Bob Lazar: Conclusions?

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Here's Gunson's article.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020222080142/http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/ai014.htm
Note that he doesn't say that the B2 couldn't lift off, only that it is seriously underpowered. Since the plane is limited to subsonic speeds, and only 20 have been built, I think this plane is largely a white elephant, with stealth its only selling point. As a contrast, 360 Predator and 160 Reaper UAVs have been built. These are the 'planes of the future, unfortunately.
Gunson also says that his speculations are 'farfetched', which is certainly true.
 

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Sorry Carl,

I don't see anything in the way of objective proof there. Just speculation.

The free energy bit in the first link doesn't help their case.
Obviously the US govt aren't going to come out and admit it openly. But how otherwise can you explain the glaring mismatch between the power of the jet engines and the stated weight of the plane? If it isn't Biefield-Brown, what is it?
 

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Here's Gunson's article.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020222080142/http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/ai014.htm
Note that he doesn't say that the B2 couldn't lift off, only that it is seriously underpowered. Since the plane is limited to subsonic speeds, and only 20 have been built, I think this plane is largely a white elephant, with stealth its only selling point. As a contrast, 360 Predator and 160 Reaper UAVs have been built. These are the 'planes of the future, unfortunately.
Gunson also says that his speculations are 'farfetched', which is certainly true.
Gunston was, as you can see, trying very hard to maintain his role as an impartial observer, and the fact that he discusses not just the B2 but other aircraft reportedly using wings charged to extremely high tension, consistent with Brown's approach, and even employing the flame jet generator that Brown designed for that purpose, makes it clear that electrogravitic concepts are being actively employed.
 

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Here's Gunson's article.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020222080142/http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/ai014.htm
Note that he doesn't say that the B2 couldn't lift off, only that it is seriously underpowered. Since the plane is limited to subsonic speeds, and only 20 have been built, I think this plane is largely a white elephant, with stealth its only selling point. As a contrast, 360 Predator and 160 Reaper UAVs have been built. These are the 'planes of the future, unfortunately.
Gunson also says that his speculations are 'farfetched', which is certainly true.
Gunson's article misses or obscures several points ...

His overarching theme is overall power and speed for combat aircraft in a historical context - a context that isn't the same for all aircraft for all mission types. Relative power and speed are critical characteristics of a close-in fighter or fighter-bomber. They are not critical for stand-off bombers carrying powered munitions such as cruise missiles.

The envisioned role of bombers changed, and adaptations to this new vision occurred, beginning in the 1970s and continuing through the 1980s. The earliest example of this evolutionary change was reworking the B-1 from a high / fast supersonic bomber to a low / slow subsonic terrain-hugging motif.

The B-2 is not underpowered for its role. Its intended role and design spec's weren't developed so as to prioritize the power and speed features highlighted in the article. It's limited to subsonic speeds because it was prescribed and designed to be subsonic.

I can personally attest to the fact a B-2 taking off is every bit as loud as any other large-body jet (e.g., a 747), but once aloft and leveled off its active noise cancellation system renders it quite abruptly silent once that system is engaged. The beast transforms from a loud Batman-styled heavy jet to a silent God's-own-Batarang all at once.

The limited production run was an adaptation to the oncoming end of the Cold War and its strategic emphasis on intercontinental nuclear strike capabilities. A secondary factor was the recognition that unmanned aircraft represented the more effective future motif for strike platforms.

Another factor concerns programmatic history. The B-2 was the culmination of the original stealth tech research and demonstration work that started in the 1970s. The Lockheed F-117's faceted form and Northrop's continuous curvature form were two distinct approaches. The faceted version was easier to implement and hence arrived earlier than the continuously curved version (which had already been judged superior by the time the public first learned of the F-117's existence).

Both these proof of concept aircraft were approved for limited production so as to expeditiously benefit from their capabilities, but both were expected to be transitional species subject to further evolution and foreseeable retirement. The Cockroach (F-117) has been retired for over a decade now.
 

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Regarding Lazar,,,,this was posted before...but in case it wasn't.
http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07

"Incredible claims have been made about Bob Lazar for years. He supposedly is a physicist with an MS in Physics from MIT and an MS in Electronics from the California Institute of Technology. He was a “Scientist” for Los Alamos National Laboratory, and obtained a job back-engineering UFOs at a very secret site S-4 near Area 51 in Nevada through noted Physicist, the late Dr. Edward Teller.

Supposedly he figured out how saucers work using Element 115 — matter/anti-matter, etc. He was able to steal a small quantity of 115 from the 500 pounds available, but this was stolen back. There was indeed an announcement in early 2004 about the production of 4 atoms of element 115 by operating a huge European accelerator for many weeks. It has a very short half life so there is no way to accumulate pounds of it. He supposedly came forward with his story despite death threats because he thought the public has a right to know. Videotapes are available with his claims.
It is all BUNK. "
 

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Interesting that there is a comparison with bismuth -- am I alone in seeming to remember evidence of bismuth in an analysis of residue at a landing site somewhere?
Bismuth has been identified in metallic artifacts / residues from multiple UFO sites. It's often been identified in combination with zinc and / or magnesium.

This isn't a particularly compelling clue to anything, insofar as bismuth in combination with either or both zinc and magnesium are commonly found in natural ores (notably lead ores) and are the most common components of slag / residue from lead smelting, purification, and recycling. Bismuth is increasingly used as a non-toxic substitute for lead in a variety of applications - including low temperature solder of the sort one would prefer to use on magnesium or magnesium alloys.
 

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Bismuth has been identified in metallic artifacts / residues from multiple UFO sites. It's often been identified in combination with zinc and / or magnesium.

This isn't a particularly compelling clue to anything, insofar as bismuth in combination with either or both zinc and magnesium are commonly found in natural ores (notably lead ores) and are the most common components of slag / residue from lead smelting, purification, and recycling. Bismuth is increasingly used as a non-toxic substitute for lead in a variety of applications - including low temperature solder of the sort one would prefer to use on magnesium or magnesium alloys.
Thanks for the interesting information! Doesn't lead to any conclusions, but worth taking note of.
 

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EnolaGaia's post on bismuth could make one think someone other than aliens was placing it at so-called ufo events.
And for that matter , why would aliens have 'slag residue' or natural lead ore after one of their 'ufos' landed in an area..?
What's wrong with this picture?
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