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American Mass Shooting Conspiracy Theories

sciotofloods

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There seems to be a growing tide of conspiracy theories cropping up around the recent epidemic of mass shootings in the US.
Most are being propagated by anti-government, right-wing, libertarian types.

They point out a lot of confusing and conflicting evidence that has cropped up in many cases. For example the fact that shooters sometime seemed drugged and/or hypnotized during and after the event, the presence of weapons/ammo/equipment nearby but not in the alleged shooter's possession, conflicting eyewitness accounts of two or more shooters at events supposedly perpetrated by lone gunman, etc.

The implicit (and sometimes explicit) point being that these shooters are drones and/or patsies being controlled by someone else (most likely the US government).

The general narrative is that it is being done by Obama to create public support for very strict gun control. Then once the citizenry is disarmed and defenseless, he will unleash his evil Marxist/socialist/Islamist/UN-sponsored plan to make us all eat tofu and be homosexual.

I didn't want to go to far down the rabbit hole of these theories and post lots of links. I just noticed that no one had posted on this yet, so I thought I'd bring it up for discussion.
 
sciotofloods said:
The general narrative is that it is being done by Obama to create public support for very strict gun control. Then once the citizenry is disarmed and defenseless, he will unleash his evil Marxist/socialist/Islamist/UN-sponsored plan to make us all eat tofu and be homosexual.

Well, I expected that much - but this one is new to me:

Iran Blames ‘Israeli Death Squads’ for Sandy Hook Shooting

Iran’s state-run PressTV, which has developed a well-earned reputation for publishing incendiary anti-Israel conspiracy theories, ran a story Tuesday espousing the belief that Israeli "death squads" are to blame for the Sandy Hook shooting.

Michael Harris, a one-time Republican candidate for governor of Arizona, cited “Israeli revenge” in, what he called, “the terrorist attack in Connecticut.”

Harris, who came in third place in the 2006 Republican primary, which Len Munsil won before falling to Democrat Janet Napolitano, is now the Phoenix-based financial editor of Veterans Today, a conspiracy-minded “military and foreign affairs journal” whose editorial board includes former Pakistani and Russian spies, The Hill reported.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... NDa3DGcX20
 
There's a bunch of them here:
  • :arrow: Adam Lanza and James Holmes' Fathers Were Both Scheduled to Testify in the LIBOR Bank Scandal Hearings
    :arrow: Obama orchestrated the shootings in Newtown and Aurora to force Cerebus to Sell Bushmaster
    :arrow: The Dark Knight Returns Predicted the Aurora Shooting, and the Sandy Hook Shooting, and Hurricane Sandy
    :arrow: A Secret Society Used The Hunger Games as a Model in Drugging Adam Lanza to Carry Out a Mass Killing to Provide the Pretext to Take Away Our Freedoms
http://gawker.com/5969532/the-insane-sa ... nd-twitter

Meanwhile, Icke starts off with The Dark Knight Rises conspiracy (it features a map showing a "Sandy Hook") and goes off on one:

David Icke said:
Just a coincidence ... nothing to worry about ... Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Dark Knight Rises is classic Saturn symbolism (see Wembley event) and Satanists worship Saturn.

Remember this was the same movie playing on the night of its release in July at the theatre in Aurora, Colorado, when a gunman (gunmen in truth) killed12 people and injured 58 - an attack blamed on the clearly bewildered and mind-controlled James Holmes.

Paedophile and Satanic rings working ultimately as one unit are the foundation of global control and connect into the drug rings and secret society network.

Working together they form the global Establishment manipulating events in every country.

And Satanists worship and serve their masters through death and destruction.
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7696 ... r-disaster
 
It's difficult to be more depressing than some bloke venting his frustrations by killing a bunch of little kids, but the conspiracists are certainly giving it a try.
 
I'm not that conspiracy minded, but some questions do keeping popping up over these incidents.

I put most of them down to shoddy "journalism", but it is enough to make one wonder....
 
After only a bit of Internet research it's clear that the conspiracy theorists are really going for it! The footage on YouTube of Robert Parker, the father of Emilie Parker (one of the child victims) is unusual and is used by just about every poster. He is clearly seen smiling and laughing just before talking to camera about the death of his daughter. This is been held up by theorists as evidence that he and the other grieving families are actors - that would be a big secret to keep for a lot of people!

It is a bit odd though...
 
It was Alex Jones vs Piers Morgan on CNN last night...

US shock jock Alex Jones accused Piers Morgan of being part of a global conspiracy to take guns away from American citizens in a bizarre rant on the former Daily Mirror editor’s CNN show.

During a heated appearance in what was supposed to be a debate, Mr Jones challenge Mr Morgan to a boxing match, mocked his English accent and predicted a second American Revolutionary War if new gun controls were brought in.

He was invited on to the show after launching a White House petition to deport Mr Morgan in the wake of his calls for new gun controls after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.

‘I’m here to tell you, 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms,’ Mr Jones shouted at Mr Morgan.

‘It doesn’t matter how many lemmings you get out there in the street begging for them to have their guns taken. We will not relinquish them. Do you understand?’

When Mr Morgan ended a segment by referring to Mr Jones as the man who wanted him deported, he responded with the words: ‘It’s to point out you’re a foreigner, a red coat, here telling us what to do. Go back to where they took the guns if you don’t like it.’
Includes video:
http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/08/pro-gun-a ... e-3342681/
 
stellabud said:
After only a bit of Internet research it's clear that the conspiracy theorists are really going for it! The footage on YouTube of Robert Parker, the father of Emilie Parker (one of the child victims) is unusual and is used by just about every poster. He is clearly seen smiling and laughing just before talking to camera about the death of his daughter. This is been held up by theorists as evidence that he and the other grieving families are actors - that would be a big secret to keep for a lot of people!

It is a bit odd though...

Sedatives, perhaps?
 
Zilch5 said:
stellabud said:
After only a bit of Internet research it's clear that the conspiracy theorists are really going for it! The footage on YouTube of Robert Parker, the father of Emilie Parker (one of the child victims) is unusual and is used by just about every poster. He is clearly seen smiling and laughing just before talking to camera about the death of his daughter. This is been held up by theorists as evidence that he and the other grieving families are actors - that would be a big secret to keep for a lot of people!

It is a bit odd though...

Sedatives, perhaps?
Or, inappropriate response due to shock? I've no idea what my mental state would be in that situation.

But of course, for the real gun-nuts, it's all about them and their semi-automatic toys. That's why the State staged the whole massacre, using actors. Because the only thing real in this World are the sweaty fat slobs sitting in their semen stained underpants, in their mom's basement and sucking on Alex Jones's big fat internet teats.
 
Alex Jones is completely rabid. Amazing that anybody takes him seriously.

Edit: Why mention 1776? Seriously, does this asshat believe that Britain will try to take America back? :roll:
 
Mythopoeika said:
Alex Jones is completely rabid. Amazing that anybody takes him seriously.

Edit: Why mention 1776? Seriously, does this asshat believe that Britain will try to take America back? :roll:
He has had, conspiracy theory loonie, Lyndon LaRouche on his show on a regular basis. Maybe, some of LaRouche's beliefs, that British Royal family is secretly ruling the World, have rubbed off on him.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.nl/2007/10/is-alex-jones-larouche-kook.html

I'm not a big fan of Piers Morgan (who is?) and my personal opinion on the US gun issue is that it's a US issue, of deeply held, often contradictory, views and beliefs and foreigners, by and large, should steer well clear. However, the sort of faecal bilge, web-jocks like Jones, Icke, & etc. pump out on a regular basis, is truly toxic.
 
I do agree in theory that gun control is in essence a topic of discussion for the US - but the ludicrous conspiracy theories certainly are open for ridicule to us all.

And...here's another one...

Conspiracy theory professor says Sandy Hook shooting may not have happened
Professor James Tracy asserts the shooting may have happened differently, if at all
Teaches Culture of Conspiracy at Florida Atlantic University
School has distanced themselves from the tenured professor


Outrageous claims made by a professor who specializes in conspiracy theories are set to provoke grieving family by saying that the Sandy Hook massacre may not have happened at all.
James Tracy, a tenured history professor at Florida Atlantic University, wrote a lengthy post on his personal blog saying that the shooting that left 20 children and six teachers dead may not have happened the way that it is widely believed, if it happened at all.
Backed solely by the erroneous early reports filed during the midst of the horrendous incident, Mr Tracy 's claim is preying on the confusion of the tragic day.
'While it sounds like an outrageous claim, one is left to inquire whether the Sandy Hook shooting ever took place -- at least in the way law enforcement authorities and the nation's news media have described,' he has said.
The 47-year-old professor bases his outrageous claims largely on the flurry of conflicting media reports that were made as news of the shooting was released throughout the day on December 14.
As with many conspiracy theorists who find darker linings in even the most horrific tragedies, this is far from his first foray into the world of the unproven.
Mr Tracy has written a number of book chapters about media coverage of wars, economic overhauls, and union negotiations.
On his blog, however, he has hit a number of the classic conspiracy theories: the September 11 attacks, the purview of the Department of Homeland Security, the PATRIOT Act, the death of Osama bin Laden and Fukishima have all been topics of interest.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2HRUTpyfw
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Behind the ‘Sandy Hook Truther’ Conspiracy Video That Five Million People Have Watched in One Week

"This is a simple, logical video," the text on the screen reads. "No aliens, holigrams, rituals or anything like that, just facts." (All sic.) There's some light piano (from Guns 'n Roses' "Estranged") playing in the background. "New information comes up every single days, so by the time you see this video there may be a lot more evidence that has come to light." In a few seconds, the guitar solo kicks in.

You're watching "The Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed," the most comprehensive summary of the bizarre "Sandy Hook Truther" movement you can find on the internet. It's also the most popular: in the seven days since it was posted, it's racked up 5.5 million hits. "I... honestly would have spent more time on it if I had known it would explode," the guy who created the video told me.

It only took a few days after Adam Lanza opened fire inside Sandy Hook Elementary School for conspiracy theories to pop up on the internet. We covered a bunch of them at the time, each less likely than the last: Lanza's father was due to testify in hearings about a banking scandal, and the shooting was a distraction; Obama orchestrated the shootings to enact gun control laws; The Dark Knight Returns and/or Hunger Games predicted the shooting.

As it turns out, the one that stuck was maybe the most unlikely of all: the Sandy Hook elementary shooting never happened at all. Or, that it did, in some way, but not as it was reported — there was more than one shooter, or not as many children died, or the parents we saw on television were actors.

Over the last month or so, the "Sandy Hook Truther" movement has taken hold in the usual channels of internet conspiracy — sites like InfoWars and Natural News, message boards like Godlike Productions and Above Top Secret, and most importantly, on YouTube, where self-produced mini-documentaries like "The Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed" can make the leap from obscurity to viral success without any mainstream coverage at all.
More, and video at:
http://gawker.com/5976204/behind-the-sa ... n-one-week
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-BLEXeY3N8

If you deleted all the expletives in this there wouldn't be much left but it makes a very valid point. Leaving aside all the alleged grand conspiracy clues the media has failed to clear up the most fundamental of discrepancies in this incident - the man in the woods, all sorts of details of the actual shooting, his mother's occupation and why both he and his brother were alleged to have killed their father.
It's no wonder there are so many conspiracy believers for this incident when the media have handed them a prima facie case on a plate.
 
Bigfoot73 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-BLEXeY3N8

If you deleted all the expletives in this there wouldn't be much left but it makes a very valid point. Leaving aside all the alleged grand conspiracy clues the media has failed to clear up the most fundamental of discrepancies in this incident - the man in the woods, all sorts of details of the actual shooting, his mother's occupation and why both he and his brother were alleged to have killed their father.
It's no wonder there are so many conspiracy believers for this incident when the media have handed them a prima facie case on a plate.
Does that guy own any guns?
 
Not necessarily, but even if he had, it wouldn't detract from the fact that discrepancies remain. Much of this is not too difficult to explain, but the man in the woods is a mystery that remains unaccounted. The facts that he fled, that he was (according to witnesses) sat in the front seat of the police car (which is certainly unusual for a suspect), that his existence was later denied are certainly uncanny, and require an explanation, of which there is none until now.

Another strange, even funny feature is the Tweeter fundraiser page dated 10 december ! The date has been changed recently to 20 december, but screen captures remain to remind us that it was already there ten days earlier.

http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?i ... 45304n.jpg
http://www.youcaring.com/blog/archive.aspx
 
Panicky people doing panicky things like running away from the scene of the carnage or from police who challenge them. Panicky people mis-perceiving things and reporting random misinformation to the police. An overwhelmed police force trying to control the situation and investigate every random report in case there is any true danger still lurking, inevitably making mistakes and possibly covering them up in an effort to avoid lawsuits. An overwhelmed local government with no real crisis communications training trying to deal with the tsunami of international media that suddenly descends. Frenzied reporters and videographers trying to scoop each other, much more interested in in ratings than in veracity, that won't waste time retracting wrong information they reported previously. Random idiots and nut cases feeding rumors and made-up crap to the media and posting it on the internet in order to get their 15 minutes of fame.

So yes, it's pretty hard to see how discrepant information could ever arise.
 
Analis said:
Another strange, even funny feature is the Tweeter fundraiser page dated 10 december ! The date has been changed recently to 20 december, but screen captures remain to remind us that it was already there ten days earlier.

http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?i ... 45304n.jpg
Can you imagine seeing that, thinking enough of it to realize it hasn't happened yet so you should taking a screenshot, and then doing nothing else?

Must feel awfully guilty.
 
Sirhan Sirhan and Mark Chapman, not convinced myself but there are various theories about the CIA, brainwashing, mind control etc with both of them.
 
IamSundog said:
Panicky people doing panicky things like running away from the scene of the carnage or from police who challenge them. Panicky people mis-perceiving things and reporting random misinformation to the police. An overwhelmed police force trying to control the situation and investigate every random report in case there is any true danger still lurking, inevitably making mistakes and possibly covering them up in an effort to avoid lawsuits. [......]

So yes, it's pretty hard to see how discrepant information could ever arise.

It is easy to understand how inacuracies arise, but how these remarks could explain the video remains to be seen. It is strange at first for a suspect ordered to stand still to flee if he was not involved, a dangerous move in a country where many police officers believe that they are reincarnations of Wyatt Earp, and are prone to open fire. And I doubt that avoiding lawsuits is a concern for the police. There was a report that a parent was shortly wrongly handcuffed, and I don't believe that a lawsuit is pending.

I didn't follow the controversy closely, but some things are indeed a little weird. Here's a sample of what conspiracists see as remarkable, rightly or wrongly.
It seems that there was more than one 'announcement in advance' - the trouble being not that people saw them before it happened, only took a screenshot and did nothing else, - and in any case, what should they have done ? (screen captures were of course made after 14 december 2012) -, but that they existed at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc8HGPfF ... GFqCtr-BT#!


Another video on the elusive Adam Lanza himself :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmSKS4hw ... 2GFqCtr-BT

The author asserts that Adam Lanza's neighbour had not seen him for years, or even did not know him, that an altercation he supposedly had the day before probably never took place...
He also claims that there is no direct witness of the events, and that nobody reported seeing Adam Lanza at the school, that there is no reliable and verified scenario on how he came into the school.
 
Prozac was on trial in the book The Power to Harm, which was the suit of the survivors and relatives of the dead after a workplace shooting.
It was eventually settled out of court, but it is illuminating on big pharmacy, FDA testing and the American Justice system.
 
How is media inaccuracy in the fog of battle proof of anything but them jumping the gun? So do the nutters think there were real kids? Or was the whole thing a production? So either these kids were kiled by the evil gun grabbing government (pretty extreme) or they never existed. Just because you don't know the kids doesnt mean they didnt exist, that is pretty self centered, almost solophist. The evil mainstream media didn't just make up these peoples life stories, there are 1000s of people who knew someone killed in Newtown, you not knowing them means nothing. You not seeing a broken window, that also means nothing. You not understanding how people show grief, well that makes you both insensitive and ignorant.
Don't the nutters just throw ideas like a 2nd gunman out there because thats what other better conspiracy theories like JFK did? If there was a 2nd gunmen no one anywhere has an interest in hiding that. Its like columbine, oh there must be 3 shooters because the media said there were two. No rhyme or reason as to why anyone would lie about it, just because.
I know it hurts, but no one really cares about your gun. No one is faking massacres because they fear an armed revolt of bubbas led by Alex Jones. Youtube videos on sandy hook are scary, i didn't know there were that many insane people on Youtube. Its disgusting how totally up their own arses these sandy hook truthers are, based on no evidence, zero evidence they invent all these insane ideas and then harass the people affected. People who really don't need any more shit in their lives.
 
The masterplan

The mass shootings are part of the masterplan.
 
The Sandy Hook shooting and the Aurora shootings both have all sorts of strange things which make no sense. First and foremost why they chose to shoot up people they don't know with the weapons which are on the hot list for banning. In Sandy Hook the "AR15" rifle they say they found in the car trunk is clearly not an AR15 (I watched it and know what they look like), yet that turns into "He did it with an AR15."
I know it is hard to comprehend that they would do things like this, but I'd suggest you consider that this is the same group of people pushing for an illegal war of aggression based on lies, and with more dead children than died at Sandy Hook (Syria). US drone strikes make Obama is responsible for many more dead children than Adam Lanza supposedly was. They just call them "collateral damage." So to say that killing children to push an agenda is too evil to be possible is to ignore what you can see for yourself happening, where they admit to doing exactly that. It's just children far away with lots of lies to make it easier to stomach.

To those who say "They don't want your guns.": Since Sandy Hook, the state of Connecticut banned AR15's(and a long list of other guns and magazines). So as you accuse gun owners of being delusional, you prove yourself to be delusional.
 
lkb3rd said:
First and foremost why they chose to shoot up people they don't know with the weapons which are on the hot list for banning.

It's the best selling semi-auto rifle in the US (or was) - why would he not have one? And people shoot people they don't know quite a lot of the time - unless of course you're claiming that all gun related deaths involving strangers are false flags - that would involve quite some administration.

In Sandy Hook the "AR15" rifle they say they found in the car trunk is clearly not an AR15 (I watched it and know what they look like), yet that turns into "He did it with an AR15."...

You're right - the weapon in the car trunk was not an AR-15. Lanza took several weapons on his spree and left a shotgun in the trunk of his car. The fact that film footage and information didn't marry in the early stages of reporting is really no mystery - it happens all the time.

Why anyone would even think that the gun would end up in the boot of his car after the killings, and that this wasn't just basic misreporting, is beyond me - and why those pesky false-flag engineers would make such a crashingly basic mistake (the best selling rifle in the US, fuck it, a shotgun will do, no-one'll ever notice - like someone replacing a stolen Land Rover Discovery with a Ford Fiesta and expecting no-one to notice) is similarly something I can't quite get my head around.

This is all old news.
 
From a mass shooting in Los Angeles International Airport, November 1th 2013.
Supposedly a person who was shot. Looks strangely like a dummy.

Links are dead. Videos have been removed from YouTube.
 
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