Alternative Therapies (Generally; Overall)

ramonmercado said:
Not going to die in this case but blackberry jam in hot water relieves my cold symptoms.
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40-some years ago, when I was a rock musician out on the road, a venerable bartender advised me blackberry brandy and angostura bitters was the best DIY medicine for a cold. It always seemed to work for my bandmates and myself.
 
A snake oil peddler

A diabetic woman was "crying on her bed" after she stopped taking insulin during a slapping therapy workshop run by an alternative healer, a court has been told.

Danielle Carr-Gomm, 71, died in October 2016 while taking part in a workshop in Wiltshire which promoted Paida Lajin therapy, which sees patients being slapped or slapping themselves repeatedly.

Prosecutor Duncan Atkinson told Winchester Crown Court Mrs Carr-Gomm had been seen to be “vomiting, tired and weak” and had been “howling in pain”.

The leader of the workshop, Hongchi Xiao, 61, of Cloudbreak, California, denies manslaughter by gross negligence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cye09x4r901o
 
ramonmercado said:
A snake oil peddler

A diabetic woman was "crying on her bed" after she stopped taking insulin during a slapping therapy workshop run by an alternative healer, a court has been told.

Danielle Carr-Gomm, 71, died in October 2016 while taking part in a workshop in Wiltshire which promoted Paida Lajin therapy, which sees patients being slapped or slapping themselves repeatedly.

Prosecutor Duncan Atkinson told Winchester Crown Court Mrs Carr-Gomm had been seen to be “vomiting, tired and weak” and had been “howling in pain”.

The leader of the workshop, Hongchi Xiao, 61, of Cloudbreak, California, denies manslaughter by gross negligence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cye09x4r901o
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Not taking insulin is what probably ensured death, but she may have already sustained damage from the slapping.
 
ramonmercado said:
A snake oil peddler

A diabetic woman was "crying on her bed" after she stopped taking insulin during a slapping therapy workshop run by an alternative healer, a court has been told.

Danielle Carr-Gomm, 71, died in October 2016 while taking part in a workshop in Wiltshire which promoted Paida Lajin therapy, which sees patients being slapped or slapping themselves repeatedly.

Prosecutor Duncan Atkinson told Winchester Crown Court Mrs Carr-Gomm had been seen to be “vomiting, tired and weak” and had been “howling in pain”.

The leader of the workshop, Hongchi Xiao, 61, of Cloudbreak, California, denies manslaughter by gross negligence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cye09x4r901o
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Not his first time.

Alternative healer Hongchi Xiao was previously prosecuted over the death of a six-year-old diabetic boy in Australia after he instructed the youngster’s parents to stop giving him his insulin medication, his trial was told.

Xiao’s trial for the manslaughter of Danielle Carr-Gomm, who died in Wiltshire in October 2016, heard that he was convicted of manslaughter by an Australian court in that case.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-41444527.html
 
Mythopoeika said:
Not taking insulin is what probably ensured death, but she may have already sustained damage from the slapping.
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aren't there issues with bruising and bleeding with diabetes? or have I remembered that wrong?

This case gets worse and worse :(
 
Is there any culpability on the part of the lady who stopped taking her insulin? I mean, the snake-oil salesman could have told her to stop and that the slapping treatment would work etc etc, but doesn't the ultimate responsibility lie with the person who actually believed all that and stopped taking their life saving medication? Unless he tied her up and prevented her from taking her medication - did she not also have a part to play?
 
catseye said:
Is there any culpability on the part of the lady who stopped taking her insulin? I mean, the snake-oil salesman could have told her to stop and that the slapping treatment would work etc etc, but doesn't the ultimate responsibility lie with the person who actually believed all that and stopped taking their life saving medication? Unless he tied her up and prevented her from taking her medication - did she not also have a part to play?
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People have to use their brains and common sense. So yes, I'd say she foolishly cast aside medical advice and behaved irresponsibly,
 
Mythopoeika said:
People have to use their brains and common sense. So yes, I'd say she foolishly cast aside medical advice and behaved irresponsibly,
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I wonder if this will have any bearing on any prosecutions. In that Hongchi Xiao, the person holding the slapping workshops, could plead that they just 'advised' those taking part to refrain from taking prescribed medication? It then becomes death by misadventure rather than what is almost murder.
 
Being a long time diabetic, over the years I found that I do best with insulin.

Todays’s insulin is easy injectable pens with small pain free needles, but insulin seems to have an unfair bad reputation.

Some diabetics tell me they take cinnamon, chromium, green tea, and thiamine which I think does nothing.

True in that my healing powers are poor.
 
catseye said:
Is there any culpability on the part of the lady who stopped taking her insulin? I mean, the snake-oil salesman could have told her to stop and that the slapping treatment would work etc etc, but doesn't the ultimate responsibility lie with the person who actually believed all that and stopped taking their life saving medication? Unless he tied her up and prevented her from taking her medication - did she not also have a part to play?
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My own view is a person can be protected from many things but they can never be protected from themselves. This lady (RIP) chose of her own volition to stop taking her medication. She made the choice and no one else.

I wouldn't go to any type of therapy that involves getting slapped. That is my choice. The lady chose to go there. That was her choice.

I don't understand why the slapping bloke is to blame.
 
kesavaross said:
My own view is a person can be protected from many things but they can never be protected from themselves. This lady (RIP) chose of her own volition to stop taking her medication. She made the choice and no one else.

I wouldn't go to any type of therapy that involves getting slapped. That is my choice. The lady chose to go there. That was her choice.

I don't understand why the slapping bloke is to blame.
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That's pretty much my thinking. As a society we are very keen on 'someone to blame' these days. Everything must be 'someone else's fault'. This lady was misguided and probably brainwashed, but at which point do we say 'well, what did you expect?' It's very sad for her and her family of course, but she didn't have to be there.
 
ramonmercado said:
Not his first time.

Alternative healer Hongchi Xiao was previously prosecuted over the death of a six-year-old diabetic boy in Australia after he instructed the youngster’s parents to stop giving him his insulin medication, his trial was told.

Xiao’s trial for the manslaughter of Danielle Carr-Gomm, who died in Wiltshire in October 2016, heard that he was convicted of manslaughter by an Australian court in that case.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-41444527.html
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Update.

An alternative healer has been jailed for 10 years for the manslaughter of a 71-year-old diabetic woman who stopped taking insulin at his slapping therapy workshop.

Danielle Carr-Gomm died in October 2016 while taking part in the Paida Lajin therapy event, which sees patients being slapped or slapping themselves repeatedly.

Hongchi Xiao, of Cloudbreak, California, was convicted by a jury in July at Winchester Crown Court of manslaughter by gross negligence after he failed to get medical help for Ms Carr-Gomm at the event in Wiltshire. He was also sentenced to a further five years on extended licence after his time in prison.

The 61-year-old was extradited for the trial from Australia, where he had previously been prosecuted after a six-year-old boy also died when his parents withdrew his insulin medication after attending the defendant's workshop in Sydney.

Mr Justice Bright added Xiao will be liable to be deported to America after serving his sentence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1el71pq2e1o
 
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