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Beckjord: I Was Mothman!

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MOTHMAN

HEY EVERYONE,
I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE OUT THERE CAN TELL ME SOME STUFF ON MOTHMAN. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT KNOW WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT I WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A MOVIE COMING OUT ABOUT MOTHMAN STARRING RICHARD GERE. ITS BASED ON JOHN KEEL'S BOOK THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES.
ZERO
 
Mothman - I was Mothman. I confess.

Mothman and Owlman and Batsquatch are temporary
physical forms for human minds on an O.O.B.E.

In 1966, I was living in Washington,DC, not too far
from Point Pleasant, WVA and I had a vivid dream that I was flying,
and over a road, looking at people, trying to tell them the local
bridge was about to fall in... They did not hear me, but they
saw me. I guess I had wings since I was flying. Then I woke up
and found the cat licking my face. Mothman, of course, disappeared.

This somehow got into my pal John Keel's book....

You can bet some local person was "Owlman" during a dream in
Cornwall... Same for "Batsquatch" in Oregon.

Now you know...

Jon-Erik Beckjord, MBA, http://www.beckjord.com
25 years at Nessie,Crop Circles, Bigfoot and UFOs

:eek!!!!:
 
Sorted!

Now if you'd like to confess to being Nessie, Flying Triangles,
Headless Coachmen and The Black Monk of Pontefract, we
can all get on with doing something more profitable. :D
 
During an OOBE, "what do you look like?"

I got his trivial reply, (typical of most Forteans) but the issue is
SERIOUS. If OOBEs exist, )out of body experience (bonk!),
then WHAT DO YOU LOOK LIKE THEN IF SEEN ???
THE 1990 BOL in the field filmed by Steve Alexander near
crop circles at Milk Hill, Wilts, may well have been a person
during an OOBE.

B.O.L. = BALL OF LIGHT (OK?)

An Indian man in Oklahoma has photos of BOLs at a graveyard,
and one of Rickard's books shows them in a yard or wooded area.

THESE ARE PROBABLY OOBE travelers... or souls...

By the way, I am in Mensa, and do well in every bar.
I never heard of you, nor your research, if any.

Jon-Erik Beckjord

http://www.beckjord.com:hmph:
 
Over inflated ego or what?

beckjord said:
"Not only are Bigfoot,Nessie,etc, weirder than you
think, they are weirder than you can think."

I doubt that Mr. Beckjord!

Frankly, if you believe that forteans are typically trivial, then it comes as no surprise to me to see you trying to plug your third rate website on these pages. (An evident exercise in self promotion if ever I saw one!)

If you had taken a little more time to study these pages then you would have not been so surprised by James's reaction to your claims.

You under estimate your readership on these pages by thinking that we do not know what BOLs and OOBEs are. Lets face it, none of this stuff is cutting edge.

We want some proof Mr. Beckjord not just 'probably this' or 'probably that.' And after your 25 years of studying Nessie, crop circles and UFO phenomenon, I would have presumed that you would have had something interesting to say.
 
Ooh, someone actually understood what he posted.

I tried, but couldn't understand why there was a :hmph: in the link :eek:

yes and it scared me off cuz i am so thick so didnt bother and did i mention that we are all stupid and nobody here is cleverer that you mr im in mensa look at me and i can also write in sentances with poor punctuation too isnt that nice but im still thick cuz i didnt know anything about the stuff that mr smartypants wrote

:rolleyes:

I'll also have you know that I do well in every bar too. Well, except that "Men only" bar down the road, although I must admit the gentlemen there are very friendly to me, leather isn't really my thing.
 
Who, or what, is Howard Bradley?

1) Be so kind as to direct me to the url for James' website.

2) OOBEs are "hardly cutting edge" ? -- well, what then
is? I'd say that witnesses seeing a person's mind
in the act of doing an OOBE, ought to be very cutting edge!

The fact that something was theorized 20 years back or so,
does not make it suddenly passe' nor invalid.

Here I submit an explanation for BLACK DOGS, BLACK
MYSTERY CATS, NESSIE, MOTHMAN AND OWLMAN,
and all you non-researchers can do is snigger....

'Forteans' - hah -- an excuse to do nothing
but niggle and naggle ...

Jon-Erik Beckjord




The Boggart said:
I doubt that Mr. Beckjord!

Frankly, if you believe that forteans are typically trivial, then it comes as no surprise to me to see you trying to plug your third rate website on these pages. (An evident exercise in self promotion if ever I saw one!)

If you had taken a little more time to study these pages then you would have not been so surprised by James's reaction to your claims.

You under estimate your readership on these pages by thinking that we do not know what BOLs and OOBEs are. Lets face it, none of this stuff is cutting edge.

We want some proof Mr. Beckjord not just 'probably this' or 'probably that.' And after your 25 years of studying Nessie, crop circles and UFO phenomenon, I would have presumed that you would have had something interesting to say.

Take of tip from me - visit James's website and see what it is like to write intelligent and well thought out theories and opinions. If only you had done that first, eh?

Publishing your own website and claiming it to be a recognition of your skills as a world renowned reseacher is actually a trifle sad for a man of your age.

I trust you won't bother to lower yourself to visit such a trivial forum again Mr. Beckjord.

Ah yes, before you say that you've never heard of me either I am Howard Bradley - THE HOWARD BRADLEY
:cross eye
 
Silliness and rudeness

Or is it boorishness? Seems any clod can get on the Internet.

Beckjord...




schnor said:
Ooh, someone actually understood what he posted.

I tried, but couldn't understand why there was a :hmph: in the link :eek:

yes and it scared me off cuz i am so thick so didnt bother and did i mention that we are all stupid and nobody here is cleverer that you mr im in mensa look at me and i can also write in sentances with poor punctuation too isnt that nice but im still thick cuz i didnt know anything about the stuff that mr smartypants wrote

:rolleyes:

I'll also have you know that I do well in every bar too. Well, except that "Men only" bar down the road, although I must admit the gentlemen there are very friendly to me, leather isn't really my thing.
:cross eye
 
'If OOBE's exist'

Given that OOBE stands for 'out of (the) body experience then clearly they do exist, in that people have the experience. However, this doesn't mean that the experience has any objective reality.

Aside from the fact that there don't seem to be any good cases where an OOBE'r has been able to prove that they were anywhere else but in their head, the fundamental problem with all forms of alleged 'astral travel' is what is the astral body seeing with? If it isn't visible, by definition it can't be using anything like any eye (or indeed a camera). There's also, of course, the linked, but wider problem of how any mental activity is possible outside of the brain/body.

Oooh - deary me, I'm niggling and naggling - BAD FORTEAN! (slaps [astral] wrist)
 
Never take someone named Winter Mute seriously--

:cross eye

If paranormal experiences could be quantified, they
would no longer be paranormal.

FYI, there have been some parapsychology tests where a
dreamer was asked to read a number at the top of a
ten foot bookcase.--- and did so.

Still looking for an Intelligent Fortean... none so far...

Except my buddy John Michel, in London.

Jon-Erik Beckjord
 
"FYI, there have been some parapsychology tests where a dreamer was asked to read a number at the top of a ten foot bookcase.--- and did so. "

And there was me thinking a GOOD Fortean always gave the source!


:miaow: :miaow:
 
I'm hurt. No, honestly I really am.

The art of Internet etiquette is one of subtlety and, one may also say, balance. Let me explain.

Before you start posting on forums, it is accepted practise to introduce oneself before any in-depth or scientific discussion. It is therefore generally disapproved of if any new forum member submits a reply containing derision and disrespect. It is also exhibits highly childish behaviour to seemingly brag about your IQ; you mention that you are in Mensa. I assure you, it does not impress us, and only makes you appear to be bragging.

It shows a degree of bad-manners, and one may conclude rudeness, to end your post with

beckjord said:
I never heard of you, nor your research, if any

I have never heard of you or your research, and that acts as both a correction and a statement.

Which leads me onto the next point. Your posts are riddled with grammatical, and punctuation errors; maybe Einstein was right when he talked of Shakespeare and an infinite number of typewriters. You also exhibit a distain of forum members by your continued sarcasm and arrogance, explaining what B.O.L.’s are. We know what B.O.L.’s are. Congratulations, you just made yourself appear even more unprofessional.

You direct various comments towards forum members, and indeed you called me a clod, and also boorish. You should have learnt from school (if indeed you went to one "Spare some change guv'nor - I'm a hard up researcher, down on my luck, there's nothing left for me to do then make petty arguments on forums™") that name-calling will get you nowhere, although it will compound your previous instances of appearing rude, unprofessional, disrespectful, to name a few.

My post was intended as a light and humorous interlude; I hoped my tongue-in-cheek reference to “do(ing) well in every bar” would raise an odd giggle out there in cyberspace. I apologise if I didn’t make you laugh.

As it happens, I am boorish and am indeed a clod, so excuse me while I return to counting out the requisite number of McNuggets™, and I will of course ask a grown-up if I need help with any big words or if I need to use a pair of scissors.

As for the Internet, I hear that’s on computers nowadays. Can you believe it?!

Put bluntly, you come in, cast aspersions on our individual (and collective) intelligence, and have the cheek to call us names.

Well, it seems we have taken your poorly disguised bait Sir, let argument and recrimination commence! Huraah – FT’s first flame, so who’s first? :D

Ooh pick me Sir! *stretches arm upwards* pick ME!
 
I offer you my disrespect - politely.

I still ask who you really are, do you have a real name,
have you anything to brag about, any achievements other
than being anonymous?

My name you can do a web search on and find 266
entries using Web Ferrett.

Who the B.H. are you?

Jon-Erik Beckjord









schnor said:
The art of Internet etiquette is one of subtlety and, one may also say, balance. Let me explain.

Before you start posting on forums, it is accepted practise to introduce oneself before any in-depth or scientific discussion. It is therefore generally disapproved of if any new forum member submits a reply containing derision and disrespect. It is also exhibits highly childish behaviour to seemingly brag about your IQ; you mention that you are in Mensa. I assure you, it does not impress us, and only makes you appear to be bragging.

It shows a degree of bad-manners, and one may conclude rudeness, to end your post with



I have never heard of you or your research, and that acts as both a correction and a statement.

Which leads me onto the next point. Your posts are riddled with grammatical, and punctuation errors; maybe Einstein was right when he talked of Shakespeare and an infinite number of typewriters. You also exhibit a distain of forum members by your continued sarcasm and arrogance, explaining what B.O.L.’s are. We know what B.O.L.’s are. Congratulations, you just made yourself appear even more unprofessional.

You direct various comments towards forum members, and indeed you called me a clod, and also boorish. You should have learnt from school (if indeed you went to one "Spare some change guv'nor - I'm a hard up researcher, down on my luck, there's nothing left for me to do then make petty arguments on forums™") that name-calling will get you nowhere, although it will compound your previous instances of appearing rude, unprofessional, disrespectful, to name a few.

My post was intended as a light and humorous interlude; I hoped my tongue-in-cheek reference to “do(ing) well in every bar” would raise an odd giggle out there in cyberspace. I apologise if I didn’t make you laugh.

As it happens, I am boorish and am indeed a clod, so excuse me while I return to counting out the requisite number of McNuggets™, and I will of course ask a grown-up if I need help with any big words or if I need to use a pair of scissors.

As for the Internet, I hear that’s on computers nowadays. Can you believe it?!

Put bluntly, you come in, cast aspersions on our individual (and collective) intelligence, and have the cheek to call us names.

Well, it seems we have taken your poorly disguised bait Sir, let argument and recrimination commence! Huraah – FT’s first flame, so who’s first? :D

Ooh pick me Sir! *stretches arm upwards* pick ME!
:blah:
 
I offer a solution to crypto-critters --- OOBEs

My point, for real researchers, is that if OOBEs happen,
the person involved may take a form that is strange,
and is seen by others.

Simple.

:D
 
Could you please...

... cut your down the amount you quote? Quoting the whole of a post directly above yours is both annoying and distracting.

beckjork: Don't take it too harshly, they laughed at my explaination of the CUMBERLAND SPACEMAN (ouch! where's the volume control?). But then I took it in good humour and laughed right back. You, on the other hand, seem to take yourself a little too seriously.

Anyway how do you define an "Intelligent Fortean"?

James: Wouldn't it be amusing if beckjord had heard of your research, but not of you? That would require a level of BLINKERED (sorry, I was fiddling with the reverb) thinking that he has yet to demonstrate on this forum.

Assuming, of course, that he doesn't define an "Intelligent Fortean" as any fortean that agrees with him... (there, got it just right :D)

Niles
-----
Extracting the urine since 1986.
 
beckjord said:
My point, for real researchers, is that if OOBEs happen,
the person involved may take a form that is strange,
and is seen by others.

Assuming that to be the case, why would the disembodied take on such forms? IMHO most psychic entities would resemble their source rather than some cryptozoo'. That is to say that, if I were to experience an OOBE, my wandering psyche would resemble me rather than a giant owl or moth.

Niles
 
Looking on the bright side, it has made me appreciate the
unusually intelligent and good-natured quality of the posts
on here generally. :)
 
First intelligent reply -- bravo

Reply: You could be right, and when we see a man
in some misty form, he might be in an oobe,
but also, in other cases, he might have his inner ego
or subsconscious mind, create a body that it likes,
and that might be large black cat...etc...

the rest of you sods take this guy as a good example to follow. We yanks will
straighten you out yet....

Jon-Erik



Niles Calder said:
Assuming that to be the case, why would the disembodied take on such forms? IMHO most psychic entities would resemble their source rather than some cryptozoo'. That is to say that, if I were to experience an OOBE, my wandering psyche would resemble me rather than a giant owl or moth.

Niles
;)
 
Hey, if you were Mothman, what did you kill that bloke's dog for?

Only kidding, before everyone kicks off again.




Me, I always heard that dreaming people inhabit spiders. That's why it is forbidden to eat them.
 
I don't think Beckjord's idea of flying cryptids being the manifestations of out-of-body-experiences is too derisery (even if he does have the audacity to claim to "be" Fortean poster-boy Mothman!).

However the "you're all a bunch of bastards and I'm so great you shower of sods" attitude after James's slightly sarcastic (in a good natured way) reply was a little bit silly, and prevents the sensible discussion of what could have been a good thread.

And is an intelligent Fortean someone who a) remains sceptical, but at the same time discounts nothing, and can make sense of the bizareness of existence with an ironic sense of humour, or b) someone who goes "My god! I'm sharing a message board with Mothman! Another cased closed!"?

Btw, what's the point in Mensa? I passed one of those word game thingies in the back of a magazine with flying colours, but couldn't be bothered to send off for the full entry form. As far as I could see it was just a way of getting (for a fee) a certificate to put on your wall which said "I'm really clever, and you're just one of the troglodyte masses! Ha!". I don't consider myself that superior to the rest of the human race just cos I can do a couple of word games.

Anyway, that's my twopenneth. I'm outta here.

Da Sprout
 
What's a Brussels Sprout doing in Yorkshire? Also - News r

In Mensa, we take our exams under a proctor.

No cheapo magazine quizzes....

"Trust No One".... X-files....


Now, let's go on to new stuff...

In Sept 00, some blokes found a mud impression of a large man...
in Oregon, and now they are saying this is Bigfoot. They then
made a cast of it...in reverse format.

I say -- NO PROOF.... could have been Hulk Hogan on Holiday

Jon-Erik Beckjord, Mensa,MBA

[email protected]
 
Game, Set and Match Mr. Beckjord!

By asking 'Who, or what is Howard Bradley?', you have illustrated the precise point that I was making about serious research.

If it isn't in 'The Acme Book of Paranormal Mysteries' or it isn't in the top three of a web search engine's results, then you have no knowledge of it.

The fact is Mr. Beckjord, you are using the 'shock jock' approach to gain some kind of recognition or notoriety for your 'Un-PC website (as you like to call it.) The whole 'I was the Mothman' proclamation prior to the launch of a big budget movie on the same theme, is nothing more than an attempt to gain your 'fifteen minutes of fame'.

However, back to the point of serious research, and in order to put an end to this tedious thread of self-promotion, I will not be reading your responses nor will I be posting further replies. 'Sniggering non-researchers ', such as myself are simply too busy to sit in front of the computer screen hoping that someone will take the bait, so that we can 'score' another reply!

My next lecture in the USA is provisionally scheduled to take place in February 2002 at the UCSB. I shall e-mail you with the details once they are finalised. Look forward to meeting you there.


Howard Bradley (AKA The Boggart)
 
Argh, I really can't be bothered to wade through yet another badly organised, difficult to look at, rambling, etc. website.

Why can't you people please just get to the point?
Hypothesis, method, results, conclusion- simple.

The 'crypids as manifestations of the OBE' idea is, however, an interesting one. Could you direct us to the actual page where you discuss your research?

-Justin.
 
Yes, the idea that a person experienceing and OBE might be visible is facinating. It could potentialy explain not only BOLs and Cryptids but UFOs. It's just a pity that the idea wasn't posited by someone with the gumption to argue it out properly.

One problem with the theory. Why should the astral plane (always assuming it exsists) be visible to the physical eye.

Cujo
 
beckjord- "My name you can do a web search on and find 266 entries using Web Ferrett. "

A Google search for "jon erik beckjord" turns up 42 hits:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="Jon+Erik+Beckjord"&btnG=Google+Search

That gets whittled down to 25 if you try:
"jon erik beckjord" -ktux (from his website address):
Http://www.google.com/search?q="jon+erik+beckjord"+-ktux&hl=en&start=10&sa=N

Ha ha, a search for: beckjord "saucer smear", turns up some interesting stuff:
http://www.google.com/search?q=beckjord+"saucer+smear"&btnG=Google+Search

-Justin.
 
Indeed Mr Beckjord, then I'm not alone in looking forward to your presentation of the evidence to support this conjuncture. Perhaps they might be able to shoe-horn you in at the Unconvention, assuming that you can take time off from your busy schedule as security advisor to the world.

:D

Niles
 
Am I missing something, or is this the audition thread for the next X-Men movie? Just wondering.
 
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