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Ancient Complex Machines (Evidence & Examples)

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Granted my mathematical knowledge is pretty poor, but so far as I can see there is nothing complicated about the concept of Turing machines and no reason why they couldn't have existed (conceptually) prior to the 20th century. Does anyone know what the necessary mathemtical underpinning to come up with the idea of a Turing machine is and when/where maths was sophisticated enough to allow the development of the theory?
 
Although the mathematical structure of a Turing Machine is not overly complex ( any machine is just a number, after all ) what makes it complicated is what the number represents. The conceptual framework of the calculating machine as mathematical model seems to have arrived over some time - starting with Algorithms, which I believe are named after an iranian mathematician around the 9th century - but really only taking off after the great explosion of theoretical mathematics around the start of the 20th century. The idea that a number could represent a process requires understanding of that process and the idea that it can be analysed in a purely mathematical fashion. This combination has not really been around for very long, I think it is pretty much Turing's great innovation.

So although it is a simple enough idea, or thought experiment, to put it more correctly, I would say it took quite a specific set of circumstances for that thought to take place at all.
 
From New Scientist.
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99995103

Original article includes pictures.

Spiral ring reveals ancient complex machines


19:00 10 June 04

NewScientist.com news service

Distinctive spiral patterns carved into a small jade ring show that China was using complex machines more than 2500 years ago, says a Harvard graduate student in physics.

The ring was among the goods found in high-status graves from China's "Spring and Autumn Period" from 771 to 475 BC. Most archaeological attention has focused on larger and more spectacular jade and bronze artifacts. But Peter Lu identified the patterns on the small rings as Archimedes' spirals, which he believes are the oldest evidence of compound machines.

Simple machines that move in only one way date back at least 5000 years, to the invention of the potter's wheel. But it took much longer to invent compound machines, which precisely convert motion from one kind into another.

Archimedes is sometimes credited with building an undescribed compound machine to move ships in the harbour of Syracuse in the third century BC, but the earliest well-accepted descriptions were by Hero of Alexandria in the first century AD.

Old record player

Specialists believe most ancient Chinese jades were hand-carved, but Lu thought the spirals on the jade rings were machine-made as soon as Jenny So, an art historian at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, showed him one at the Smithsonian Institution.

"I said I bet you could do it with a modified bow drill, and she looked at me as if I had two heads," Lu told New Scientist.

Challenged to prove he was right, Lu built a spiral-carving machine around an old record player. It resembles the bow drill that Boy Scouts traditional use to start fires without matches.

He wrapped a string tightly around the spindle on the turntable, and attached its ends to a rod that ran between mounts on either side of the turntable (see diagram). Holes in the mounts held the rod so it could move back and forth along its length, but not sideways. A stylus attached to the rod rested on the turntable. Moving the rod back and forth turned the turntable, so the fixed stylus wrote a spiral on the surface.

Circumstantial evidence

"There is no prima face evidence that this is how they did it," Lu admits. But the circumstantial evidence is strong.

The spirals neatly match the Archimedian shape, and their center is at the centre of the ring, which could be cut that way by turning the jade with the stylus fixed in place. The spiral carvings are also noticeably more uniform than other jade patterns.

The rings date from at least 552 BC, and while there is no evidence of earlier spiral rings, Lu says nobody has been looking for them.

Meanwhile, Lu is turning back to his graduate work in physics. On Friday he has to talk to astronauts on the International Space Station about an experiment he has on board to study how liquids and gases change phase.

Journal reference: Science (vol 304, p 1638)


Jeff Hecht
 
Another report:

China had first complex machines

Craftsmen in ancient China were using complex machines to work jewellery long before such devices are traditionally thought to have been invented.

Dr Peter Lu claims spiral grooves on 2,550-year-old jade rings must have been made by a precision "compound" machine.

As the name suggests, compound machines comprise two or more machines with different motion that have been linked together to perform precision work.

Dr Lu, of Harvard University, US, has published his research in Science.

Previously, the earliest known historical references to compound machines come from writings attributed to Hero of Alexandria that are dated to the First Century AD.

OLDEST COMPOUND MACHINE
Consisted of two or more machines working together
Contained a stylus suspended over a rotating turntable
Created evenly spaced grooves on a jade ring

Carved decorations on jades from ancient China are generally thought to have been made by hand, or with simple machines that worked with a single movement.

The ornamental jade burial rings reported in Science come from the so-called Spring and Autumn period (771 to 475 BC) and have been excavated from hoards and from tombs belonging to ancient officials and nobles.

The machine that carved the grooves would have linked rotational and linear motion, perhaps using a stylus suspended over a rotating turntable, says Dr Lu.

"The complex machine that created these spiral grooves may also be among the ancestors of the crank in China... sculptures to have mechanised a variety of agricultural processes such as milling and winnowing," Dr Lu writes in Science magazine.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/3792819.stm

Published: 2004/06/10 22:26:29 GMT

© BBC MMIV
 
Terry Jones, in his TV series on the Romans, reckoned that the Romans were perfectly capable of building complex machines but didn't because they had slaves to do all their work.

He showed a coin-operated mechanism invented by them which I think dispensed some kind of religious tokens. So they could, they just didn't.
 
I saw a program somewhere on a man named Heron of Alexandria. The Greeks called him Mekanos, the machine-man. He lived around the time of Christ, I believe, and was responsible for inventing many amazing things, among which was a coin-operated "holy water" dispenser for the temples (like escargot mentioned), automatically-opening doors, automatons and clockwork animals (among which was a singing metal bird), mechanical devices for plays, and even a simple form of programming based on ropes and notches. He was able to use this to program moving set pieces for human plays and later to create wholly artificial "robotic" plays, devoid of human actors. A primitive steam engine was also among his creations. I'm pretty sure you can find his stuff reconstructed online.

The Greeks also had the Antikitera computer, or whatever it was called, and I think the Minoans had some sort of printing press, or something capable of generating artificial type. I've always found the Roman odometer interesting as well.
 
Sure you dont mean Hero? I've never heared of Heron.

Created a rather nifty steam-motor that operated a little toy.

Never caught on though...
 
... I think the Minoans had some sort of printing press, or something capable of generating artificial type. ...

You're referring to the Phaistos Disk, on which over 200 signs / symbols appear - all reflecting a standardized means of inscribing individual characters.

The Phaistos Disk is more often cited as the oldest artifact to which printing was applied rather than the oldest artifact that printed something else.

See Also:

The Phaistos Disk
http://forum.forteantimes.com/index.php?threads/the-phaistos-disk.6509/
 
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