Bigfoot / Sasquatch In North America

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An article by Nick Redfern on the possible consequences if Bigfoot was found

Bigfoot: What Would Happen if We Found One? What Would the Implications be?​

Nick RedfernDecember 19, 2021
I have a question for you; a question that may be more significant than we might think. It goes as follows: What will happen if, one day, conclusive evidence that the Bigfoot creatures really do exist is found? Well, the first – and quite natural – assumption that springs to my mind is that those people who spend so much of their time looking for such monstrous things will finally get vindication that they weren’t wasting their precious hours, days and weeks, after all. But, there are bigger issues at stake than that. Actually, they are much bigger, and far more serious than the average Sasquatch-seeker getting congratulated on a job well done. Many eye-witnesses claim that Bigfoot – when seen up close and personal – appears to have definitively human characteristics, and particularly so in its facial appearance. On this very same track, what if Bigfoot is not an unknown ape, but actually some sort of ancient human, an early offshoot of the Human Race that, against all the odds and countless millennia, has survived extinction and avoided capture? If such is the case, does that mean they should be given rights and recognized status as citizens of the United States? That may sound laughable, crazy and extreme to some of you reading this, but – given the theoretical possibilities cited above – can we actually rule out such a remote possibility ever becoming a reality?
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2021...-we-found-one-what-would-the-implications-be/
 

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An article by Nick Redfern on the possible consequences if Bigfoot was found

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2021...-we-found-one-what-would-the-implications-be/
I seem to remember a few years ago an attempt to place chimpanzees and bonobos into the genus Homo. This may seem (and perhaps is) arbitrary, but had it succeeded it would have made these animals taxonomically human. I can't imagine any more rights would have been conferred to them, nor to any discovered hominids. Unless those animals are able and willing to participate in our societies' legal structures, I suspect shooting dead a sasquatch would be classed as the killing of an endangered, protected animal, but wouldn't be murder. Equally, I doubt folk would be prevented from using the wilderness as they already do. There might be a few more wildlife preserves if sasquatch were discovered to be operating in specific areas. Otherwise, apart from its significance to science, I doubt the discovery of other hominid species would have much of an impact on our lives. I would hope that, rather than experimenting on captive bigfoots, our scientists would be sensitive enough to the intelligence of such creatures to develop relationships with populations in the wild, but I sincerely doubt that would be the case.
 

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Apes arent human because they lack human sensibilities.

Unless they have a good reason not to, most normal humans will help another in need.

Apes dont do that. We dont know enough about BF social activities (if they can socialise; they seem pretty solitary).

We know from remains that some examples of Homo Erectus seem to be of examples that were elderly, or sick, people who not only needed a one off help, but long term care.

Almas, if the Caucasian stories are true, can live alongside humans.
 

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Some interesting new Bigfoot/Sasquatch footage that's recently surfaced. Could be real, could be bogus. I'm just here to share it. There's not any real information on it's origins, but there's a brief run down given 15 seconds into the clip as to how the poster recieved it.

 

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Some interesting new Bigfoot/Sasquatch footage that's recently surfaced. Could be real, could be bogus. I'm just here to share it. There's not any real information on it's origins, but there's a brief run down given 15 seconds into the clip as to how the poster recieved it.

Interesting. The second clip shows the whole creature so as analysis of the gait should be possible.

I’m not sure who NvTv are. A quick search turns up a Belfast TV station and a You Tube channel which has a lot of less convincing clips.
Without knowing the time and place of the clip or the identity of the sender things get more problematic and hoaxes more likely. The “filmed late evening” black and white could also hide a few things.

My first thought was that someone had found and gender reassigned the Patty suit. :) It certainly looks “hefty” but there’s little indication of scale, on the clip so again it’s difficult.

Unless someone can spot something obviously fake then an analysis of the gait, especially a comparison with Patty, bearing in mind the gender difference would be interesting. Not sure I’m convinced on the gait but some of the footage seems to show the creature walking up a slope(?)

I’m eager to see what our more knowledgeable posters make of this.
 

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Interesting. The second clip shows the whole creature so as analysis of the gait should be possible.

I’m not sure who NvTv are. A quick search turns up a Belfast TV station and a You Tube channel which has a lot of less convincing clips.
Without knowing the time and place of the clip or the identity of the sender things get more problematic and hoaxes more likely. The “filmed late evening” black and white could also hide a few things.

My first thought was that someone had found and gender reassigned the Patty suit. :) It certainly looks “hefty” but there’s little indication of scale, on the clip so again it’s difficult.

Unless someone can spot something obviously fake then an analysis of the gait, especially a comparison with Patty, bearing in mind the gender difference would be interesting. Not sure I’m convinced on the gait but some of the footage seems to show the creature walking up a slope(?)

I’m eager to see what our more knowledgeable posters make of this.
If I had conclusive video of bigfoot, I don't think I'd be sending it to a little-known YouTube channel -especially one that emphasises certain WORDS in capitals and RED text. That always reminds me of dodgy ads.
 

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Some interesting new Bigfoot/Sasquatch footage that's recently surfaced. Could be real, could be bogus. I'm just here to share it. There's not any real information on it's origins, but there's a brief run down given 15 seconds into the clip as to how the poster recieved it.

Wow - very impressive, looks exactly like the Patterson / Gimlin film from 1967.
Difficult to duplicate the size, walk, muscle movement, the bare foot action - looks authentic to me!
 

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If I had conclusive video of bigfoot, I don't think I'd be sending it to a little-known YouTube channel -especially one that emphasises certain WORDS in capitals and RED text. That always reminds me of dodgy ads.
Yes, Bigphoot2 that's a big minus, surely a big TV station would guarantee anonymity if required. But I wonder whether they would take it seriously, or even bother to look?
The only Bigfoot news item I've seen on UK TV was Patty and IIRC that was a "poor" news day.
 

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If I had conclusive video of bigfoot, I don't think I'd be sending it to a little-known YouTube channel -especially one that emphasises certain WORDS in capitals and RED text. That always reminds me of dodgy ads.
For me it was constant ads that popped up. I couldn't even watch the whole thing because it got annoying and I figured I'm being duped into giving this NVTV account ad revenue.

Also, objectively, there are a number of interesting Bigfoot videos out there that may be on par with the PGF but no video is going to be convincing. No credibility is possible with video or photos anymore.
 

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Apes arent human because they lack human sensibilities.

Unless they have a good reason not to, most normal humans will help another in need.

Apes dont do that. We dont know enough about BF social activities (if they can socialise; they seem pretty solitary).

We know from remains that some examples of Homo Erectus seem to be of examples that were elderly, or sick, people who not only needed a one off help, but long term care.

Almas, if the Caucasian stories are true, can live alongside humans.
I vaguely thought that both gorillas and bonobo chimps were altruistic with group members, and that this had been documented. If they were altruistic, this still doesn't make them human. And, of course, some humans are not very human in terms of altruism. Edit: as Myth above noted! :)
 

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Yes, Bigphoot2 that's a big minus, surely a big TV station would guarantee anonymity if required. But I wonder whether they would take it seriously, or even bother to look?
The only Bigfoot news item I've seen on UK TV was Patty and IIRC that was a "poor" news day.
It's a good point - who would you go to if you felt you had genuine video footage? The mainstream media might ignore the story or take the piss, the less mainstream might exploit it so much nobody took it seriously.
Same with bigfoot research groups - which one do you turn to (that's if the Mountain Monsters team aren't available :) )?
When I think about it, in the very highly unlikely event I filmed a bigfoot I think I wouldn't tell anyone and just leave it (and me) in peace.
 

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For me it was constant ads that popped up. I couldn't even watch the whole thing because it got annoying and I figured I'm being duped into giving this NVTV account ad revenue.

Also, objectively, there are a number of interesting Bigfoot videos out there that may be on par with the PGF but no video is going to be convincing. No credibility is possible with video or photos anymore.
I couldn't tell if those two clips are supposed to be from the same event, and I'm not about to go back to that place to try to sort it out. If it's real, it's been ruined by the presentation. Not that it is proof as anything, as Sharon points out. The "Bigfoot evidence" I find the most compelling is the first hand accounts from credible people willing to go on the record as having encountered something so, um, questionable. There are dozens, hundreds, maybe thousands of accounts from experienced people who spend a great deal of time in the outdoors, know the typical wildlife of their territory, and describe amazing encounters with Bigfoot at close range and in good light. There is something very strange going on here.

Maybe a lot of the pictures are real, maybe so with the footprints, but it has all been through the blender long before it became trivial to fake it digitally. Good clear photos taken by a group of reliable people with multiple cameras, along with their testimony, would be compelling. If such evidence exists, it has been buried under a mountain of bullshit.
 

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Some interesting new Bigfoot/Sasquatch footage that's recently surfaced. Could be real, could be bogus. I'm just here to share it. There's not any real information on it's origins, but there's a brief run down given 15 seconds into the clip as to how the poster recieved it.


What a shame that the - anonymous - cameraman picked the only place in the entire forest where the camera’s autofocus would be captured by a tree trunk, then a double branch beyond it, thereby rendering the creature out of focus for the whole episode.

What are the chances, eh?

maximus otter
 

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This whole, where do you send the footage question is interesting.

If you film a cryptid, or something you genuinely feel is a cryptid then you expect to have the film analysed, in fact you may want it analysed, but where do you go? As stated by Bigphoot2 mainstream media will probably not be interested. Dodgy You Tube sites and credulous TV programmes will not sit well with serious investigators and mainstream scientists will probably not want to be involved. How would Joe public know to whom to take it if their exposure to the subject is watching episodes of, for instance, Finding Bigfoot?

Then there is the question of personal “attacks”. If, for instance you took a trip to central Asia to film snow leopards and manage to, your footage would probably be accepted. If you go into the woods of Oregon to film a bigfoot there will be some suspicion that that’s what you were looking for – how suspicious that you found it. If you film one by chance there will be digging into your past – if you played a practical joke on someone at school you’re probably not trustworthy. If you are a camera enthusiast then you have the knowledge to fake or enhance the images, etc.

Saying you’ve seen a bigfoot may invite ridicule but putting a film or photo out there offers scope for destructive criticism, no wonder people choose to send anonymous clips to “random” sites which are often plagued by fakes of varying degrees of sophistication.

Then there’s the problem of a “verdict” by any well informed “expert.” (Accepting that for any expert there is an equal and opposite expert) It’s quite legitimate to say “I’ve no idea what it is.” But this will be taken by many to indicate an unknown creature, not a blurry blob that could be a bear, a deer or a person in suit. This must lead to reluctance on the part of “establishment” scientists to get involved or offer any opinion.

All of the above is well known to Forteans and as Sharon Hill says no photo or film will now be enough, but how much potentially good evidence are we ignoring because there is no objective site to analyse these films/photos?
 

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That was grand listening. I cant recall what I was reading in my local history book I had in hand.
 

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Bigfoot Film from 1962—Evening Magazine—In Search of Bigfoot (with Deputy Sheriff Charles Edson​

I've never seen this before.
 
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