Kingsize Wombat
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Now that's a Banjo quote I hadn't heard of.To quote Banjo Patterson, my comment was more of a primitive "thumbnail dipped in tar" generalization.
Now that's a Banjo quote I hadn't heard of.To quote Banjo Patterson, my comment was more of a primitive "thumbnail dipped in tar" generalization.
Clancy of the Overflow second verse second line. I am very fond of Australia. The weird flora and fauna and the landscape are closest I will likely ever come to living on another planet. I mean, the platypus was considered a hoax until the 1880s or something. I had a really great time in Australia my teens and again in my 20s, and I'm still a huge fan.Now that's a Banjo quote I hadn't heard of.
There's probably a reason for that.I can't seem to find photos of skulls of aborigines online.
This might be hijacking the thread a bit, but has anyone here seen a comparison between an aboriginal skull and the Pintubi-skull? I can't seem to find photos of skulls of aborigines online.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...y/news-story/65af0dc01d5046af142dbff3919065a6Remember when you were taught Australia was first claimed for the British throne when it was discovered in 1770 by James Cook who promptly declared it “terra nullius”?
Turns out that could be completely and utterly wrong with the discovery of a copper coin that could rewrite Australia’s history.
In an interview with The Guardian, archaeologist Mike Hermes revealed he found an ancient coin lying on a beach on the Wessel Islands last year he believes to be from Kilwa, more than 10,000km away in what is now known as Tanzania, dating from before the 15th century.
“The Portuguese were in Timor in 1514, 1515 — to think they didn’t go three more days east with the monsoon wind is ludicrous,” he said.
“We’ve weighed and measured it, and it’s pretty much a dead ringer for a Kilwa coin.
“And if it is, well, that could change everything.”
New theory on rock art creation causes a buzz.
This 500-year-old rock art is among the rarest in the world.
Found at a site called Yilbilinji near northern Australia’s Gulf of Carpentaria—and depicting a humanlike figure holding a boomerang (right), surrounded by more boomerangs—it’s a type of stenciling that involved creating miniature outlines of humans, tools, and other shapes. Similar, much older mini-stencils have been found elsewhere in Australia and around the world. Now, scientists think they know how ancient people made them.
Australia’s Aboriginal populations have been creating rock art for at least 44,000 years. Typically when stenciling, the artist held their hand or other object up to the rock and sprayed pigmented liquid onto it, leaving behind a life-size negative on the wall.
But the red-rock overhang at Yilbilinji features much smaller figures: 17 minihumans, boomerangs, and geometric patterns—all too tiny to have been modeled after a painter’s hand or a real object. One of the new study’s co-authors remembered seeing Aboriginal people using beeswax as a kind of clay for making children’s toys resembling cattle and horses. Might the ancient rock artists have used beeswax to form stencils?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/mysterious-ancient-rock-art-may-have-been-made-beeswax
Pilbara mining blast confirmed to have destroyed 46,000yo sites of 'staggering' significance
Sadly, the mining industry, in this case Rio Tinto, are still free to destroy important sites in the pursuit of profit.![]()
A Submerged 7,000-Year-Old Discovery Shows the Great Potential of Underwater Archaeology
Stone tools scattered on the seafloor mark the oldest underwater site ever found on the continent.
Australia has a deep human history stretching back 65,000 years, but many of its oldest archaeological sites are now underwater. In an encouraging sign that Aboriginal artifacts and landscapes may actually be preserved offshore, archaeologists have discovered a 7,000-year-old site submerged along Australia's continental shelf, the first of its kind. Their discovery is outlined today in the journal PLoS One.
At the end of the last ice age, about 12,000 years ago, when glaciers melted and sea level rose, waters inundated one-third of Australia’s habitable land. As part of a project called Deep History of Sea Country, Jonathan Benjamin, a professor of maritime archaeology at Flinders University in Adelaide, led a team that searched for submerged sites off Murujuga (also known as the Dampier Archipelago), a dry and rocky coastal region in northwestern Australia.
This area has a wealth of inland archaeological sites, including more than one million examples of rock art. About 18,000 years ago, the shoreline of Murujuga would have extended another 100 miles further than the current coast. ...
The team ultimately found 269 stone artifacts at Cape Bruguieres Channel, buried under about eight feet of water. The various tools appeared to be designed for activities like scraping, cutting and hammering, and the researchers found one grindstone that may have been used for crushing up the seeds of Spinifex grass for baking into bread. Based on radiocarbon dating and an analysis of when this spot became submerged, the researchers think the artifacts are at least 7,000 years old. The team also describes a second site, Flying Foam Passage, a freshwater spring about 45 feet below sea level and at least where one stone tool that's at least 8,500 years old turned up. ...
Marine geo-archaeologist Nicholas Flemming of the U.K.'s National Oceanography Centre, who was not involved in this study, says archaeologists are particularly interested in studying the northern and northwest coast of Australia. Sites like Cape Bruguieres Channel may contain evidence that tells scientists more about how people first crossed the sea from Southeast Asia to arrive in the continent and how they lived in this now-sunken coastal environment. ...
Flemming adds that this study marks the first time any marine sites older than 5,000 years have been found in the tropics. Most submerged prehistoric sites are discovered by random chance, he says—by trawlers, dredgers or divers who then report the sites to conservation authorities. "The discovery proves that stone tools do survive on the sea floor in tropical environments,” Flemming says ...
Abstract
This article reports Australia’s first confirmed ancient underwater archaeological sites from the continental shelf, located off the Murujuga coastline in north-western Australia. Details on two underwater sites are reported: Cape Bruguieres, comprising > 260 recorded lithic artefacts at depths down to −2.4 m below sea level, and Flying Foam Passage where the find spot is associated with a submerged freshwater spring at −14 m. The sites were discovered through a purposeful research strategy designed to identify underwater targets, using an iterative process incorporating a variety of aerial and underwater remote sensing techniques and diver investigation within a predictive framework to map the submerged landscape within a depth range of 0–20 m. The condition and context of the lithic artefacts are analysed in order to unravel their depositional and taphonomic history and to corroborate their in situ position on a pre-inundation land surface, taking account of known geomorphological and climatic processes including cyclone activity that could have caused displacement and transportation from adjacent coasts. Geomorphological data and radiometric dates establish the chronological limits of the sites and demonstrate that they cannot be later than 7000 cal BP and 8500 cal BP respectively, based on the dates when they were finally submerged by sea-level rise. Comparison of underwater and onshore lithic assemblages shows differences that are consistent with this chronological interpretation. This article sets a foundation for the research strategies and technologies needed to identify archaeological targets at greater depth on the Australian continental shelf and elsewhere, building on the results presented. Emphasis is also placed on the need for legislation to better protect and manage underwater cultural heritage on the 2 million square kilometres of drowned landscapes that were once available for occupation in Australia, and where a major part of its human history must lie waiting to be discovered.
Scientists examining an ancient Aboriginal site at Warrnambool in south-west Victoria are split over whether charred rocks and weather-worn shells are 120,000-year-old evidence of Indigenous life.
If the discoveries at the rocky headland, called Moyjil — or Point Ritchie — are proved to be as old as some scientists believe, they would affect global understandings of human migration.
The problem with modern archaeology is that a good deal of what is taken to be the truth was first brought to us by French nationalists who wanted to claim for France, the title of being the origin point for ancient humanity, which it patently isn't. Thereafter, everything has been tainted with the prejudice of this early French archaeological chauvanism. Since then there have been a number of efforts to push the supposed development point for modern homo sapiens consistently forwards to the most recent ice age, which is also patently wrong, as was categorically proven as we can point to solid evidence of modern homo sapiens 200,000 years ago, and stretching matters we can go to 315,000 and even 400,000 years ago with more tenuous evidence.Ancient Aboriginal site Moyjil could rewrite the global story of human migration
Could be natural, could be man made, I don't think that you could decide either way on the evidence as it stands.
Questions:
1. If these sites were as a result of humans, where is the other evidence, human remains, axes etc?
2. If humans were at this site 120,000 years ago, when and how did they get to Australia? There would be evidence of even earlier activity in the north of the continent surely?
3. Could it have been an earlier migration of either homo sapiens or homo erectus with no link to current indigenous people? Again, wouldn't they have left other evidence?
4. What does the genetic evidence say?
I suggest you familiarise yourself with the early history of Archaeology, as this is very much a matter of academic politics in the 19th Century, and the rampant nationalism of the era that comes across in the correspondence of the period. It was cunning how the French academics managed to undercut the self confidence of the other academics in the field, while making what were pretty baseless claims based on precious little evidence of their own, that they hid via references that nobody could obtain and other shennanigans.As a Graduate in Archaeology; I was taught nothing about France. I have obviously missed something. The only `Chavanism` I know of is that Archaeologists love cultures that are low hanging fruit; the sort of folk who build in stone and/or leave masses of interesting junk.
The evidence is not all genetic, as some is based on human remains that don't always have viable genetic material for analysis. It also certainly isn't limited to the articles I am putting forwards, as there is a large and growing body of research that has been challenging many assumptions in archaeology, and I am not going to chase down every article I have read on the topic over the last 30+ years; I don't have the time or the inclination even during lockdown. If you narrow the scope of your question I can offer up an article or 2 to get you going though.What genetic evidence is there for your theory?
Now that's a Banjo quote I hadn't heard of.
Banjo Paterson: 120-year-old chocolate found in Australian poet's belongings
When the National Library of Australia recently acquired famous poet Banjo Paterson's personal belongings, the last thing they expected to find was chocolate.
With links to Queen Victoria, the discovery from 1900 is "one of the best preserved chocolates of this age anywhere", a historian tells the BBC.