Are UFOs & Ufology In Decline? If So—Why?

[BS3]

As a treat for fans of 1970s ufology here's Holliday's original article:

 

[Paul_Exeter]

Pretty sure I have found the "dip in the road" before Nantycaws hill on the old A48. There is a bus stop with lay-by on the right hand side of the road at the spot I believe the humanoids may have been stood, which supports the idea of some vehicle with reflective markings pulled over. Could it have been an Army vehicle with the usual ariels in desert camouflage from an overseas posting and thus would have looked orangish in the lights?

 

[BS3]

That's an interesting idea and might explain the 'aerials. The reddish-orange colour threw me a bit but that could be one explanation for it.

Assuming accurate reporting by Pugh on this point, the men do seem to have been extremely frightened. I had thought about road construction equipment parked up for the night but in all honesty, you'd think Lloyd would have been familiar with such sights. I do wish that Holiday had attempted to get a sketch from the witness as it's really very hard to visualise what the men thought they were seeing.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

That's an interesting idea and might explain the 'aerials. The reddish-orange colour threw me a bit but that could be one explanation for it.

Assuming accurate reporting by Pugh on this point, the men do seem to have been extremely frightened. I had thought about road construction equipment parked up for the night but in all honesty, you'd think Lloyd would have been familiar with such sights. I do wish that Holiday had attempted to get a sketch from the witness as it's really very hard to visualise what the men thought they were seeing.

Agreed, it is the fear they experienced in addition to the unusual dimensions and lack of movement or craft they strongly suggest to me it wasn't a hoax or simple misidentification. It wasn't a fleeting glimpse either, as the truck was climbing up the hill. However, they were on the opposite side of the road to them so how much light did those eight headlights actually cast upon them as they passed their location?

Another factor is not being able to see their legs at any point, which is highly suggestive of ghost sightings but also reflective jackets and dark trousers or a black vehicle chassis. I do feel with this case that it's not enough just to say they mistook a vehicle , equipment or a barrier of some sorts for the humanoids without demonstrating a reasonable likeness under those conditions.

Also, looking at that old road and the approximate location, unless they were in the bus stop layby I am struggling to place 14+ feet of humanoid besides the road ("the grass verge") unless they were in a gateway, which would throw up more possibilities, especially given it was August and harvesting time.

Oh, and they appeared to be holding something between them or were they fixed together at that point? I do feel this warrants its own thread.

 

[eburacum]

It is difficult to visualise someone seven foot tall and seven foot wide and without legs, isn't that essentially a square with a 'head' on top, or did they mean the shoulders were seven foot wide but then tapered to the chest?

The article quoted says 'huge figures about seven feet high and correspondingly wide.'
I take that to mean they were a shape which corresponded to a humanoid figure, so were somewhat narrower than they were tall. It doesn't mean they were seven foot wide.

Note that a tall human wearing a 'celluloid' costume could easily be seven foot tall once you take into account the headpiece. These could have been construction workers wearing protective clothing, or people in biohazard suits responding to a dangerous goods incident. Or just a training exercise.

an anti-chemical attack suit, seemingly made of 'celluloid'.

Or people in fancy dress, or transparent rain gear, or even a pair of badly made scarecrows.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

The article quoted says 'huge figures about seven feet high and correspondingly wide.'
I take that to mean they were a shape which corresponded to a humanoid figure, so were somewhat narrower than they were tall. It doesn't mean they were seven foot wide.

Note that a tall human wearing a 'celluloid' costume could easily be seven foot tall once you take into account the headpiece. These could have been construction workers wearing protective clothing, or people in biohazard suits responding to a dangerous goods incident. Or just a training exercise.

an anti-chemical attack suit, seemingly made of 'celluloid'.

Or people in fancy dress, or transparent rain gear, or even a pair of badly made scarecrows.

Does look somewhat like what they described, however, I can definitely remember the primary witness describing how "so incredibly broad" they were or words to that effect. This may have been in the Paget book or Pugh & Holiday, I will check but it does seem the original interview described them as seven feet wide.

I keep thinking of the reflective material now used with horses for protection from traffic at night:

https://barnstapleequestriansupplie...rdin-cadence-reflective-hi-viz-riding-jackets

A horse wearing one of these would give you seven foot tall and seven foot wide and then arguably the rider in their reflective jackets were the "Busbie hats, with the parts of the horse and rider not wearing reflective gear not visible (hence no legs).

However, I am not at all certain such material was available and in use for this purpose in 1978.

 

[eburacum]

Curiously, this figure does look pretty broad compared to a normal human being.

If this event were an Army training exercise against chemical attack, it would be another example of a training exercise in Wales misconstrued by local witnesses.

 

[BS3]

Is there any aspect of military equipment that might explain the apparent shoulder-mounted 'aerials'?

The Clansman 349 radio in a holster might do, although these aerials aren't shiny I think.

 

[BS3]

You could perhaps imagine Lloyd had seen two NCOs (radios only being issued to NCOs) conferring over a map or similar during an exercise. However, I can't find any images of British Army protective gear in the period which remotely match the colour reported.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

The heads are described as eighteen inches tall and resembling a Busby or Busbie known formally as a bearskin and also eighteen inches tall:

https://ageofrevolution.org/200-obj...:text=The tradition of wearing bearskins,7 kg).

 

[Paul_Exeter]

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Is there any aspect of military equipment that might explain the apparent shoulder-mounted 'aerials'?

The Clansman 349 radio in a holster might do, although these aerials aren't shiny I think.

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Good fit bar the fact the military have never been fond of bright reflective colours as you highlight, other than on military vehicles whilst being used on British roads in peacetime

 

[Paul_Exeter]

For context this 1977 edition of FSR has a comprehensive round-up of the West wales humanoid and UFO flap:

http://www.ignaciodarnaude.com/avistamientos_ovnis/Pugh,UFOs 1977,West Wales,FSR77V23N1.pdf

Exciting time storms be into Ufology...!

Also some video here from the ITV archive:

The Mark Marston [02:00] encounter is an interesting one, he seems genuine and evidently saw something that "jumped over the gate as if power-assisted" according to Paget when he interviewed him for his 'Welsh Triangle' book. This is the transcript of his remarks in the video:

"[Mark Marston, talking about 15/04/77 sighting] This thing got out the hedge and it jumped over - jumped over this gate and there was something, like, wrong about it. No man could jump that gate."

https://www.babiafi.co.uk/2022/06/harlech-tv-1978-milford-haven-report.html

"He described the figure as being dressed in a silver suit like a diver, with a big helmet and a square featureless face"

...and:

"Mark ran home to 14, St Margaret's Way, screaming and crying. "That's the only reason we believed him," said his father, Mr Terry Marston. "He was very frightened. His story was the same very time and we couldn't catch him out".

There is a lot more to this sighting as other witnesses had previously seen a glowing object in the sky and Mark and others saw a red glow "like a sunset" at the time of his encounter. I have also mentioned this case on the Morayshire Entity thread and the full details are found in this online copy of 'The Dyfed Enigma' (scroll down until you find the map of Herbrandston:

https://www.babiafi.co.uk/2022/02/the-dyfed-enigma.html