And I thought it sucked being an altar boy...
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Something of a bete noir... why on earth do we mulitlate our children for religion? There again, its one of the three truely common thing irrespective of race across our species:-
Use of halucenogenic drugs
Tattooing
Piercing, including unesscessary surgical procedures (circumcision, anyone?)
Makes one quietly despair
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Use of halucenogenic drugs
Tattooing
Piercing, including unesscessary surgical procedures (circumcision, anyone?)
Makes one quietly despair
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Social pressure is exerted on families to make them conform. In parts of Africa, for example, a girl is considered unmarriageable without the genital mutilation known euphemistically as 'female circumcision'.
Out of my 4 adult kids, 2 each sex, I now have 1 each sex with piercings & tattoos and the other 2 without!
It was their choice, I had no part in it as they were old enough. But here in N. England I regularly see tiny babies with pierced ears which shocks me.
When I worked with abused teenagers I met plenty with body piercings and elaborate tattoos. These were sometimes on kids as young as 12, both sexes. It wasn't a religious practice as they'd been involved in organised prostitution. I often wondered who'd done these mutilations on young children and where it had happened as it's illegal here in the UK. Holland was suggested.
Out of my 4 adult kids, 2 each sex, I now have 1 each sex with piercings & tattoos and the other 2 without!
It was their choice, I had no part in it as they were old enough. But here in N. England I regularly see tiny babies with pierced ears which shocks me.
When I worked with abused teenagers I met plenty with body piercings and elaborate tattoos. These were sometimes on kids as young as 12, both sexes. It wasn't a religious practice as they'd been involved in organised prostitution. I often wondered who'd done these mutilations on young children and where it had happened as it's illegal here in the UK. Holland was suggested.
Ok, let's not get too hasty and dismiss male infant circumcision.
You've seen the porn movies.
The uncircumcised are creepy and practically subhuman.
But for everything else you've said, I heartily agree.
On the other hand, African female circumcision is quite a different travesty. But if I'm not mistaken, the US gives safe harbor to those who will be sexually mutilated if they return to their homeland.
You've seen the porn movies.
The uncircumcised are creepy and practically subhuman.
But for everything else you've said, I heartily agree.
On the other hand, African female circumcision is quite a different travesty. But if I'm not mistaken, the US gives safe harbor to those who will be sexually mutilated if they return to their homeland.
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Es,
You have a vaild point there, its no longer exclusively a religious thing, but it orginated there. We just seem to justify doing some terrifying things to kids, in some very odd ways IMHO
Og,
So you think every man is boen with a surgically correctable deformity?
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You have a vaild point there, its no longer exclusively a religious thing, but it orginated there. We just seem to justify doing some terrifying things to kids, in some very odd ways IMHO
Og,
So you think every man is boen with a surgically correctable deformity?
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harlequin said:Og,
So you think every man is boen with a surgically correctable deformity?
I'm not judging, but even speaking as a guy, the uncut freak me out. Most females I know feel the same way. Maybe it's a North America thing.
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I suspect it is. I've certainly never had a complaint..... not about being uncut, anyway!
As for the photo at the start of the thread, scalp wounds apparently bleed profusely, so, although it's impossible to see the cut under all the gore, it may well be quite small, and leave no scar. Still seems a strange thing to subject your kids to, though - IMHO.
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Agree entirely with Derek about being uncut - I think it is a North American thing. I lived in NY state for a while, and at the gym everyone bar me was snipped.
I always thought a convertible was far cooler than a sports model, anyway: comes in useful, sometimes, having an organic balaclava for the old fella...
I always thought a convertible was far cooler than a sports model, anyway: comes in useful, sometimes, having an organic balaclava for the old fella...
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Hahahaha, you chaps and your willies! Convertibles and sports models indeed!
I've seen lots of willies, both in a professional and a personal capacity, and here in the UK 'convertibles' outnumber 'sports' heavily.
Incidentally, the 'circumcision' I originally mentioned was the female kind which is in no way comparable to the male type and is extremely painful, traumatic and radical and usually done with rusty razor blades and no anaesthetic on pre-teen North African girls.
I've seen lots of willies, both in a professional and a personal capacity, and here in the UK 'convertibles' outnumber 'sports' heavily.
Incidentally, the 'circumcision' I originally mentioned was the female kind which is in no way comparable to the male type and is extremely painful, traumatic and radical and usually done with rusty razor blades and no anaesthetic on pre-teen North African girls.
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Es,
I think youll find that I was the one who threw up the whole ghastly topic... Female circumscision is WHOLY reprehensible, and is an ad-on that Islam does not approve of!
As to male circumcision being an North American thing... it is. I personally hold the opinion that it alows Doctor's to load the medical bill for delivering a child with another, largely unnecessary procedure... and you don't even have to go to the expense of anesthetic!
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I think youll find that I was the one who threw up the whole ghastly topic... Female circumscision is WHOLY reprehensible, and is an ad-on that Islam does not approve of!
As to male circumcision being an North American thing... it is. I personally hold the opinion that it alows Doctor's to load the medical bill for delivering a child with another, largely unnecessary procedure... and you don't even have to go to the expense of anesthetic!
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As long as they are clean , uncut ones are much better - so many more fun things you can do with them ! There must be a reason for them or they wouldn't be there . If I was a bloke I'd be pissed off if someone had decided for me that I'd be better off without it . I was going to add something about dog's tails there but it came out kinky LOL .
Is there a law about the age you have to be for piercings ? Kids round here seem to have all sorts of piercings .
Is there a law about the age you have to be for piercings ? Kids round here seem to have all sorts of piercings .
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I agree - I don't like abridged versions. Having said that, though, I've known men who have had to be circumsized on medical grounds, due to painful things which you need not wot of.
I don't know what the deal about circumcision is, really. I mean, is it a cleanliness thing? Does it help with anything? (apart from the case I've already mentioned)
I don't know what the deal about circumcision is, really. I mean, is it a cleanliness thing? Does it help with anything? (apart from the case I've already mentioned)
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Marion said:
I think there are guidelines and piercers fall under the same category as tattooists. No sexual (prince alberts, labia THAT sort of thing) piercings for under 18s and only other body piercings for 16+ (belly buttons, lips, u name it, u pierce it!!).
oh, and guys: get a prince albert. convertable, sports or otherwise looks good and drives like a dream with a shiny new fender!
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I believe I have read somewhere that wives of circumcized men are less likely to suffer from cervical cancer (or some other disease in the panties region).Helen said:
Any medical types out there who can confirm or deny this?
punychicken said:
No danger! No-one is getting to punch holes in me to dangle bits of metal in, especially in the trouser region!
2 of my nephews were circumcised shortly after birth - excess skin, apparently, which can cause discomfort post-puberty, and puddles in the bathroom for life......
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The debate on this sensitive matter is alive and well on the Web, where
one can study photo sequences of US circumcised males who have
regrown their prepuces to spite the "hygienists" who whipped them
off in infancy.
Imagine the outrage if enthusiasts for a female mutilation were
to express their revulsion for the natural female organs and their secretions!
Face it, if this was something done to women, it would have
been outlawed years ago. The yet more barbaric female mutilations with the same
name are rightly consigned to the medical dustbin in the West. "Female
circumcision" was once a recommended treatment for "Nymphomania",
or female masturbation! Sadly it lingers as a supposed religious practice,
though the more housetrained apologists for Islam now tend to
disown it.
Quite how long it will be before we cease to regard routine infant male
circumcision as a needless mutilation will depend on how long it takes
us to recognize the sheer perversity of the act. Misguided respect for
religious tradition will allow this gross physical and sexual abuse of infants
to continue indefinitely, I guess. :cross eye
one can study photo sequences of US circumcised males who have
regrown their prepuces to spite the "hygienists" who whipped them
off in infancy.
Imagine the outrage if enthusiasts for a female mutilation were
to express their revulsion for the natural female organs and their secretions!
Face it, if this was something done to women, it would have
been outlawed years ago. The yet more barbaric female mutilations with the same
name are rightly consigned to the medical dustbin in the West. "Female
circumcision" was once a recommended treatment for "Nymphomania",
or female masturbation! Sadly it lingers as a supposed religious practice,
though the more housetrained apologists for Islam now tend to
disown it.
Quite how long it will be before we cease to regard routine infant male
circumcision as a needless mutilation will depend on how long it takes
us to recognize the sheer perversity of the act. Misguided respect for
religious tradition will allow this gross physical and sexual abuse of infants
to continue indefinitely, I guess. :cross eye
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What's smegma like?
I wouldn't know. The joy of convertibles is you can bathe with the hood down.
I often wondered how they make dolcelatte cheese though.
And Pritt Stick glue...
I wouldn't know. The joy of convertibles is you can bathe with the hood down.
I often wondered how they make dolcelatte cheese though.
And Pritt Stick glue...
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Did anyone read the report from a few years ago about Uganda and Aids.They were claiming the rate is so high there because most men are uncircumcised,whereas other areas where men are circumcised the rate is lower.There contention was a foreskin allowed the virus to multiply.An African Urban Myth?
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Ogopogo said:
NO!!!!
Dear boy!!!
One practices basic hygiene.
Or as one Royal Marine drill instructor demonstrated on TV a few years ago, one washes under the: "bell end".
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>Did anyone read the report from a few years ago about Uganda and Aids.They were claiming the rate is so high there because most men are uncircumcised,whereas other areas where men are circumcised the rate is lower.There contention was a foreskin allowed the virus to multiply.An African Urban Myth?<
I can't see how that can be true , the virus lives in the blood and secretions but surely the only life under a dirty foreskin is infections of bacteria and fungus ?
I can't see how that can be true , the virus lives in the blood and secretions but surely the only life under a dirty foreskin is infections of bacteria and fungus ?
wildman said:
Definitely sounds UL to me. As mentioned, AIDS is passed via blood/bodily fluid (?), and a bit of skin is unlikely (IMHO) to make any difference.
BTW, has anyone checked the variation in AIDS rate between cut/uncut homosexuals in the US (for example)?
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Ive heard that foreskin helps protect against VD's such as AIDS etc as it produces something that helps kill infections, It was on CNN tho so its doubtful 
I added a link down the bottom that talks about it, check it out.
I think the whole idea of getting your little jimmy hat cut off is disgusting and barbaric, Ogopogo said he thinks its subhuman to have foreskin, well considering humans are born with it I think that just shows the limit of this guys intelligence and ignorance. He lives in a country where most men are circumsised so of coarse this is the correct way and anything else is disgusting. We all know that his country is never wrong.
The other thing about getting cut is the sensitivity in your penis head over the years depletes making sex less enjoyable. I think ill keep my little hat and as long as you bathe regularly there is no danger of it getting smeg. I don’t think ive even heard of anyone I know getting it not that its the kind of thing you would broadcast but id rather have smeg than a dried up old prune looking cock head, Ill leave that to the Jews.
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/vanhowe4/
Look at the URL above, it says the circumcision rate in the USA is 85%, why? the only country near that is Israel and thats a jewish country, are the rumours about the USA being controlled by Jews true?
certainly looks like it from a penis's point of view.
I added a link down the bottom that talks about it, check it out. I think the whole idea of getting your little jimmy hat cut off is disgusting and barbaric, Ogopogo said he thinks its subhuman to have foreskin, well considering humans are born with it I think that just shows the limit of this guys intelligence and ignorance. He lives in a country where most men are circumsised so of coarse this is the correct way and anything else is disgusting. We all know that his country is never wrong.
The other thing about getting cut is the sensitivity in your penis head over the years depletes making sex less enjoyable. I think ill keep my little hat and as long as you bathe regularly there is no danger of it getting smeg. I don’t think ive even heard of anyone I know getting it not that its the kind of thing you would broadcast but id rather have smeg than a dried up old prune looking cock head, Ill leave that to the Jews.
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/vanhowe4/
Look at the URL above, it says the circumcision rate in the USA is 85%, why? the only country near that is Israel and thats a jewish country, are the rumours about the USA being controlled by Jews true?
certainly looks like it from a penis's point of view.
Interesting. Look what's posted on the New England Journal of Medicine website today:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/346/15/1105
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/346/15/1105
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Is this a practice confined to Judaism and the US only?
Regarding the US, Americans do tend to be a little more squeamish about things biological. Any hint of a natural odour, body hair or whatever is mercilessly purged with chemicals, and no-one will even drink from the same can as you without pulling a face. The scientific basis for this practice, if there is one, seems tenuous at best.
Regarding the US, Americans do tend to be a little more squeamish about things biological. Any hint of a natural odour, body hair or whatever is mercilessly purged with chemicals, and no-one will even drink from the same can as you without pulling a face. The scientific basis for this practice, if there is one, seems tenuous at best.
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Id rather have genital warts than aids, i think ill keep mine the way i was given it. Im glad my parents where kind enough to consider my feelings and give me the choice.
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rynner said:So God knew what was best when he told the Israelites to practise circumcision!
Er, but if that's so, why did He create man that way in the first place?
These mysteries are too deep for me.
That article only says that males with 4skin are less likely not to catch genital warts not HIV, males with 4skin are less likely to contract HIV according some sources so if you look at it that way it seems safer to keep it cos the warts arent half as bad as genital warts even tho they can cause cancer for Girls.