that it is there to be made better (hopefully!). Obviously, I speak as someone who has never experienced anything of this kind, so if anyone who has has a different take to offer, I am more than happy to hear it.
 

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RE: A comment by Charliebrown in the first-person abduction experience thread.
https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/alien-abductions-your-personal-experiences-ihtm.27272/post-2086634


I have not thought about this in over 50 years, but my little guys abducting me wore a kinda uniform with insignias and even had rank patches.
You mean like they would perfectly conceivably have on a spaceship...

Whilst searching for anything comparative, I have come across this.

Unfortunately, there's no attribution and mentioned simply because it does seem to also depict a differentiation between two, 'types of entities' - left hand side we have, "the nice one".

b973976d2d6299218916eb9bc0023b9c.jpg
 
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Comfortably Numb, I don't think you need me to point out the fact that that sketch could very easily be an illustration of the experience described by the mother and daughter from Birmingham in your earlier post above. Strange indeed. I wonder if the sources are connected. Intriguing either way, but especially if there isn't a connection.
 

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From 'Vice' magazine, France;

We Asked People Who Claim They Were Abducted by Aliens to Draw Their Experience

vice.com
2 September, 2016


(..)

STÉPHANE, 41

VICE: Hi Stéphane. What can you tell me about your alien encounter?

Stéphane: It was on March the 24th, 2010, after my night shift at the hospital where I work. At about 4AM I drove up to the security gate to go home, when a flash of light blinded me. In a split second, I found myself in another place – I was on a mountain, and there was a lake at its foot. Suddenly a huge space ship appeared in the sky, while an even brighter light began to emanate from the ground. That's all I remember. The next thing I know, I am back behind the wheel of my car, passing the security gate. When I got out, I was approached by police who said they had been looking for me. It turned out I had been gone for three days. I have no idea what happened.

VICE: Did you see aliens?

I don't think I did, but on that mountain I did see people who looked human though I couldn't really see or I can't remember their faces. Generally, I think these beings can divert our minds and make us think of something else".

(...)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vi...najw/alien-abductees-draw-their-abduction-876

Stéphane's drawing of his experience:


alien-abductees-draw-their-abduction-876-body-image-1471349026.jpg


On a separate UFO related thread, I queried (still haven't tracked down the source):

Post in thread 'Triangular UFO Sightings'

https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/triangular-ufo-sightings.66394/post-1998377
 

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Located another copy which is
captioned, ''North Carolina Abduction'.
So presumably not the same incident then! Doesn't mean that it wasn't the same ship / aliens / mission. Whatever procedure is being carried out in that depiction, it looks to be much the same as what the women underwent in Birmingham. Thanks for your research!
 
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Thanks for your research!
Found a source!

The real-life X-Files: These people are convinced they have been abducted by aliens - the question is, do you believe too?

Daily Mail
17 April, 2012


While their accounts may vary, the one thing they share is a conviction in what they saw, what they experienced, and the impact it had on their lives.

New York photographer Steven Hirsch, 63,has interviewed and photographed many abductees.

He said: 'I don't want my audience to have any preconceptions about these people before they see my images and read their words.

'My interviews barely break the surface of what is going on in their lives ... or in their minds. I'm not an analyst, my questions are not intended to find answers but to allow people to tell us their stories.

'We've become desensitized to the TV sound-bite. With these projects we can stare at the picture. Stare into their eyes. Feel their angst. It's a very simple approach. There's no distractions.'

Here, the 'abductees' tell the stories, in their own words:

(...)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...life-X-Files-Meet-people-abducted-aliens.html

I have always noticed how many accounts are from later years, involving one or more incidents when as a young child, around 7-12 years old.
 

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The figure appeared to be wearing a type of silver-coloured suit; a blue badge with a triangular and circular insignia was positioned on the left of her chest".
(End)

Anyone ever come across a similar description, especially the insignia?
From Camille's story, at link just referenced:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...life-X-Files-Meet-people-abducted-aliens.html

"I saw this row of beings to my left that were tall. They had white robes on with high collars. They had some kind of emblem here. I wanna say it was like a triangle inside a circle".

...Think I need a wee dram here...
 

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Small people with big eyes, they have no clothes on. They have wrinkly skin. They walk funny, they waddle and they have only got two fingers." We asked her to describe what else was visible, and Barbara responded:

"There is something like a big camera on a long arm, it's hanging above me...
Camille's other sketch...

article-0-12D87C98000005DC-275_634x493.jpg


...Might have to make that a large dram...
 
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Those women's accounts (and many others) feed into the idea that aliens seem to assume they own us and can just do what they want to us with impunity, which is something I raised recently in the thread about the US Military: Knowledge and Disclosure, in reply to an observation about why the intent of UFOs or their occupants is so often portrayed as 'evil'. Whatever it is they are up to, they just waltz in, beam us up, and do it. The total lack of consent or explanation usual in these reports disturbs our innate sense of rightness and is therefore easily characterised as evil intent. To be fair, it is pretty difficult to see it as anything else. But maybe 'amoral' or 'high-handed' could be an alternative interpretation. There could be benevolence in some of their actions. After all, an injured deer lying on a vet's operating table has no idea that it is there to be made better (hopefully!). Obviously, I speak as someone who has never experienced anything of this kind, so if anyone who has has a different take to offer, I am more than happy to hear it.
Maybe the Nordics are there to police the procedure by the Greys so nothing gets out of hand ?
 

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Maybe the Nordics are there to police the procedure by the Greys so nothing gets out of hand ?
Aside from thoses symbols, another similarly in our aforementioned hypnotically repressed accounts is neither feature grey-skinned entities - in both they are white.

Also both depict the smaller beings as 'wrinkly'.

Perhaps more to it all then we can even begin to understand.

Bit like life, the universe and... :)
 

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I was reading an account of the well known Travis Walton case and in the context of what we have been discussing, quite interesting.

Once again, white-skinned entities and seemingly a hierarchical structure?

This reference is to an online extract from Chris Rutkowski's book: 'Alien Abductions and UFO Sightings' - it's from the chapter, 'TRAVIS WALTON':

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Hm44DQAAQBAJ&pg=PT55&lpg=PT55&dq=alien+abductee+zapped+by+rod&source=bl&ots=GC6tKO_Sm4&sig=ACfU3U22AB6ams6basMtBdPknjy_lJ3TBw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj0_Z-Yv97xAhX0lFwKHSMyDQ4Q6AEwCXoECBMQAg#v=onepage&q=alien abductee zapped by rod&f=false
 

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Quote: The typical abductee, notes McNally, “has a longstanding interest in ‘New Age’ practices and beliefs such as reincarnation, astral projection, mental telepathy, alternative healing practices, energy therapies, and astrology.”

He and his colleagues conclude, “a combination of pre-existing New Age beliefs, episodes of sleep paralysis, accompanied by hallucinations and hypnotic memory recovery may foster beliefs and memories that one has been abducted by space aliens.(End)
Here's another suggested cause for stereotypical abduction reports. Newly published research suggets such reports can be the result of lucid dreaming. Once I saw this article I found it quite odd that AFAIK nobody's nominated lucid dreaming as a source of perceived abduction experiences before.
'Alien abduction' stories may come from lucid dreaming, study hints

Lucid dreaming, in which people are partially aware and can control their dreams during sleep, could explain so-called alien abduction stories, a study suggests.

Claims of such abductions date to the 19th century; the circumstances of the kidnappings often sound dreamlike and trigger feelings of terror and paralysis. Certain dream states are also known to produce such feelings, leading Russian researchers to wonder if dream experiments could provide clues about alleged extraterrestrial experiences. The scientists prompted lucid dreamers to dream about encounters with aliens or unidentified flying objects (UFOs), and found that a number of sleepers reported dreams that resembled actual descriptions of alleged alien abductions. ...

Recently, researchers with the Phase Research Center (PRC), a private facility in Moscow that researches lucid dreaming, conducted experiments with 152 adults who self-identified as lucid dreamers, instructing them to "find or summon aliens or UFOs" during a lucid dream, the scientists reported July 2 in the International Journal of Dream Research.

The researchers found that 114 of the participants reported dreaming about having some type of successful interaction with an extraterrestrial. Of those, about 61% described meeting "aliens" that resembled extraterrestrials from science-fiction novels and films, while 19% met aliens that "looked like ordinary people," according to the study. ...

Conversations with dream aliens took place in 26% of the encounters, and 12% of the participants spoke with aliens in their dreams and interacted with them physically. UFOs showed up in 28% of the meetings, and 10% of the dreamers who saw UFOs described being brought inside an extraterrestrial spacecraft. ...

Of those who described their encounters as "realistic," 24% also experienced sleep paralysis and intense fear. Such emotions often accompany reports of supposed alien abductions, and though individuals who describe being kidnapped by aliens might truly believe that what they experienced was real, these people were likely experiencing an extraterrestrial meeting while in a lucid dream, the study authors reported. ...
FULL STORY: https://www.livescience.com/lucid-dreaming-ufo-alien-abductions.html
 

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Here are the bibliographic details and summary / abstract for the published study. The full report can be accessed at the link below.

Emulating alien and UFO encounters in REM sleep
Michael Raduga, Andrey Shashkov, & Zhanna Zhunusova
International Journal of Dream Research Volume XX, No. X (2021)

Summary. Alien and UFO encounters (AUEs) have been a well-known part of human culture for centuries, but we are still unsure of their nature. Some studies suggest that in some such encounters, these phenomena could be related to dissociative REM sleep states, like lucid dreams (LDs), sleep paralysis (SP), and out-of-body experiences (OBEs). The present research focuses on the hypothesis that if some of AUEs are indeed the products of REM sleep, then they could be deliberately emulated by LD practitioners. Therefore, this experiment could help to explain the mystery of AUEs. To check our hypothesis, we implemented an online resource through which we instructed a group of 152 volunteers to try to emulate AUEs via LDs. The volunteers made these attempts at home, and their reports were verified and analyzed by the researchers. Of the volunteers, 114 (75%) were able to experience AUEs after one or more attempts. The results in- dicate that 61% of participants encountered alien-like creatures, 28% encountered UFOs, and 24% experienced fear or SP. Regarding the successful cases, 20% were close to reality in terms of the absence of paradoxical dreamlike events. AUEs can be emulated willfully and can be perceived as being very close to reality. In theory, random people might spon- taneously encounter AUEs during REM sleep and confuse the events with reality. This study helps to explain at least some AUEs that arise at bedtime. This study can be used to examine—and even emulate—other paranormal, religious, or mystical encounters, thus helping us to understand our culture and the human brain better.

FULL ARTICLE (PRE-PUBLICATION ONLINE EDITION): https://journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/index.php/IJoDR/libraryFiles/downloadPublic/265
 

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Here's another suggested cause for stereotypical abduction reports. Newly published research suggests such reports can be the result of lucid dreaming.
How extraordinarily coincidental that on our companion thread, I have just highlighted re one of the most founding cases, we arguably have a prime candidate for this very notion:

Post in thread 'What Links The Betty & Barney Hill And Travis Walton Cases?' https://forums.forteana.org/index.p...ll-and-travis-walton-cases.68636/post-2089452
 

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...I have just highlighted re one of the most founding cases, we arguably have a prime candidate for this very notion:
Differentiating between her recollections from dreams and what she remembers whilst under hypnosis, Betty Hill explains to the hypnotist, "My dreams were much more vivid than it is here".
 

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Lucid dreaming is responsible for memories of alien abduction ?

If that is what people want to think.

I am not saying it is aliens, but it is aliens !
 

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Once I saw this article I found it quite odd that AFAIK nobody's nominated lucid dreaming as a source of perceived abduction experiences before.
I've always believed that abduction experiences may sometimes be caused by lucid dreaming. I don't have much experience with lucid dreaming, but the few experiences I have had suggest to me that the dreamer can take a certain amount of control over events in the dream. I was able to dream, at will, a manifestation of the alien 'Balok' from Star Trek in the corner of my bedroom.
balok.jpg

(or rather his puppet).

I think, although I can't be sure, that the fact that the dreamer can take control of the experience, that sometimes the dreamer's subconscious mind takes control instead, and produces an abduction narrative. But I really wouldn't like to say that all abduction experiences are caused in this way.
 

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eburacum,

For me I have never been able to control my dreams and sometimes I am shocked what happens in my dreams in that am I am capable of thinking such bizarre ideas.

What happens if you dream you are dying ?

How do explain strange skin marks or rash after alien abduction ?
 
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