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Is there any solid evidence for angels? any winged

humans been found?

any currently in exsistance?
 
A very scary book called Aristotle's Masterpiece used to be put
into the hands of women when they married. It was not a real
work by the Ancient Greek author but a compilation of old wives'
tales giving an account of the facts of life, sort of, and a great
deal of frightful stuff about female plumbing and its disorders.

As a sprog I found a copy of this dismal volume hidden in
my mother's handkerchief-drawer. Naturally I was hooked.

The woodcut illustrations were disturbing and taken from old
pamphlets. They featured children born covered in hair, kids
with extra eyes and an apocalyptic creature born with wings
and the number 666 on its forehead.

To give birth to a child with wings it was necessary only for
a pregnant woman to be startled by a bird. There is also stuff
about a thing called "The Mole" which was a growth in the womb,
probably a tumour or a fibroid.

My mother confiscated that copy but I found another many years
later and it is fully as horrid as I recalled. I guess the illustrations
are already online somewhere.

What a splendid thing to give a pregnant woman!:eek:
 
Wasn't there a winged bat-woman seen flying over American soldiers during the Vietnam war? Mind you, if you believe the stories about Vietnam vets' LSD intakes...
 
I thought angels wings were the invention of medieval artists.

-Justin.
 
Nothing to do with Robbie Williams, although there is some kind of soul selling/possesion going on there...

...but, does anyone know of any mention of female angels, either biblic or otherwise.

:confused:

Elv.
 
Well, angels tend to be depicted as Female for some reason, although they are actually niether male nor female...they just appear feminine 'cos they're angelic...
 
Surely in a Biblic sense all angels were/are considered male?
Gabriel, Michael and even ol' scary Lucifer are all perceived to be male.
Maybe you're thinking of cherubs?
As far as I can discern, with my limited Bible knowledge, no angels were actually female. Maybe I'm wrong, or it could have something to do with the classic Biblic sexism.
 
In the biblical sense all the well known Archangels are male.

The only female angels that I currently know about are -
Lilith, Satans bride, Adams first wife (Judaism)
Spenta Armaiti (Zoroastrian angel) gods first daughter.

If you look up about other religions and cultures I am sure you will find evidence of female angels.

lucydru
 
Thanks very much for the information.
This is exactly what I was after,
cheers.
 
Has anyone ever seen an angel?

I haven't but I do feel when one is around me cos I feel something sitting on or hovering around my left shoulder (possible guardian angel). And this seems crazy but I have a angel that just looks after car parking spaces for me (even though I can't drive). Where ever I go if the car park looks extra full I will just say to whom ever I may be with, "don't worry I have a car parking angel". I don't ever recall a time where I have said it and we haven't found a space to park and most times it's in a good place too.

lucydru
 
"And this seems crazy but I have a angel that just looks after car parking spaces for me"

No it doesn't seem crazy - IT IS CRAZY!

Even within the Xtian frame of reference its crazy! Angels are instruments the deity uses to intervene on earth during major events. Or did I miss the bit in the bible where Gabriel apologises for arriving late for the nativity because someone needed his help finding somewhere to put their wagon in Athens?

Also - angels are generally considered to act for good - you finding a parking place deprives someone (perhaps more deserving?) of one. Its hardly a good deed in terms of the bigger picture. Indeed, your carpark angel is someone elses carpark demon!

I'm sorry, every now and then I just have to rant about this sort of trivia! Imagine what I'm like in the pub! (No on 2nd thoughts don't)
 
Bobby Peru's A Dark Angel, Sail...

wintermute said:
"And this seems crazy but I have a angel that just looks after car parking spaces for me"

No it doesn't seem crazy - IT IS CRAZY!...

Also - angels are generally considered to act for good...
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Satan was an angel, as were quite a number of his helpers. If angels can go from pure good to pure evil, I'm sure they could also help out on the car parking front.


"Demons to some, angels to others."
...Cenobite should know this one.
 
Strictly speaking, Lucifer ceased to be an angel when he defied god.

(I was raised in a theologically pedantic family - sometimes I just can't help myself..........I blame the parents!)
 
I read of some reports of 'real' angels, but apparently they're some form of crisis apparition. Dunno whether any were female however.
 
This whole angel thing really bothers me. People say they feel a presence and its warm and fuzzy and it pinches their noses yak yak yak yak and they call them angels. Well the thing is, as was mentioned earlier, Angels in the bible were god's way of intervening directly on earth. As with the plague visited upon the Egyptians killing their first borns. And a red x was marked on the door of the jews houses. Well it was an Angel who came down and murdered all those children of the people of Egypt. Sodom and Gomorrah, same thing an Angel. In fact Michael is know as the Sword of God. So in effect, Angels were the Heralds of God and also his minions to do the dirty work. Warm and fuzzy nose tweakers they are not. The modern popular interpretation is essentially bollox, excuse the medieval Saxon. It is an image propogated by the church to serve their own purposes.
 
Dessert

It's just a question of terminology. People use the word 'angel' to give the impression of some guiding being, i.e. a truncation of 'guardian angel', which has nothing to do with God's angels. Or Charlie's Angels. Or Angel Delight (you get the message). 'Entity' sounds too freaky and 'thing' too vague... so, it's angel!

Once that's been clarified, the question of whether these guiding beings actually exist and can tweak noses or any other portion of the anatomy can then be looked at without confusion.
 
There is a huge problem of taxonomy with all weird phenomena.

For instance, every year there are more sightings of the Virgin
Mary than of aliens, though they tend to be classified as religious
rather than Fortean. Those with a fierce belief in some things
give very short shrift to the others, even if they all depend on
personal accounts.

There is a huge interest in angels in the USA which I guess will
not be reflected on this board. The material is so monotonous
that it no longer qualifies as an anomaly. Even so, it does
represent a way in which people communicate about altered
states.

The Catholic Church certainly has a popular tradition - not sure
how far it is a doctrine, but I was brought up to believe it - of the
personal Guardian Angel. We were taught that these were watching
us, and helping us, even when parents and teachers were not.
By the time I was old enough to look for parking spaces, I had forgotten
the winged ones. Maybe that's why I never find a space. :(
 
I agree, people have forgotton how scary angels were in ancient scripture. Now it's all white light and Swan's wings and pretty blonde women. Bring back the firery swords I say!
 
I saw on tv once (on This Morning) that if you write on eleven pieces of paper the words angels don't excist and on one piece angels do excist, fold them all up (equally) put them in some sort of container, shake it about then ask if angels excist u get the one with angels do excist wrote on it.

I did this myself once, for some strange reason I used one of my trainners (maybe cos it was handy at the time). I put the 12 pieces of paper into my trainner and shook them about. This is where it gets a bit strange (I believe my guardian angel is a bit cheeky). I said the question do angels excist? Then I said knowing me my angel will make me wait till I get the answer. So I pulled out piece of paper (no. 1) angels don't excist, so I pulled out another bit (no. 2) angels don't excist. I kept pulling out the bits of paper they kept saying angels don't excist, piece of paper number 12 and what finally came out, angels do excist. I had to wait till the last piece for my answer.

lucydru
 
Woah scary! I just tried that... and it worked! Although, I knew my angel wouldn't want it to be the first answer, and I was definite it wouldn't make it the last answer... and guess what... it was the fifth answer! Amazing!

Sorry, that was sarcastic, but if things like that on This Morning were true then it would be easy proved by people doing it all the time, surely?

Unless it's one of things that sceptics can't do... (you know, like some people say sceptics can't see ghosts, fairies etc., because they do not show themselves to closed minds...)
 
I wasn't saying it was true I was just telling you peeps abot something I saw on tv about angels.

lucydru
 
Yeah, I realised that, soz if I came across as a bit harsh.

I remember there being a lot of new age guff on This Morning. I remember once a bunch of people were on saying they were synaesthesics. Now synaesthesia is a serious, bizarre and fascinating condition, and shouldn't be laughed at...

...but this bunch basically went on like... "Judy... now Judy's a blue word (writes "Judy" on a big piece of paper with a blue marker)... and flower's a yellow word..."
 
Evilsprout said:
Unless it's one of things that sceptics can't do... (you know, like some people say sceptics can't see ghosts, fairies etc., because they do not show themselves to closed minds...)
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The observer principle in quantum mechanics states that the observer and the observer's mental state cannot help but influence any experiment or experience (s)he takes part in, even if the taking part only stretches to viewing the results. In other words, established scientific knowledge dictates that not only should it not be 'impossible' for different people to get different results from the same experiment, it should be expected. In the case of pieces of paper with writing on, it doesn't mean that person A might pick piece No. 1 and person B piece No. 7 or whatever, it means that person A might well have more chance of picking No. 1 every time (s)he performs the experiment.

Of course, I agree that this could no way stretch to picking out the same number each time, but still, the inbalance is there.

As an aside, interestingly enough some experiments appear to prove that an observer can influence events that have already occurred. Seems like nonsense until you realise that these experiments have been performed by respected scientists.
 
I was in a writing program with this woman who always wore an angel pin on her right lapel. I was friends with her advisor so he let me in on the discussion they had to plan her semester project. Basically, the angel wrote all her first drafts for her, and he had to be on her right lapel because left is the devil's side. Also, she wanted to work on humor writing, because the angel wasn't so good at being funny.

And there I was working on all my damn stories myself.

What sort of stories would she have gotten if the angel was on the left side? Porn? Romance? Informational pamphlets from the government?
 
My angel always is on my left side!

Hang on a minute, in my classification of angels it doesn't matter what side they are on. My beliefs are not that of a christian nature so I don't believe in the devil.

lucydru
 
better the devil you...........

It is interesting to note that angels do (did) largely carry out what could be classed as Gods' dirty work.
Then again why was Satan banished from Heaven, I know it's because he questioned the great one but what was the issue all about?



DK:confused:
 
Basically he wanted the top job, be the big cheese.
So he led a rebellion and lost.
Then he, and his losing team, were sent to Earth.
Then cast to hell.
This probably depends on belief system.

I believe this is correct.

Whilst I'm here, can anybody add any infomation on 3 avenging angels: senoy, sansenoy and semangelof, who were sent to fetch or kill Lilith. I can't seem to find any mention on the internet.
Maybe there's an expert on bizarre little known angels out there, probably not though, but thanks anyway.
Elv. (deceased)
 
Traditionally, there were several types of angels, so perhaps you could get the fiery sword waving ones and the cutsy nose tweaking variety.

There are nine classifications of angels, grouped into three hierachies :

1. Counsellors : Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones - who stand in perpetual adoration around the throne of God. Their colour is red, the symbol of love. They are sometimes shown bearing lighted candles.

2. Govenors of the Stars and the Elements : Dominions, Virtues, Powers - who receive divine illumination from (1) and comunicate it to the third, but remain aloof from mortals. Their colour is blue, the symbol of light and knowledge.

3. Messengers : Principalities (princedoms), Archangels (Gabriel, Michael, Raphael), Angels - who intervene in the affairs of mankind.

see Isaiah 6:1-2 and Ezekiel 1:4-14

Angels were portrayed as supremely beautiful men and women, although considered to be sexless, which usually resulted in an androgynous appearance. As St. Thomas Aquinas postulated that angels were pure intelligences not linked with bodies, there were sometimes portrayed as heads with wings, particularly Seraphim and Cherubim.

Seraphims are depicted with six wings, two covering the face, two the feet and two for flying. Their colour is red or crimson. Their bodies and wings may have eyes, and they are sometimes depicted on winged wheels. They carry a scroll as they represent true love and their purpose is to sing praises to God. Their leader is Uriel.
Cherubim are golden yellow or sapphire, stand on winged wheels the colour of beryl stones and hold open books or scrolls because they represent the Wisdom of God. From 16th century on, they were depicted as smiling chubby child's head with two wings. They guard the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden, and representations appeared on the Ark of the Covenant. Their leader is Jophiel.
Thrones are so called because they support the Throne of God. They have six wings, sit on golden thrones, or stand on red winged wheels with eyes on them. They sometimes hold towers. They carry scales because they represent the justice of God. Their leader is Japhkiel.
Dominions have human form, are crowned with a triple crown and carry an orb, sceptre, cross or sword. They represent the power of God and direct Powers and Virtues in their tasks. Their leader is Zadkiel.
Virtues have human form and four wings, and are either covered with blue feathers or dressed in shining armour. They possess supreme courage. They carry sceptres, battle-axes, swords or spears. They carry shields decorated with the Instruments of the Passion of Christ. Their leader is Haniel.
Powers carry flaming swords to protect mankind and conquer devils. Their leader is Raphael.
Principalities are in winged human form, clad in armour and carrying a sceptre, lily, cross or palms. They protect rulers and their leader is Chamael.
Archangels are in winged human form, clad in armour, and are directly concerned with the affairs of mankind. There are seven of them (Rev 8:2), but only four are named in the Bible - Michael (also a prince of Seraphim), Gabriel, Raphael and Uriel. Traditional names for the other three are Chamael, Jophiel and Zadkiel.

Sorry it's long
 
Wow...Thank you Helen...long it may have been, but also extremely lucid and informative. I never appreciated how much there was to 'Angels'.

Again, thanks.
 
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