Amelia Earhart

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I lobbied the Nautilus expedition via a third party and social media to take a look at Orona. My contact says that the idea was mentioned in early planning but never was included in any expedition operations. Very low chance that it will be included. I remain hopeful.

The Nautilus has been at Nikumaroro for 6 days of exploration. The ship has AIS data turned off but you can see infrequent satellite position report at vesselfinder.com. Just expand the map around the Phoenix Islands; the blue dot is the Nautilus and the pink is a sailing yacht that provides for the land based explorers.

My observation of the ships movement so far indicates they have covered most of the island reef shelf and has not lingered for any extended period of time at one location; indicates to me nothing of significance has been located. I hope Nautilus/Ballard and crew can review all the options. I hate to see them go home empty handed.
 

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Coconut crabs play a key role in TIGHAR’s hypothesis about what happened to Amelia Earhart after she and navigator Fred Noonan disappeared on July 2, 1937, on the third-to-last leg of their world flight. The group posits that when Earhart and Noonan couldn’t find Howland, the Pacific island they were aiming for, the aviators landed instead on Nikumaroro. That island, then called Gardner, is surrounded by a reef that could serve as a rough runway. Eventually, the theory goes, Noonan died, the plane floated off the reef, and Earhart was left alone on the island.

Except for the crabs.



By 1940, the British had established a colony on the island. That year, Gerald Gallagher, the island’s colonial administrator, sent a telegram telling his superiors that a partial human skeleton had been found “which is just possibly that of Amelia Earhardt [sic].” The bones—13 in total—were sent to Fiji to be examined, and subsequently lost.

There are 206 bones in an adult human skeleton—what happened to the 193 that weren’t found? Evidence points to the coconut crabs, who have earned their nickname “robber crabs.” When Gallagher described the site of the discovery he said that “coconut crabs had scattered many bones.” The omnivorous crabs will eat coconuts (of course), fallen fruit, birds, rodents, other crabs—and carrion.

TIGHAR has performed several experiments to see if the crabs would drag bones back to their burrows. In one, they brought a pig carcass to the island and filmed what happened to it. Crabs—coconut crabs plus the smaller, more numerous strawberry hermit crabs—swarmed the body, removing most of the flesh within two weeks.

A year after the experiment they discovered some bones had been dragged 60 feet from the body, but they couldn’t account for all of the remains.

King thinks it’s likely that Earhart perished on the island as a castaway. After she died, the crabs consumed her body and dragged her bones into their burrows—except of course for the thirteen that Gallagher discovered.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2019/08/colossal-crabs-hold-clue-amelia-earhart-fate/

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It seems that the Ladies and Gentlemen on this Forum have not seen or read this website:

DNS error results from the originally posted version of the URL. The correct URL is:

https://earhartsearchpng.com

It describes the project to re-locate aircraft wreckage seen by an Australian Army patrol in jungle terrain in 1945.
Takes a while to read it through all the chapters and contains written evidence pointing to the ownership of the wreckage.

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Well that particular site is apparently new to me, but I've seen the story about the find in the jungle. I took a quick look just now, but the connection does not seem any more plausible now than it did when I read about it some years ago. The whole two-way trip thing seems particularly far fetched to me.

There are many stories similar to this one, including the one in which a group of US Marines (if memory serves) were ordered to douse the Electra with gasoline and burn it in the aftermath of the war. I wonder if anyone has bothered to catalogue all the various "solutions" to the mystery that have sprung up over the last 80 years.
 

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Well that particular site is apparently new to me, but I've seen the story about the find in the jungle. ...
I, too, recall reading and discussing the hypothesis that the Electra turned back and crashed somewhere in the jungle in the PNG area. However, I can't find any trace of it here on these forums. It must have been on another site ...
 

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Out of curiosity, I opened my Google Maps and zoomed into Palmyra Atoll.
It was easy enough to find the aircraft, which is, I suppose, more or less the right light metallic colour.
The wing shape does't look quite right though and there seems to be the hint of some light insignia on both wings (like the WW2 star motif?).
More importantly, although the island is uninhabited, during WW2 an airstrip was built and this aircraft appears to be close to the Western end of the airstrip. Seems to me far more likely to be a wartime aircraft that misjudged its landing and spun off into the trees, than Earhart's Electra.

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Out of curiosity, I opened my Google Maps and zoomed into Palmyra Atoll.
It was easy enough to find the aircraft, which is, I suppose, more or less the right light metallic colour.
The wing shape does't look quite right though and there seems to be the hint of some light insignia on both wings (like the WW2 star motif?).
More importantly, although the island is uninhabited, during WW2 an airstrip was built and this aircraft appears to be close to the Western end of the airstrip. Seems to me far more likely to be a wartime aircraft that misjudged its landing and spun off into the trees, than Earhart's Electra.

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Yes. I'd have thought that some visitor on the ground would have seen it at some point. That airstrip must have been used in recent years, otherwise it would be grown over by now.
 

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Out of curiosity, I opened my Google Maps and zoomed into Palmyra Atoll.
It was easy enough to find the aircraft, which is, I suppose, more or less the right light metallic colour.
The wing shape does't look quite right though and there seems to be the hint of some light insignia on both wings (like the WW2 star motif?).
More importantly, although the island is uninhabited, during WW2 an airstrip was built and this aircraft appears to be close to the Western end of the airstrip. Seems to me far more likely to be a wartime aircraft that misjudged its landing and spun off into the trees, than Earhart's Electra.

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To my amazement, this seems to be shoddy journalism from the Express </heavy sarcasm>. 5 minutes' googling tells me that the plane in question is a Lockheed Model 18 Lodestar which crashed in 1980 as it was ferrying a group of radio hams to the island. Thankfully, there were no fatalities.

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There's a much more interesting story about Palmyra without having to shoehorn Earhart into the place.
 

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To my amazement, this seems to be shoddy journalism from the Express </heavy sarcasm>. 5 minutes' googling tells me that the plane in question is a Lockheed Model 18 Lodestar which crashed in 1980 as it was ferrying a group of radio hams to the island. Thankfully, there were no fatalities.

Photograph source

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There's a much more interesting story about Palmyra without having to shoehorn Earhart into the place.
Well spotted! Well it was a Lockheed I suppose.
 
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