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Ancient Tribes Still Roam The Earth!

Human_84

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Guys, I've heard people talk about this, and seen a special on national geographic about it in full video. This is some of the most interesting stuff I've ever come across.

Apparently in the congo, northern russia, new zealand, and elsewhere still exist to this day tribes of people with ancient ways. These people know nothing of newage medicine, cars, planes, or any of our common technology. They still run around throwing spears and living in caves.


Morally, what is the right thing to do with them?

1) Leave them alone and let them be prone to disease which people in the western world can just take a pill for?

2) Interrupt their society and way of life, and push on them new ways for higher standards of living with our 'great' technology?


This is a real thing, please add information if you can come across it!!!
 
I would be surprised, but fascinated, if such tribes existed in New Zealand. Do you have any references for this?
 
^ ^ ^ Well on national geographic they had a white guy with a huge group of black people roaming around in this jungle for this tribe of people. They had never seen a white man before and the entire meeting was caught on tape. It was really a death wish because they only knew of stories of white men, and to them a white man was the devil. They were shown watches, compasses, a radio, many other things. A man took an extreme fascination to a spoon. Hours later, the tribe was happy to see the white man leave, it was very un-nerving for them. This video was shot in 2002 i beleive.

I school teacher once told me of a thing back in the 70's where they took helicopters down onto this villiage and gave them pennacillen, all these new drugs. In the news it was a big thing at the time.
 
But was this really in New Zealand? I am not aware of any indigenous black tribes in NZ; the Maori look similar to Pacific Islanders and even before NZ was colonised were realtively technologically advanced. They certainly would not be freaked out by a spoon!
 
IIRC, and sorry I don't have details, there was a book published a few years ago about tribes living in the Andamans & Nicobar (since devestated by the tsunami :cry: ) who are more-or-less "stone age" or "pre-contact".

As far as what is the ethical or moral thing to do, take the above example: "Oh, no tsunami relief (or future warning systems) for them, it would disrupt their culture." [???] OTOH, I'm well aware of all the destruction and evil that has been committed against native peoples in the name of *progress*.

{shrugs}
 
lopaka, interesting.

quake, I'm not certainly positive it was new zealand. Like 80% sure though.
 
Human_84 said:
quake, I'm not certainly positive it was new zealand. Like 80% sure though.

Could you provide any extra information then that would allow us to find out what NG documentary it was?
 
I thought it was Papa New Guinea. I remember one of the white guys going to the toilet and all the native guys crowding roound to look as they wanted to see what colour his poo was! This tribe had never been to the next valley.
 
Human_84 said:
^ ^ ^ Well on national geographic they had a white guy with a huge group of black people roaming around in this jungle for this tribe of people. They had never seen a white man before and the entire meeting was caught on tape. It was really a death wish because they only knew of stories of white men, and to them a white man was the devil. They were shown watches, compasses, a radio, many other things. A man took an extreme fascination to a spoon. Hours later, the tribe was happy to see the white man leave, it was very un-nerving for them. This video was shot in 2002 i beleive.
It was New Guinea, not New Zealand. There are still highland tribes that haven't seen many white men up there.
 
Based in New Guinea, this seems somewhat more believable. Still the Spoon business is a bit worrying. although some of them there white sheep herders in back-country New Zealand might be fascinated by poo, or spoons or indeed penicilin.. Let alone running water!
:D
 
I believe there are still a few uncontacted tribes in Amazonia; they are certainly aware of the 'white man' and may have the usual products of civilisation (plastic bowls, metal tools) from trading with their neighbours, but may still kill anyone straying onto their territory. Generally, they get left alone.

(And why aren't we worried about non-stone-age cultures and what a devastating effect Pop Idol etc might have on them?)
 
ok, could of been papau new gunea (bad spelling). But still, think about all the openness of northern russia, the amazon of course, congo, remote pacific islands, etc..

Imagine dropping one of those guys off in midtown manhattan.
 
Kenneth Good's book 'Into The Heart' about spending time with a 'primitive' tribe is good for this - he brings a wife back to the 'civilised' world.

Their reaction seems to be much as you'd expect - our world is noisy and smelly, but has lots of food. It seems to be much easier to move from their world to ours than vice versa.

I don't think they're as impressed by new technology as we are, because a wind-up gramophone is no less surprising than an iPod if you've never come across it. Mainly though I think our lack of social structure is what stands out - we are all strangers to each other, which doesn't happen in less-developed cultures.
 
Here we go!

This was on the "ON THIS DAY" thing on Forteantimes.com, bottom right. This is for today april 27'th. So this is just another example of the stuff I'm talking about with this thread here. Not to start it back up again.

"27 April. In 1990 the China News Agency reported that oil prospectors in the Taklemakan desert in Xinjiang province had found a tribe of more than 200 Turkic-speaking Uygurs living in a small oasis. They had no contact with the outside world since before the foundation of the Ch'ing dynasty in 1644. They had no government, schools, markets or any form of writing. Their houses were built of poplar wood. They hunted and followed a 'slash and burn' style of cultivation. A rough translation of Taklemakan is 'You go in, you don't come out,' which might explain the tribe's isolation."
 
Interesting, that is the same region where the 'white' mummies of mysterious origin were discovered. I dunno at all if this new tribe might be related but the fact that a whole group of people could be 'missing' for 400 years is fascinating.

Link here
http://sln.fi.edu/inquirer/mummy.html

I read somewhere that it was also the case in the far north of Russia that small related groups of people were only 'discovered' when officials were sent out to take censuses and so on.
 
The last of the lost tribes

It now seems there is nowhere left for a group of people to hide from our enquiring eyes (of course they can still hide inside the Hollow Earth but thats another matter ;) ):

Remote and Poked, Anthropology's Dream Tribe

By MARC LACEY
Published: December 18, 2005

LEWOGOSO LUKUMAI, Kenya - The rugged souls living in this remote desert enclave have been poked, pinched and plucked, all in the name of science. It is not always easy, they say, to be the subject of a human experiment.

"I thought I was being bewitched," Koitaton Garawale, a weathered cattleman, said of the time a researcher plucked a few hairs from atop his head. "I was afraid. I'd never seen such a thing before."

Another member of the tiny and reclusive Ariaal tribe, Leketon Lenarendile, scanned a handful of pictures laid before him by a researcher whose unstated goal was to gauge whether his body image had been influenced by outside media. "The girls like the ones like this," he said, repeating the exercise later and pointing to a rather slender man much like himself. "I don't know why they were asking me that," he said.

Anthropologists and other researchers have long searched the globe for people isolated from the modern world. The Ariaal, a nomadic community of about 10,000 people in northern Kenya, have been seized on by researchers since the 1970's, after one - an anthropologist, Elliot Fratkin - stumbled upon them and began publishing his accounts of their lives in academic journals.

Other researchers have done studies on everything from their cultural practices to their testosterone levels. National Geographic focused on the Ariaal in 1999, in an article on vanishing cultures.

But over the years, more and more Ariaal - like the Masai and the Turkana in Kenya and the Tuaregs and Bedouins elsewhere in Africa - are settling down. Many have migrated closer to Marsabit, the nearest town, which has cellphone reception and even sporadic Internet access.

The scientists continue to arrive in Ariaal country, with their notebooks, tents and bizarre queries, but now they document a semi-isolated people straddling modern life and more traditional ways.

"The era of finding isolated tribal groups is probably over," said Dr. Fratkin, a professor at Smith College who has lived with the Ariaal for long stretches and is regarded by some of them as a member of the tribe.

For Benjamin C. Campbell, a biological anthropologist at Boston University who was introduced to the Ariaal by Dr. Fratkin, their way of life, diet and cultural practices make them worthy of study.

Other academics agree. Local residents say they have been asked over the years how many livestock they own (many), how many times they have had diarrhea in the last month (often) and what they ate the day before yesterday (usually meat, milk or blood).

Ariaal women have been asked about the work they do, which seems to exceed that of the men, and about local marriage customs, which compel their prospective husbands to hand over livestock to their parents before the ceremony can take place.

The wedding day is one of pain as well as joy since Ariaal women - girls, really - have their genitals cut just before they marry and delay sex until they recuperate. They consider their breasts important body parts, but nothing to be covered up.

The researchers may not know this, but the Ariaal have been studying them all these years as well.

The Ariaal note that foreigners slather white liquid on their very white skin to protect them from the sun, and that many favor short pants that show off their legs and the clunky boots on their feet. Foreigners often partake of the local food but drink water out of bottles and munch on strange food in wrappers between meals, the Ariaal observe.

The scientists leave tracks as well as memories behind. For instance, it is not uncommon to see nomads in T-shirts bearing university logos, gifts from departing academics.

In Lewogoso Lukumai, a circle of makeshift huts near the Ndoto Mountains, nomads rushed up to a visitor and asked excitedly in the Samburu language, "Where's Elliot?"

They meant Dr. Fratkin, who describes in his book "Ariaal Pastoralists of Kenya" how in 1974 he stumbled upon the Ariaal, who had been little known until then. With money from the University of London and the Smithsonian Institution, he was traveling north from Nairobi in search of isolated agro-pastoralist groups in Ethiopia. But a coup toppled Haile Selassie, then the emperor, and the border between the countries was closed.

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So as he sat in a bar in Marsabit, a boy approached and, mistaking him for a tourist, asked if he wanted to see the elephants in a nearby forest. When the aspiring anthropologist declined, the boy asked if he wanted to see a traditional ceremony at a local village instead. That was Dr. Fratkin's introduction to the Ariaal, who share cultural traits with the Samburu and Rendille tribes of Kenya.

Soon after, he was living with the Ariaal, learning their language and customs while fighting off mosquitoes and fleas in his hut of sticks covered with grass.

The Ariaal wear sandals made from old tires and many still rely on their cows, camels and goats to survive. Drought is a regular feature of their world, coming in regular intervals and testing their durability.

"I was young when Elliot first arrived," recalled an Ariaal elder known as Lenampere in Lewogoso Lukumai, a settlement that moves from time to time to a new patch of sand. "He came here and lived with us. He drank milk and blood with us. After him, so many others came."

Over the years, the Ariaal have had hairs pulled not just from their heads, but also chins and chests. They have spat into vials to provide saliva samples. They have been quizzed about how often they urinate. Sometimes the questioning has become even more intimate.

Mr. Garawale recalls a visiting anthropologist measuring his arms, back and stomach with an odd contraption and then asking him how often he got erections and whether his sex life was satisfactory. "It was so embarrassing," recalled the father of three, breaking out in giggles even years later.

Not all African tribes are as welcoming to researchers, even those with the necessary permits from government bureaucrats. But the Ariaal have a reputation for cooperating - in exchange, that is, for pocket money.

"They think I'm stupid for asking dumb questions," said Daniel Lemoille, headmaster of the school in Songa, a village outside of Marsabit for Ariaal nomads who have settled down, and a frequent research assistant for visiting professors. "You have to try to explain that these same questions are asked to people all over the world and that their answers will help advance science."

The researchers arriving in Africa by the droves, probing every imaginable issue, every now and then leave controversy in their wake. In 2004, for instance, a Kenyan virologist sued researchers from Britain for taking blood samples out of the country that he said had been obtained from a Nairobi orphanage for H.I.V.-positive children without government permission.

The Ariaal have no major gripes about the studies, although the local chief in Songa, Stephen Lesseren, who wore a Boston University T-shirt the other day, said he wished their work would lead to more tangible benefits for his people.

"We don't mind helping people get their Ph.D.'s," he said. "But once they get their Ph.D.'s, many of them go away. They don't send us their reports. What have we achieved from the plucking of our hair? We want feedback. We want development."

Even when conflicts break out in the area, as happened this year as members of rival tribes slaughtered each other, victimizing the Ariaal, the research does not cease. With tensions still high, John G. Galaty, an anthropologist at McGill University in Toronto who studies ethnic conflicts, arrived in northern Kenya to question them.

In a study in The International Journal of Impotence Research, Dr. Campbell also found that Ariaal men with many wives showed less erectile dysfunction than did men of the same age with fewer spouses.

Dr. Campbell's body image study, published in The Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology this year, also found that Ariaal men are much more consistent than men in other parts of the world in their views of the average man's body and what they think women want.

Dr. Campbell came across no billboards or international magazines in Ariaal country and only one television in a local restaurant that played CNN, leading him to contend that Ariaal men's views of their bodies were less affected by media images of burly male models with six-pack stomachs and rippling chests.

To test his theories, a nonresearcher without a Ph.D. showed a group of Ariaal men a copy of Men's Health magazine full of pictures of impossibly well-sculpted men and women. The men looked on with rapt attention and admired the chiseled forms.

"That one, I like," said one nomad who was up in his years, pointing at a photo of a curvy woman who was clearly a regular at the gym.

Another old-timer gazed at the bulging pectoral muscles of a male bodybuilder in the magazine and posed a question that got everybody talking. Was it a man, he asked, or a very, very strong woman?

www.nytimes.com/2005/12/18/internationa ... tribe.html
 
Stone Age tribe kills fishermen

By Peter Foster in New Delhi
February 9, 2006


ONE of the world's last Stone Age tribes has murdered two fishermen whose boat drifted on to a desert island in the Indian Ocean.

The Sentinelese, thought to number between 50 and 200, have rebuffed all contact with the modern world, firing a shower of arrows at anyone who comes within range.

They are believed to be the last pre-Neolithic tribe in the world to remain isolated and appear to have survived the 2004 Asian tsunami.

The men killed, Sunder Raj, 48, and Pandit Tiwari, 52, were fishing illegally for mud crabs off North Sentinel Island, a speck of land in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands archipelago.

Fellow fishermen said they dropped anchor for the night on January 25 but fell into a deep sleep, probably helped by large amounts of alcohol. During the night their anchor, a rock tied to a rope, failed to hold their open-topped boat against the currents and they drifted towards the island.

"As day broke, fellow fishermen say they tried to shout at the men and warn them they were in danger," said Samir Acharya, the head of the Society for Andaman and Nicobar Ecology, an environmental organisation. "However they did not respond - they were probably drunk - and the boat drifted into the shallows where they were attacked and killed."

The Indian coast guard tried to recover the bodies using a helicopter but was met by a hail of arrows.

Photographs shot from the helicopter show the near-naked tribesmen rushing to fire. But the downdraught from its rotors exposed the two fishermen buried in shallow graves and not roasted and eaten, as local rumour suggested.

Attempts to recover the bodies have been suspended, although the Andaman Islands police chief, Dharmendra Kumar, said an operation might be mounted later.

Environmental groups urged the authorities to leave the bodies and respect the five-kilometre exclusion zone thrown around the island. In the 1980s and early 1990s many Sentinelese were killed in skirmishes with armed salvage operators who visited the island after a shipwreck. Since then the tribesmen have remained virtually undisturbed.

Source
 
anyone know anything else on these russian tribes? Im particularly intrigued by them
 
Is that homo studentis,the lesser spotted nocturnal undergrad, or homo antisocialis, the common chav?
 
I read that some time back.

Knowing about the Senitelese makes the world seem a safer place.
 
Vid at link.

Meet the last members of Bolivia's disappearing indigenous tribe
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21168061

26 January 2013 Last updated at 00:46 GMT

Two hundred years ago, the Pacahuara tribe was one of the main indigenous groups in Bolivia.

But in a few years their language and culture could vanish forever as the last members of the tribe die out without having passed their knowledge on to a new generation.

The BBC travelled to their village in a remote area of the northeast of the country to talk to the remaining members of the tribe.

Laura Plitt reports.

Video produced by BBC Mundo's Lorena Arroyo
 
Another "Lost Tribe", but a rather peculiar one. Vid at link.

Inside a Lost African Tribe Still Living in India Today

In the dense forests of South Asia, a native African tribe has been living in quiet obscurity for more than 500 years. Known as the Siddis, their ancestors originated from the Great Lakes region before being captured and brought to India as Arab slaves. When slavery was outlawed in the 18th and 19th centuries, the Siddis feared persecution and retreated into the forests, where they have been living ever since. Today, the Siddi people are considered to be in the lowest bracket of the Hindu caste system—the Sudras, or the "untouchables.” In this short film by photographer and filmmaker Asha Stuart, get a rare look inside the Siddi tribal villages and explore the cultural diversity of this African-Diaspora community.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...st-african-tribe-still-living-in-india-today/
 
There was a tribe of Aborigines that was first discovered in the 1980's, in if memory serves, Western Australia. I'm open to the possibility tht there might be more un-contacted groups to discover.
 
The Sentinelese, occupying North Sentinel Island in the Bay of Bengal occasionally make the news for killing any would-be visitors.
Their vehement distrust of any outsiders is legendary and they may have been isolated from the rest of humankind for even longer than Australian Aborigines. Although officially an Indian territory, the Indian authorities respect the tribe's isolationist wish and have regular patrols to ensure no-one approaches the island. The Sentinelese are a short, black-skinned people, with men averaging around 5ft 3" / 1.6m and, remarkably, their population appears to have remained between just 50 and 200 individuals for as long as their existence has been known.
This got me thinking about conditions for speciation. With extreme isolation and a very small gene pool, could the Sentinelese be on their way to becoming a distinct branch of the human family tree, rather like what happened to Homo floresiensis? Could we we witnessing homo sapiens sentinelensi in the making?

 
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