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Airmans corner, near Stonehenge has a memorial to an early fatal crash, 1912, I think?

And there's report of a ghost plane

Ill look it up late, very late now
 

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Airmans corner, near Stonehenge has a memorial to an early fatal crash, 1912, I think?
Here's a brief summary ...
Airman's Corner (also known as Airman's Cross) is a roundabout junction that takes its name from the early pioneers of flight who used the area as makeshift runways. ...

However, as part of the Stonehenge area restoration project, the junction was replaced with the roundabout we see today. ...

Previously, a memorial to two pilots who were killed in a plane crash nearby during 1912 was sited on the junction, giving it the names we know today. The flat, open land made the area ideal for military flight training.

The inscription reads 'To the memory of Captain Loraine and Staff-Sergeant Wilson who whilst flying on duty, met with a fatal accident near this spot on July 5th 1912. Erected by their comrades'. However, with the changes to the junction, the memorial was relocated to the entrance to the visitor centre.
https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Airmans_Corner
 

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I'd love to know what he says!

(Re: Andrew Green's book!)
 

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(Re: Andrew Green's book!)
The only tidbit I've ever found is the following small quote ...
Andrew Green investigated the story for his book, Our Haunted Kingdom (1973) and relates one particularly fascinating incident:

“During the height of the investigation, a BBC woman interviewer from the Nationwide programme decided she would stay the night in the ‘haunted court’ with a tape recorder and was, at her request, locked in. She described later the intense feeling of cold, the sounds of banging doors opening and closing and the peculiar fact that the recorder stopped without any reason at 12.30. It was only when she returned to the studio that she was able to get the machine going again. No fault was found with it. The hotel was demolished later in 1972 leaving the mystery of the haunted squash court so far unanswered.”
SOURCE: https://archive.org/stream/CreepyStories/MammothBookOfTrueHauntings_djvu.txt
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The bit about the BBC is right but I'm not so sure about the "hotel" bit. The site was then run by the Construction Industry Training Board, and though they had rooms for guests and trainees I'm not sure any of it can be described as a "hotel."
 

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I'd love to know what he says!

(Re: Andrew Green's book!)
Here you are :) I don't know if it will tell you anything you don't know already, and actually only makes me think of more questions!

"A case which created a lot of interest early in 1972, through being mentioned on Jack de Manio's radio programme over a three-week period, was that at this desolate aerodrome on the north coast of Norfolk.
It was originally constructed in 1914 and left derelict between the wars only to be re-opened for 'active service' in 1939 when the RAF, Australian and Canadian forces were stationed there. Some years after the end of hostilities the Officers' Mess was converted into a hotel for use by executives and guests of a construction company which had taken over the site. Part of the building was allocated to an industrial film company for their use as a studio whilst producing a film on the company's activities. Some distance away, behind the hotel, is a single building converted into a squash court with two playing areas. Itis one of these that is haunted.
The first indication of a manifestation was during one evening when a player glanced up at the gallery overlooking the courts and saw a man in RAF uniform gazing down at them. Puzzled he stopped his companion and they both watched the 'pilot' walk along the gallery to the doorway at the end and disappear.
Because of the conviction that they had seen a ghost, the couple arranged for a magnetic tape recorder to be left in the affected court overnight. They had, it seems, intended to stay with the machine, but were too scared at hearing loud footsteps walking along the gallery in the empty building and left. It was pointed out at the time that only one key exists to the building, which was locked after setting the machine going.
Literally thousands of radio listeners have heard the resultant noises that were recorded in the empty building. Sounds similar to those of a busy workshop, a metal bucket being placed on the floor, a loud saw-like buzzing sound, numerous metallic clangs and a peculiar 'pinging' sound. Highlight of the recording, however, is the sound of a woman's voice saying two words, but because of the background noise they are indistinguishable - they could be 'watch out' or even 'stop it'. Another puzzling aspect is the drone of an aeroplane clearly heard, yet no aircraft were flying anywhere in the locality that night.
Determined to find out more of the ghost, a medium, John Sutton, was called in and a seance arranged. In the meantime a letter from a radio listener had been received stating that the ghost was of a man named 'Wiley' who had committed suicide in the Officers' Mess during the war.
The medium, on entering the court, began to sob and told of a plane - 'an Anson, that caught fire and crashed on to a local church killing three men.'
Local residents who had stayed in the hotel told of bedclothes and curtains being thrown around, water taps being turned on and off, feeling 'taps' on their shoulders and on a couple of occasions a man in RAF uniform was seen to walk through the wall of the old billiard room.
During the height of the investigations a BBC woman interviewer from the Nationwide programme decided she would stay the night in the 'haunted court' with a tape recorder and was, at her request, locked in. She described later the intense feeling of cold, the sounds of banging doors opening and closing and the peculiar fact that the recorder stopped without any reason at 12.30. It was only when she had returned to the studio that she was able to get the machine working again. No fault was found with it.
The hotel was demolished later in 1972 leaving the mystery of the haunted squash court so far unanswered."
 

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There's a hell of a lot of confusion about when the BBC recordings and broadcast were made.
The session with the two mediums, probably just before December 17th 1971 was said to be for BBC TV, but Green says it was for de Manio's radio show. A source says that a reporter for de Manio turned up later the same day as the TV team but missed them and didn't know they had been there. We're the different sessions confused?

Then the initial de Manio show, that caused pets to go bonkers was said to be in the morning. But his show went out mid afternoon. He did co host the BBC4 breakfast show until August 1971 but then left, but continued to present the Saturday morning version afterwards.

I've asked various experts in TV and radio archival matters and they can't help as the existing record is too poor. They said that if it was Nationwide, it has a very poor survival statistic for this period. It's been said that the BBC written archives in Reading may have the info but this might entail a long trawl through PaB (programme as broadcast) sheets and other documentation.
Two problems - the paper trail may not longer exist
And:
The written archives centre have moved their access goalposts. If you're researching a commissioned piece they'll let you in. Otherwise no chance. It's a far cry from my last visit nearly 20 years ago.

Maybe picking gnatshit out of pepper? but it's the lack of coherence in the bircham Newton stories that infuriate me!
 

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It's been said that the BBC written archives in Reading may have the info but this might entail a long trawl through PaB (programme as broadcast) sheets and other documentation.
To complicate things further, as you'll know, the records can be wrong for various reasons. For example, while the easily-accessible online Radio 1960s Times listings show what should've been on, the schedule could be changed after important events like the Kennedy assassinations to cover news instead.
 

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That's true, which is why I double check. I don't know if the BBC genome covers schedule changes but other sources would (like TV brain?)
I think there would be an amended PaB in the files as this includes exact transmission times.
Funny you should mention JFK. That's the reason for my last and only trip. One of the files I wanted (c 1979 Panorama about the new investigation) was absent and I was told it had probably been taken home by one of the researchers. I think I can guess who it was, too...
 

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I just looked this up in, 'Military Ghosts' by Alan C. Wood (2009). He doesn't give a source but says that the construction training centre was used for making training films and it was a film-crew member who saw a ghost in the squash court and decided to leave a tape recorder running overnight where it captured sounds from the old airfield but it doesn't say if this recording is the same one that was broadcast.
 

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Parts of that recording were broadcast. It made some people's pets go bonkers.
 

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RAF Davidstow moor in Cornwall is supposed to have a few spooks, both in the derelict buildings and control tower and in the former officers mess area which is now a museum. One supposed ghostly chap called Eric who from all accounts is a miserable sod who hates visitors, spectral silent WW2 era planes flying about and polt activity.
I’ve also been told a tale about a black shuck type spectral dog (if I ever visit Davidstow again at night I’ll remember to take a few gravy bone biscuits along with me just in case)

video I took in the derelict control tower…
 

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I'm writing up Bircham for my book on West Norfolk ghosts. So far, I've got up to the 1977 tape and done 9 pages - and there's more to come. A fair amount is a discussion on what the psychics said and trying to get some corroboration.
 
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Around 10 years ago, I was driving to a boarding kennel to collect my dog after a weekend away. It was out in the country a little and I was driving along a lane which more or less follows a largely wooded valley when a smallish silvery grey biplane came down the valley towards me and flew directly over the car. It was loud and only just above the height of the trees either side of the lane, so probably well under 100 feet. It was quite a surprise to see it that low and that loud and must have been pretty risky for the pilot too I would have thought! I remember at the time it didn't feel 'right' somehow but that was probably just the surprise at seeing it. I wonder if it may have been one of those acrobatic aircraft practicing but, if so it would have been pretty irresponsible as it wasn't out in the wilds but on the outskirts of a town with a number of house either side of the lane.
 

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Mongrove, out of curiosity, are these your videos?
 
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