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Any ideas? (Mystery Russian Skeleton)

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Any idea's

Skeleton found somewhere in Russia, unfortunatly I don't read Russian, see attachment.

http ://www.kp.ru/daily/23234/27254/
 
Any idea how old or what size it is?
It looks like a dog with the front legs and tail missing.
 
A very rough translation thanks to Babel Fish, but-
Eighth March three Nizhniy-Novgorod hunters decided to gladden its wives by picnic on the shore of the Oka I directly from the morning they left for The vyksunskiy region in the environment of village Shimorskoye.

- in these places we frequently hunt, and is its cottage - cabins, says Valerie povarnitsyn. - send to gather firewood for the shashlik and they suddenly saw skeleton... First they thought: maybe, this is ostrich? But canine teeth then noted. And became zhutkovato.

Head in essence - oblong and extraordinarily elongated. Canine teeth - disproportionately large. Ridge is bent, as the dinosaurs, the blade lack, incomprehensible growth on the spin, as if for animal had crest or needles, as the porcupine. Of the bones are tubular as in birds. Rear extremities of unknown zverushki by length almost body, on them on four (!) joints. There are no front extremities completely!

- suddenly this is the mutant of any? - discusses hunter. - here not far - urban dump, to it it is said by nights leave radioactive wastes...

From the specialists skeleton first saw Arkady nolev, docent of the veterinary department of the Nizhniy-Novgorod agricultural academy:

- 4 never it heard about the animals, which not had front extremities. But the bent spine? Certainly, this can be the consequence of usual scoliosis, although such is more inherent in animals like the camel.

Local kriptozoolog Vasiliy yeremchuk, the representative of the glorious association of anomal'shchikov, which search for unknowns to the science of animals, assumed that the hunters stumbled on the skeleton of chupakabry.

- I learn, it certified. - similar essences dwell in South and central America.

But as chupakabra it fell into the middle strip of Russia, scientist assume could not.

In Moscow we showed the photo of the skeleton of mysterious essence to the chairman of the Russian society of kriptozoologov Vadim Makarov. That also began to doubt, that heat-loving chupakabra could survive in our climate. But it recollected, that in the 60's the forester from the Bryansk province described about his encounter with the strange beast, that was moved on the rear paws and it terribly bared sharp-toothed to fall. True, that Bryansk monster was increase the hearth of 4 meters.


- Nizhniy-Novgorod skeleton is much less - not more than one-and-a-half it is meter, reflects Vadim Makarov. - possibly, this is the young.

Valerie povarnitsyn preserved skeleton for the subsequent, more thorough study by scientists.

FROM THE DOSSIERS "KP"

Southern monsters

Term "chupakabra" among the medium specialists -anomal6пkov appeared ten years ago. In the transfer from the Spanish - "sucker of goats". Beginning from 1994 and to this day in Mexico, Chile, Nicaragua and on the south OF THE USA find the corpses of domestic goats, cows and birds, of which is completely sucked out the blood. All animals have in the region of neck round wound. The cases, when thus was umershchvleno herd of 70 head of large livestock, are known within one night.

In the course of time appeared the eyewitnesses. According to the herdsmen, animals and birds will attack mysterious beast by height 1 - 1,2 meters, with the large canine teeth and moving on the rear paws. Many note that the front extremities in it small, some see even and wings in chupakabry canine body, bull head, small paws, soft fur, as in bat, long claws and the crest of crocodile.

Apropos of chupakabry there are several versions.

Somewhere in the jungle of central America was preserved the insignificant population of these essences, possibly, of mutants. Or monsters -krovososy ran out from the secret laboratories of national aerospace agency to THE USA. At least many farmers said that in the regions, where the mysterious predators attacked on cattle, then noted people, helicopters and ground-based transport with the emblem of this organization.

On the entirely already exotic versions, chupakabr left to the earth the newcomers, in whom they domestic animals, like our cats. Or these predators in the searches for subsistence percolate to us from the parallel it is world.

Certainly, is reliable existence of chupakabry is not thus far proven. But in kriptozoologov and other specialists in the irregular phenomena it already became the same nominal character as, for example, "snowy person".
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Thanks, that clears that up then!. Like the way the Russian Crypto chappie/chappess assumes that the chupa is a bona fida living ,proved animal.

Its the claw on one of the feet that puzzles me.
 
It looks like a big duck to me, or a compy. On a side note, I find it interesting the way the chupacabras has morphed from a reptilian/alien-type of creature to little more than a wolf.
 
Looks dinosaur like but that could be an optical illusion. The spine and neck look more mammalian. Don't think it could be a large bird, the head/neck/chest looks wrong.

The skull looks very much like a dinosaur skull in that photo but that could be due to the angle and the bits of snow on it making it look like the eye/mouth are in a different place. If you look at the overall outline it could also be a dog skull.

Also the angle of the back legs to the spine suggests this thing was quadrupedal, and the skeleton is just missing its front legs. Although the tail being missing might also affect that perception...
 
The way that the neck is curved suggests to me that it died rather than was killed ,as when the neck sinews dry out it tends to form a curve like in the pic.
The rib cage looks too small for a bird as they normally have large ribcages and sternums to anchor their flight muscles to.
I assume the tail is missing, otherwise it is definatly a bird.
Cant really tell anything about the shoulder/forelimb joints, but what can be seen is very small.
And that large toe/claw puzzles me.
 
Re: Any idea's

Michael Watson said:
Skeleton found somewhere in Russia, unfortunatly I don't read Russian, see attachment.

http ://www.kp.ru/daily/23234/27254/
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IMO its a dog skeleton that has lost the front legs (including shoulderblade) and the cartilage from the front of the rib cage. Also when the image is blown up there is a clear indentation in the snow that would correspond to the position of a tail

If you compare it with the image below, there would seem to be several quite good matches in the formation of the skeleton

skeleton2.JPG
 
Michael Watson said:
Thanks, that clears that up then!. Like the way the Russian Crypto chappie/chappess assumes that the chupa is a bona fida living ,proved animal.
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It may be the paper, and not the "scientist." If you've looked at Pravda lately, it resembles the Weekly World News more than than anything else.
 
Can't help but agree, it looks like the remains of a dog that has been scavanged by other predators.

However (as a Fortean might say) a puzzle still remains. The carcass was found by three hunters in an area that they frequented. It is then possible to assume that they are practiced in the skills of hunting, butchery and have some knowledge of their quarry. Why then did the hunters not recognise the skeleton as those of a dog, or at least distinguish between mammalian and avian remains?

There are I think three possibilities:
[1] The remains are of an unknown animal. :eek!!!!:
[2] The hunters were fooled by familiar remains in an unfamiliar posture. :confused:
[3] It's a hoax. :D
 
Byron Cac said:
Can't help but agree, it looks like the remains of a dog that has been scavanged by other predators.

However (as a Fortean might say) a puzzle still remains. The carcass was found by three hunters in an area that they frequented. It is then possible to assume that they are practiced in the skills of hunting, butchery and have some knowledge of their quarry. Why then did the hunters not recognise the skeleton as those of a dog, or at least distinguish between mammalian and avian remains?

There are I think three possibilities:
[1] The remains are of an unknown animal. :eek!!!!:
[2] The hunters were fooled by familiar remains in an unfamiliar posture. :confused:
[3] It's a hoax. :D
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As was pointed out by hedgewizard, given the current quality of Pravda's output it would seem that option 3 is the most likely
 
No, Santa's a big fat fellow in a red outfit.............Oh sorry ,read that wrong:D .
 
Looking at the picture again, it's my informed opinion that the remains are of a canine, probably a dog.
 
Re: Re: Any idea's

Swan said:
IMO its a dog skeleton that has lost the front legs (including shoulderblade) and the cartilage from the front of the rib cage. Also when the image is blown up there is a clear indentation in the snow that would correspond to the position of a tail
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Or maybe a partly eaten wolf? That might be unusual enough to fox the hunters.
 
looks like a dog to me, the shoulders and front quarters have been removed. that skull is almost distinctively canine.
 
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