AlchoPwn, I thought I was talking about a person who would be the odd one out in a country where his/her views were so far outsid the accepted norms ( an atheist in a hard line Muslim country, or even a Bible Belt state in the USA) that even he/she should be aware that expressing views against those held by others was, at best, risky. And you make my point for me when you talk about structuring atheism. All structures require organisation.
I am well aware of the plight of these people, and I take your point. In my opinion THAT is why the more liberated areas need to offer a politically vocal and organized approach to lobbying to protect people's rights to not believe in deities. I have been working to find ways to discretely help the non-gullible to migrate to safe countries and territories with sponsorship and a source of income and accommodation. In my opinion, the moment you give up Islam, you deserve every protection from that huge atrocity cult's intolerant and murderous policies on apostacy. There are plenty of articles on the issue, here is one for those who need to be better informed:
Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan believe in murdering apostates..[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that you mean some Muslims perform abuses of human rights, not just 'Muslims', because other Muslims do not do this..
The Muslims who do not perform atrocities are bad Muslims according to Islamic scripture, as they contravene the expressed word of the Prophet. To quote:
The call to general atrocity against ALL non-Muslims is made very clearly across the Koran. Here is one example among many:
Koran 3:56 - As to those who reject Islam, may their suffering be terrible in this life and the next. May none take mercy upon them or help them.
These suras are offered to further insist that there is no excuse for not performing atrocities:
Koran 3:157 - If you are killed in jihad then your reward from Allah will be greater than any other you might accumulate in the world.
Koran 4:74 - Let those who fight Allah's jihad and sell the life in this world for their life in the next. Be they slain or victorious, for those who fight for Allah, there shall be a great reward.
Koran 4:76- Those who truly believe must fight in the name of Allah.
And most importantly:
Koran 4:95 - The believers who sit at home are not the equal of those who make war for Allah, save that they have been wounded or crippled. There are ranks amongst the believers and those who war for Allah's sake will be better rewarded.
I'm sure you mean violence in some Islamic-majority communities, not 'Islamic violence', because other Islamic communities are far more peaceable..
Please... I seriously charge you to show me the Muslim enclave or society which doesn't seek to murder their apostates. Muslims have certainly killed apostates in the USA on multiple occasions. They have also done so in the UK. To suggest to a Muslim that Apostates shouldn't be killed goes directly against the Koran
Koran 2:244 - And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. Disbelief is worse than killing.
Koran 3:56 - As to those who reject Islam, may their suffering be terrible in this life and the next. May none take mercy upon them or help them.
In fact to clarify the point, all Muslims living in non-Muslim countries, strictly speaking, in Islamic law must be killed. I like to point this out to Muslim refugees when seeking to deconvert them:
Koran 4:88-89 - What has happened to you that you have two minds about the renegades (who profess the faith but live amongst unbelievers) even though Allah has reverted them, owing to the sins that they earned? Do you want to lead those to the right way whom Allah let go astray? And he whom Allah lets go astray, for him you can never find a way. They but wish that you reject the faith as they have done, and thus be the same in sin as they are. Let them first flee their iniquity and return to Allah. If they remain renegades, seize them and slay them, never to take a friend or helper from their rank.
Now, consider the following unequivocal statements about the fate of apostates by the Prophet:
Bukhari[52:260] "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Koran[4:89] "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then,
if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."
There is no tolerance in these statements. There is no possibility for any apostate to feel safe within a Muslim society and there is a standing injunction to murder them, that is all too frequently carried out. To say that "some Muslims don't murder apostates" is no excuse, as no Muslim Society has ever publically repudiated this teaching on any grounds. Surveys, including the article I showed in my previous attachment clearly show that the Murder of Apostates is condoned by the majority in Muslim countries even if they don't do the actual killing. Such compassion and tolerance for the lives of people with different opinions on matters of religion should surely be richly rewarded in kind.
I'd invite you to speak more clearly.
When Hitler promised "Lebensraum Nacht Ost" (war of conquest against Russia), and "die Endlösung der Judenfrage" (the Final Solution), of course, many outside of Germany didn't believe him. Reasonable souls thought that he was mainly peddling rhetoric and couldn't be serious, and hence could be appeased. These reasonable souls were proven wrong. So too, the people who believe that Islam can be reasoned with in any long term fashion, as history will attest in repeated episodes of religiously motivated genocide and massacres.
Islam might allow non-Muslims to be second class citizens or Dhimmi, but those Dhimmi are massacred whenever it proves convenient to do so, and the history of Islam is littered with examples of these massacres. Even to this day, to build a non-Muslim center of worship in nearly every Muslim country attracts a penalty of death for blasphemy. To this day, in every Muslim country, non-Muslims are being murdered for religious reasons, even in the better Muslim nations like Tunisia, and Muslims are killing other Muslims over points of doctrine in sectarian civil wars. You may think this is something new, but it isn't; history is
replete with examples for those who care to go looking.
Some voices may moderate this call to murder in favor of mere exile, disowning, and shunning, but that merely makes the apostates more vulnerable to the extremists. Thus, as usual, the moderates act as a shield of social acceptability that allows the extremists the opportunity to act as they please. Were the shoe on the other foot, and a minority Christian community perform outrageous acts like this, the Muslims would retaliate with a view to collective guilt, as again, history is replete with examples of them doing just that, most recently in Egypt, and over far less. In 13 Muslim countries, apostacy carries the death penalty, and in most other Muslim counties next to nothing is done about the murder of apostates, which amounts to a defacto public sanction to kill apostates. Worse still, the Koran makes it clear that not to kill an apostate is less virtuous than killing them.
Leaving Islam (video):
Murder of an apostate in Tunisia (which has recently democratized):