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Alien Big Cats ('ABCs')

In your opinion what are alien big cats most likely to be?

  • Escapees from collections, breeding in the UK countryside

    Votes: 57 48.3%
  • A species of endemic British big cat somehow overlooked by science

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Zooform Phenomena - animal-shaped manifestations of paranormal activity

    Votes: 6 5.1%
  • Misidentifications of big dogs, normal cats etc

    Votes: 28 23.7%
  • A big hoax

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Summat else

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • All of the above

    Votes: 23 19.5%

  • Total voters
    118
What is a lurcher? Feline, canine? I've never heard this term.
It's a canine.
"A lurcher is a sighthound such as a Greyhound crossed with a terrier, herding breed, or large scenthound with the idea of bringing in greater tenacity, intelligence, or scenting ability. Lurchers are primarily hunting dogs, prized for their stealth and silence."

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It's a canine.
"A lurcher is a sighthound such as a Greyhound crossed with a terrier, herding breed, or large scenthound with the idea of bringing in greater tenacity, intelligence, or scenting ability. Lurchers are primarily hunting dogs, prized for their stealth and silence."

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Alfred, the dog owned by the Claude Greengrass character on Heartbeat, immediately comes to mind whenever I think of a lurcher.
 
Cat the 'size of a lurcher' with a 2ft-long tail spotted by cyclist in Cornwall. My friend's got a lurcher, which is quite slight, but they can be up to 100lb apparently, so that could make it about the size of a leopard. A lynx might be about right but they're pretty much tail-less.

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/big-cat-appears-front-cyclist-5820431

Forget that laughable doorbell footage, this one is interesting, I live in Cornwall and have visited Lanhydrock and it is a heavily wooded National Trust estate in a wider agricultural and forestry area with some steep-sided valleys. Its remote and full of deer, pheasant and rabbits i.e. ideal big cat territory if such cats exist.

All I know is that I have met two witnesses to alien big cats. One was my neighbour who famously saw a black puma-type cat cross in front of her school minibus near Rackenford, Devon during the 1980s 'Beast of Exmoor' media frenzy (Rackenford being close to the farms where the sheep killings took place). The second was in the late-1990s and from a farmer's son in the Dartington, Devon area who was driving a tractor across a field of tall grass and chanced upon a 'huge black cat' that seemed to be lying down and sunning itself but then leapt up in an instant and cleared a tall fence with hedge before disappearing into the woods.

Its just a shame that the media keep seizing on any old out of focus image of a cat or dog and screaming "Omg! It's a Puma! Look, this 'expert' say so...!".
 
Over the years I have read many big cat sighting reports in the newspapers, etc, many of which sign off with something like "hair/dropping samples have been sent for analysis."
The lack of follow up reports of the said analysis suggests that all of them proved to be something other than a big cat. No amount of fuzzy photos can make up for the lack of physical evidence.
 
I am, in general, a believer in ABC's - my middle daughter who is noteable for her lack of imagination saw one on the Castle Howard estate near York whilst driving home from work one night. But I also know that humans are incredibly bad at judging size and distance (see any UFO report where the 'hovering craft at least 100 feet across' really does turn out to be a planet or the moon), which makes me doubt most instances of eye witness report. I've written here before about how I managed to mis-identify my own cat as an ABC because of a fold in the land that, to paraphrase the good Father, meant that something looked big but far away, but was really small and close to.
 
Over the years I have read many big cat sighting reports in the newspapers, etc, many of which sign off with something like "hair/dropping samples have been sent for analysis."
The lack of follow up reports of the said analysis suggests that all of them proved to be something other than a big cat. No amount of fuzzy photos can make up for the lack of physical evidence.
It's a good point you make. Jon Downes of the Centre for Fortean Zoology in North Devon received reports from locals of a big black cat being seen in the vicinity of some local woods. With his team he set up some camera traps at the rural and isolated location and caught nothing but an interesting array of local wildlife. Yet the farmer's son who saw the huge black cat leap the high fence and hedge (above) left me in no doubt as to what he had seen, was genuinely awe-stuck was of course familiar with the local wildlife.

I aso recall about 15-20 years ago there were 'researchers' who were adamant that they had proof of a lynx population in a quarry in Dorset (amongst other claims) and yet and nowt has come of it. Yet back in 2003/04 I spent a few months working in a Norfolk village near Norwich and a local property developer (who also farmed on a small-scale) told me with absolute sincerity that he had witnessed a lynx cross the road in front of his Range Rover. I believed the guy then and lo and behold three years later:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4830320.stm

Police found the frozen body of a lynx shot by a gamekeeper but it originated in the exact same village as my witness:

Quote: "But on Tuesday, it emerged the lynx was shot near Great Witchingham, about 30 miles away in Norfolk."

So not all sightings lack evidence and it just seems to make the whole situation even more frustrating....!
 
It's a good point you make. Jon Downes of the Centre for Fortean Zoology in North Devon received reports from locals of a big black cat being seen in the vicinity of some local woods. With his team he set up some camera traps at the rural and isolated location and caught nothing but an interesting array of local wildlife. Yet the farmer's son who saw the huge black cat leap the high fence and hedge (above) left me in no doubt as to what he had seen, was genuinely awe-stuck was of course familiar with the local wildlife.

I aso recall about 15-20 years ago there were 'researchers' who were adamant that they had proof of a lynx population in a quarry in Dorset (amongst other claims) and yet and nowt has come of it. Yet back in 2003/04 I spent a few months working in a Norfolk village near Norwich and a local property developer (who also farmed on a small-scale) told me with absolute sincerity that he had witnessed a lynx cross the road in front of his Range Rover. I believed the guy then and lo and behold three years later:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4830320.stm

Police found the frozen body of a lynx shot by a gamekeeper but it originated in the exact same village as my witness:

Quote: "But on Tuesday, it emerged the lynx was shot near Great Witchingham, about 30 miles away in Norfolk."

So not all sightings lack evidence and it just seems to make the whole situation even more frustrating....!
This raises good points. We often fall into the habit of talking about ABCs in the way we talk about Nessie or Sasquatch. Yet, in spite of the appalling photographic and film evidence of alien cats in our countryside at any one time, we are talking about animals known to exist in the world, and, I believe, the remains of several foreign species of large wild cats have been discovered in our countryside. I saw the taxidermied body of Felicity the puma in Inverness Museum years ago, and she was discovered alive. There's nothing inherently impossible or even particularly improbable about foreign cat species existing for a time in the UK countryside.

Yet, the photos and videos are still moggies.
 
This raises good points. We often fall into the habit of talking about ABCs in the way we talk about Nessie or Sasquatch. Yet, in spite of the appalling photographic and film evidence of alien cats in our countryside at any one time, we are talking about animals known to exist in the world, and, I believe, the remains of several foreign species of large wild cats have been discovered in our countryside. I saw the taxidermied body of Felicity the puma in Inverness Museum years ago, and she was discovered alive. There's nothing inherently impossible or even particularly improbable about foreign cat species existing for a time in the UK countryside.

Yet, the photos and videos are still moggies.
In the Great Witchingham case there was a zoological park not that far away that included the Eurasian lynx but who denied any escapees. So equally you can argue a lynx would be attracted to this area for the very reason there were other lynx in the vicinity. In fact, its the same claim made about Dartmoor Wildlife Park's captive big cats attracting 'wild' big cats:


.... see towards the start of the above documentary.

It just seems that, as with UFOs, the media denigrate genuine witness experiences by hyping up every misidentification/hoax and drawing wild conclusions. There are people who have had genuine strange experiences including, for example, lights at night when driving that have interacted with them/their vehicle yet any attempt at a rational explanation is swamped by the media on one hand and wide-eyed self-titled 'investigators' on the other (see the 1992 A70 UFO incident). Likewise, there are plenty of rational witnesses to the alien big cat phenomenon, in fact more so than UFOs, and yet the media immediately steam in and shout "It's the Beast of [insert location here]!!!" and find someone who has taken a blurry photo of next door's moggie, or a smug journalist drives down from London and declares that ABC sightings are just "A manifestation of our desire for there to be something wild and dangerous in our environment blah blah crikey must hit the road, dinner at Fiorella's tonight, laters!"

Rant over :) but yes, we have cast iron examples of wild big cats from lynx to puma in our countryside and yet the topic is still treated akin to Nessie and Bigfoot *sigh*. It seems dead bodies aren't enough, someone get a decent photo, please....!
 
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Rant over :) but yes, we have cast iron examples of wild big cats from lynx to puma in our countryside and yet the topic is still treated akin to Nessie and Bigfoot *sigh*. It seems dead bodies aren't enough, someone get a decent photo, please....!
I take your point. But Felicity the Puma and lynxes are light brown. Will anyone ever truly find a massive black cat with a long tail? I could say I'm 'on the fence' as so many of these creatures seem to be. But actually I don't think I am on the fence... I kind of take the crazy stance of Merrily Harpur and think that if people are seeing them, then maybe they're something half-real (like a nice traditional black dog). So I don't think real black cats are out there to provide proof??
 
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I take your point. But Felicity the Puma and lynxes are light brown. Will anyone ever truly find a massive black cat with a long tail? I would say I'm 'on the fence' as so many of these creatures seem to be. But actually I don't think I am on the fence... I kind of take the crazy stance of Merrily Harpur and think that if people are seeing them, then maybe they're something half-real (like a nice traditional black dog). So I don't think real black cats are out there to provide proof??
True, the black colour is the most baffling part of this whole mystery. It could very well be that the lynx and Felicity are not in the same category as whatever the elusive black cats are. Then you have the link to the traditional Black Shuck etc. black dog sightings. Personally, I find myself in two minds between the physical and paranormal: it does seem, in the UK at least, that people stopped reporting encounters with UFO occupants at around the same time the alien black cats reared their heads along with the British bigfoot phenomena. I often wonder if it's the same 'intelligence' showing itself in different guises, as 'it' has done so throughout human history (the little people, elves, pixies etc). It would certainly explain the lack of evidence, something from which Ufology's CE3s also suffer from. Also, the circumstances in which ABCs are witnessed are pretty much identical to that of many UFO sightings: a person or small number of people isolated in some way due to location, time and/or darkness and experiencing 'something' without looking for it.
 
In the Great Witchingham case there was a zoological park not that far away that included the Eurasian lynx but who denied any escapees. So equally you can argue a lynx would be attracted to this area for the very reason there were other lynx in the vicinity. In fact, its the same claim made about Dartmoor Wildlife Park's captive big cats attracting 'wild' big cats:


.... see towards the start of the above documentary.

It just seems that, as with UFOs, the media denigrate genuine witness experiences by hyping up every misidentification/hoax and drawing wild conclusions. There are people who have had genuine strange experiences including, for example, lights at night when driving that have interacted with them/their vehicle yet any attempt at a rational explanation is swamped by the media on one hand and wide-eyed self-titled 'investigators' on the other (see the 1992 A70 UFO incident). Likewise, there are plenty of rational witnesses to the alien big cat phenomenon, in fact more so than UFOs, and yet the media immediately steam in and shout "It's the Beast of [insert location here]!!!" and find someone who has taken a blurry photo of next door's moggie, or a smug journalist drives down from London and declares that ABC sightings are just "A manifestation of our desire for there to be something wild and dangerous in our environment blah blah crikey must hit the road, dinner at Fiorella's tonight, laters!"

Rant over :) but yes, we have cast iron examples of wild big cats from lynx to puma in our countryside and yet the topic is still treated akin to Nessie and Bigfoot *sigh*. It seems dead bodies aren't enough, someone get a decent photo, please....!
But then again, it can be hard enough to get a decent, clear picture of your own, domestic, usually-asleep-on-the-sofa cat. Either the camera isn't to hand and by the time you've fetched it the cat has wandered off, or the cat is moving and the picture is blurry or the camera is on the wrong setting and by the time you've switched it over the cat has wandered off or you point the camera at the cat who instantly sees something mouselike just out of frame and vanishes....

so getting a photo of an out-in-the-wild cat that you can't tempt to look photogenic with a tin of sardines is always going to be difficult.
 
A couple of posters have mentioned Felicity the puma. I too have seen her in Inverness museum. However, when Felicity was caught the vet who examined her was certain she had not been living wild for long.
I also remember an ABC being killed on the road to Hayling Island many moons ago (late 1980s?). This was no puma, but a swamp cat. No phantom, but more than likely an escapee from whoknowswhere.
 
I don't think that a lynx or puma would be all that fortean in the UK - except I guess that they aren't native and would have to have escaped? They live in proximity to humans in various parts of the US. Panthers I wouldn't be so sure about. The food requirement would be significantly greater, a lot more cattle and pets missing, and hard for them to breed without a colony of sorts. I don't think that a group of panthers could escape notice in the UK for very long except perhaps in the very north of Scotland, and that's too snowy, right?
 
I am, in general, a believer in ABC's - my middle daughter who is noteable for her lack of imagination saw one on the Castle Howard estate near York whilst driving home from work one night. But I also know that humans are incredibly bad at judging size and distance (see any UFO report where the 'hovering craft at least 100 feet across' really does turn out to be a planet or the moon), which makes me doubt most instances of eye witness report. I've written here before about how I managed to mis-identify my own cat as an ABC because of a fold in the land that, to paraphrase the good Father, meant that something looked big but far away, but was really small and close to.
I used to volunteer on an archaeological dig at Castle Howard. If there was any truth in an ABC loose on the estate I can assure you that Simon Howard would have worked out a way to try to make money from it! :hahazebs::hahazebs:
 
I used to volunteer on an archaeological dig at Castle Howard. If there was any truth in an ABC loose on the estate I can assure you that Simon Howard would have worked out a way to try to make money from it! :hahazebs::hahazebs:
Don't worry, we all know ALL about the Howards round here...

I was particularly struck by my daughter's sighting, partly because she was with me when we saw an anomalous animal as we drove towards Kirkbymoorside. It was lit up in our headlights for a moment and we both went very very quiet - I was desperately trying to get a 'mental fit' for the animal we'd seen run across the road. Dark fur, long sinuous body, looked a bit like a ferret but much much bigger. I had no idea. Then my daughter said 'I think it was an otter.'

Turns out she was absolutely right - there's a lot of them around here (I didn't know that). They make their way up the river and over to the fish farm just outside town, where they steal the fish.

So I know her reflexes and opinions of what she's seen tend to be more accurate than mine. She saw something that night on the CH estate, certainly.
 
Don't worry, we all know ALL about the Howards round here...

I was particularly struck by my daughter's sighting, partly because she was with me when we saw an anomalous animal as we drove towards Kirkbymoorside. It was lit up in our headlights for a moment and we both went very very quiet - I was desperately trying to get a 'mental fit' for the animal we'd seen run across the road. Dark fur, long sinuous body, looked a bit like a ferret but much much bigger. I had no idea. Then my daughter said 'I think it was an otter.'

Turns out she was absolutely right - there's a lot of them around here (I didn't know that). They make their way up the river and over to the fish farm just outside town, where they steal the fish.

So I know her reflexes and opinions of what she's seen tend to be more accurate than mine. She saw something that night on the CH estate, certainly.
are those Howards descended from the Tudor Howards? (one of the beheadeds I think?)
 
Because way back then they were known for being really good at business.
Yes but you will find with most old families there has been a couple of ancestors who had, at some point, some sort of problem, be that gambling, drinking, women etc, which ends in the family becoming insolvent and having to sell off art works, land, estates etc.
 
Yes but you will find with most old families there has been a couple of ancestors who had, at some point, some sort of problem, be that gambling, drinking, women etc, which ends in the family becoming insolvent and having to sell off art works, land, estates etc.
And some not all that ancestral.
 

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Morning!! My friend was driving to work the other evening on the phone to me. She stopped talking and swore she saw a large black animal (the size of a Labrador) with a really really long tail... she said it looked like a panther. So I googled it and this came up. Are these just myths? Has anyone else seen this animal?

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Some local has joked it's possibly Black Schuck.
 

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S5tSlpofnshored ·

Morning!! My friend was driving to work the other evening on the phone to me. She stopped talking and swore she saw a large black animal (the size of a Labrador) with a really really long tail... she said it looked like a panther. So I googled it and this came up. Are these just myths? Has anyone else seen this animal?

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Some local has joked it's possibly Black Schuck.
Or it could have been a black labrador
 
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