Borley Rectory

That's excellent, sir. What the duties of a son should entail! Yea , my mom loved travelling too and the immediate family , I was first, has her ashes. Don't think there ever was a grave as such. My sister is into lots of weird stuff including reiki and she was told when mom died ,there was some 'disruption' in the afterlife... I told my brother this and we howled because we could imagine her in front of some celestial keeper shouting I'M NOT DEAD.PUT ME BACK RIGHT THIS INSTANT, OR THERE'LL BE TROUBLE.
My dad loved to travel. After he died my brother and I took his ashes on all subsequent trips we went on, so my dad is now everywhere, from the Lake District to the top of a Scottish mountain, and Australia.

I think he would approve.

Borley has always fascinated me, but I'm not entirely sure how much I believe. I think I'm all right up to the sisters seeing the nun, but after that it all seems to degenerate into some peculiar psychologies and mental ill health.
 
Another pic taken last night at Borley's churchyard. Obviously could be simulacra and around the time women's names came through on their spirit box. I looked up those names and neither are mentioned as women buried in the churchyard.

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I was reading through some threads on Reddit last week (along the lines of eerie/strange places in the UK and Borley came up a few times.
Generally, it was just people driving past and not stopping but feeling uncomfortable, driving into patches of mist that were in the village and nowhere else and not liking the atmosphere at all, feeling better when out off the village, etc.

All of them knew about Borley and were there because of interest in it so that might have had something to do with it. The place still exerts a pull even though the rectory is no longer there. Everything seems focussed on the church now.

I suppose what was called the ‘Nuns Walk’ where the nun was allegedly seen will be where the newer bungalows are now. I’ve never heard of any sightings but if I lived in one I‘m not sure I would mention it either.

Individuals or small groups of decent, fairly quiet people wouldn’t be a problem but groups doing the Most Haunted let’s-scream-at-everything-and-run for a lark could get old in the early hours of the morning.
 
I was reading through some threads on Reddit last week (along the lines of eerie/strange places in the UK and Borley came up a few times.
Generally, it was just people driving past and not stopping but feeling uncomfortable, driving into patches of mist that were in the village and nowhere else and not liking the atmosphere at all, feeling better when out off the village, etc.

All of them knew about Borley and were there because of interest in it so that might have had something to do with it. The place still exerts a pull even though the rectory is no longer there. Everything seems focussed on the church now.
This is very Pseud's Corner but I'm kinda reminded of the suggestive famous lines from a Mallarmé poem, about 'the flower absent from all bouquets'; Borley's influence on our emotions is perhaps a kind of haunting: its massive though unseen presence, the 'weight' of its reputation and the whole of its dark history is often still felt by those in proximity...even though the 'ghost' itself is actually or supposedly absent now.
 
Borley's influence on our emotions is perhaps a kind of haunting: its massive though unseen presence, the 'weight' of its reputation and the whole of its dark history is often still felt by those in proximity...even though the 'ghost' itself is actually or supposedly absent now.
Oh yes, it definitely has a ‘weight’ to it. I sometimes think even more so than famous (and much older) supposedly haunted places that are still in existence. Possibly even because the house itself has now gone. (Though the amount of people online who talk about it as if it’s still there is surprising).

It’s ’modern’ enough that we have interviews with people who lived there (such as the Bull sisters), and photographs but for us now, old enough to retain a kind of historical ‘glamour‘.

And the rectory itself, a massive, rambling impossibly Victorian monolith of a place looks as if it was simply begging for a ghost story anyway. But now there’s just this ‘presence, no building, that still drags people to the village and the books and discussions about it. It’s definitely a phenomenon.
 
Possibly even because the house itself has now gone
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at, in my nonsensical rambling way. In a manner of speaking, maybe it's somehow more of a presence now than when it actually still stood. And that's not solely due to the legends but also because of the weight of its collective, cultural power over people. I guess, in a vaguely similar sense, a gravestone has this power too: it's not merely a case of the obvious fact - that someone we might care about is buried beneath such stones.
 
Oh yes, it definitely has a ‘weight’ to it. I sometimes think even more so than famous (and much older) supposedly haunted places that are still in existence. Possibly even because the house itself has now gone. (Though the amount of people online who talk about it as if it’s still there is surprising).

It’s ’modern’ enough that we have interviews with people who lived there (such as the Bull sisters), and photographs but for us now, old enough to retain a kind of historical ‘glamour‘.

And the rectory itself, a massive, rambling impossibly Victorian monolith of a place looks as if it was simply begging for a ghost story anyway. But now there’s just this ‘presence, no building, that still drags people to the village and the books and discussions about it. It’s definitely a phenomenon.
I wouldn't pester the people who live in the newer buildings built on the grounds of the old rectory (unless I was somehow one day invited to visit) but it would be interesting to learn if anything weird's ever been reported by the newer residents. I imagine those newer buildings are flats now but who knows?.
 
And that's not solely due to the legends but also because of the weight of its collective, cultural power over people.

You weren’t rambling at all. I know exactly what you mean.

I wouldn't pester the people who live in the newer buildings built on the grounds of the old rectory (unless I was somehow one day invited to visit) but it would be interesting to learn if anything weird's ever been reported by the newer residents. I imagine those newer buildings are flats now but who knows?.

Google Earth shows some buildings and interestingly has ‘Borley Rectory‘ now marked (as a place of historic interest maybe? A few years ago it didn’t have that).

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I really wouldn't want to live near there. The effect of all the accounts would make me feel disturbed, at least; a bit like how I feel upon reading about some roadside ghosts, which apparently smile in a disturbingly languid and 'dreamy' way even when struck by a vehicle.
 
Comparing Google Earth to Price’s plan of Borley, looks like nothing’s built on the site of the rectory. Some books make it sound as if bungalows were constructed on top if the site but that doesn’t seem to be the case. They’re on the site of the garden.

The Stable Cottage is still there diagonally opposite the church. So it looks like the ‘Nun’s Walk’ runs at the bottom of those gardens. You can still make out the long shape of the rectory’s original garden. I honestly would be interested to know if anything’s been seen.

Harry Price’s Website



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I really wouldn't want to live near there.
I think perhaps if you were born and brought up there, the feeling wouldn’t be the same as you’d hear everything from when you were small. Maybe you would just get sick and tired of people gravitating toward the place.

Moving there, I think would be very different.

The cursor and corresponding cross-hairs show where the Rectory was, and the current site.

Thank you @DrPaulLee
 
Another pic taken last night at Borley's churchyard. Obviously could be simulacra and around the time women's names came through on their spirit box. I looked up those names and neither are mentioned as women buried in the churchyard.
A spirit box, as discussed here previously, is a radio scanner which sweeps whichever broadcast range it can & picks up snippets of random stations as it does - could be snatches of music or speech. The idea that somehow ghosts or spirits can use it to ‘break through’ to leave messages or communicate seems vanishingly unlikely to say the least, or to put it another way, total bollox.
 
A spirit box, as discussed here previously, is a radio scanner which sweeps whichever broadcast range it can & picks up snippets of random stations as it does - could be snatches of music or speech. The idea that somehow ghosts or spirits can use it to ‘break through’ to leave messages or communicate seems vanishingly unlikely to say the least, or to put it another way, total bollox.
Yep, I know how radio scanners work going back to the early 90's and I agree that they're total bollocks for paranormal investigations. We used to use them to listen to police communications back then (fun story: Staffordshire police got fed up with people illegally listening in so they hatched a plan: one of the coppers said something like "My God!. I don't know what it is. It's disc shaped with multi coloured lights. I've never seen anything like it!. We're at farmer Jones's fields just outside Lichfield." So loads of youth who were listening in on scanners drove over there then the police arrested them). Even worse are the phone apps that spout out random ominous sounding pre recorded words like "drowning" and "Victoria" with gullible crews hanging on every word that comes out of them then spending the rest of the night asking someone called Victoria if she died by drowning.

Having said that, I have watched footage of my friend Eddie Mallet at Baconsthorpe Castle using a spirit box with Chris Halton and the name Eddie came out of the box a few times during that session as well as at other locations so that's a harder one to explain other than post editing trickery.
 
Staffordshire police got fed up with people illegally listening in so they hatched a plan: one of the coppers said something like "My God!. I don't know what it is. It's disc shaped with multi coloured lights. I've never seen anything like it!. We're at farmer Jones's fields just outside Lichfield." So loads of youth who were listening in on scanners drove over there then the police arrested them.
:rofl:
 
With regards to ghosts and cemeteries, referenced previously, I have a large collection of local ghost books, and it is very rare for ghosts to be reported from cemeteries. The association of ghosts with graveyards seems to be a literary one, stemming from the association of burial grounds with the dead. I remember reading somewhere, decades ago, that it would be highly unlikely for a ghost to haunt a graveyard, because the interred residents received appropriate funerary rites. Whether you believe that or not, it does seem the case that the properly buried dead rarely haunt the place of their burial. Those ghosts that are reported from graveyards tend to be apparitions walking along the pathway, i.e. they are haunting the "living" part of the graveyard (the path used to get to the church), not the "dead" part; very occasionally apparitions of mourners are seen near a particular grave.
 
With regards to ghosts and cemeteries, referenced previously, I have a large collection of local ghost books, and it is very rare for ghosts to be reported from cemeteries. The association of ghosts with graveyards seems to be a literary one, stemming from the association of burial grounds with the dead. I remember reading somewhere, decades ago, that it would be highly unlikely for a ghost to haunt a graveyard, because the interred residents received appropriate funerary rites. Whether you believe that or not, it does seem the case that the properly buried dead rarely haunt the place of their burial. Those ghosts that are reported from graveyards tend to be apparitions walking along the pathway, i.e. they are haunting the "living" part of the graveyard (the path used to get to the church), not the "dead" part; very occasionally apparitions of mourners are seen near a particular grave.
Nail on head.
 
With regards to ghosts and cemeteries, referenced previously, I have a large collection of local ghost books, and it is very rare for ghosts to be reported from cemeteries. The association of ghosts with graveyards seems to be a literary one, stemming from the association of burial grounds with the dead. I remember reading somewhere, decades ago, that it would be highly unlikely for a ghost to haunt a graveyard, because the interred residents received appropriate funerary rites. Whether you believe that or not, it does seem the case that the properly buried dead rarely haunt the place of their burial. Those ghosts that are reported from graveyards tend to be apparitions walking along the pathway, i.e. they are haunting the "living" part of the graveyard (the path used to get to the church), not the "dead" part; very occasionally apparitions of mourners are seen near a particular grave.
Also, these people being buried will have died elsewhere and aside from fresh graves being dug, churches and churchyards are very stable places and many of the best ghost and poltergeist cases come from buildings and other locations that have undergone change
 
Maybe the 'gravity' of such ghostly appearances is a tell-tale sign of literary treatment, particularly with historical accounts of sightings. Simon mentioned ghostly promenades along pathways adjacent to cemeteries; I myself have read of ghostly processions within churches at night or of funerary rites; and so on. There's a stateliness to such sightings, as if the reader is meant to be impressed with the grave matters of life and death. Think of the famous illustration of Doctor Dee supposedly raising the dead: it's a striking picture and, therefore, the artist has done their job/achieved their aim - to make us ponder, in that old-fashioned way similar to memento mori, upon our mortality. I'm not at all claiming because of such treatments and because of the 'literary style' of such accounts, that ghosts do not exist (how would I know?) but the visual and verbal imagery does nevertheless suggest that trope of a moral lesson, one perhaps being tacked-on to genuine events.

There's a quite lovely quote, written by the acclaimed historian Thomas Macaulay, which I think is rather apt. It is about those noblemen and women who are buried within the church of Saint Peter ad Vincula , which is attached to that infamous place of execution and imprisonment and, yes, hauntings, the Tower of London:

'In truth there is no sadder spot on the earth than that little cemetery. Death is there associated, not, as in Westminster Abbey and Saint Paul's, with genius and virtue, with public veneration and with imperishable renown; not, as in our humblest churches and churchyards, with everything that is most endearing in social and domestic charities; but with whatever is darkest in human nature and in human destiny, with the savage triumph of implacable enemies, with the inconstancy, the ingratitude, the cowardice of friends, with all the miseries of fallen greatness and of blighted fame. Thither have been carried, through successive ages, by the rude hands of gaolers, without one mourner following, the bleeding relics of men who had been the captains of armies, the leaders of parties, the oracles of senates, and the ornaments of courts.'

Fine and memorable language, certainly...but note how the historian has wilfully left out the unpleasant facts, the scandals and the treachery and the unlimited ambitiousness of many of those who lie there; the recklessness with which they acted, so often out of sheer self-interest. In his quest to rail against the (supposed) injustices of established power and to elevate the deceased with claims of their Romantic heroism or pitiful status, Macaulay's poetic treatment glosses over often tawdry, inconvenient facts; but I guess the grit would've spoiled his tale. More saliently to this discussion: the heart-rending tale of Queen Catherine Howard's ghost, of her desperate attempt to reach her husband and so plead for her life, is rather spoiled by the inconvenient fact of Hampton Court Palace architecture - poor Catherine, whose ghost famously haunts the Gallery, never ran there.
 
More saliently to this discussion: the heart-rending tale of Queen Catherine Howard's ghost, of her desperate attempt to reach her husband and so plead for her life, is rather spoiled by the inconvenient fact of Hampton Court Palace architecture - poor Catherine, whose ghost famously haunts the Gallery, never ran there.
And yet it is a particularly well-attested ghost, IIRC.
 
And yet it is a particularly well-attested ghost, IIRC.
And, I think, an especially interesting one. One which suggests to me a possible reason for people seeing or feeling such (assumed) presences: a kind of collective sympathy - in both senses of that word - that arguably only incidentally suggests a 'stone tape' explanation. Catherine's story is suitably tragic, the stuff of high and heart-breaking emotion. Not a few Victorian, and even some modern-day historians, have pulled no punches in their damning consideration of her infidelities; thankfully, these days ever more historians view her as more victim than villain. Her story has tremendous impact, not least on our sympathies, and this could possibly explain why her ghost is seen, felt, heard or even merely imagined into our reality.
 
On that note:

I've just read the Wikipedia article about the Stone Tape theory/speculation ~

* Having read it, I wonder now if I just want it to be true...but the reality of it does rather seems against the odds.

* I didn't know that our forum's Sharon Hill was famous!; famous enough to be quoted in the article.
 
I've been in touch with Ian Franklin, who was a tour guide at Hampton Court before he retired. He had an interest in ghosts and had access to the ghost reports and archives at the Court and he says there is no evidence at all of Howard's ghost running along the Haunted Gallery. He says that the tale was invented in Victorian times by a lady who wanted "a pretext to change her grace-and-favour apartment" (this is how Alison Weir phrased it, as she too had been in touch with Ian Franklin about the ghosts there).

Most of the hauntings at Hampton are very low key. Ian says that his researches, before he retired, fill three folders of material. In a talk to the Ghost Club c.2000 (before he retired), the most interesting case was an amorphous orange blob which they nicknamed "Mr Blobby."

It's all a bit disgraceful of Hampton Court staff to trump up the fictitious stories to bring in visitors especially at Halloween when they know damn well there's nothing to substantiate the more spectacular cases.
 
This is very Pseud's Corner but I'm kinda reminded of the suggestive famous lines from a Mallarmé poem, about 'the flower absent from all bouquets'; Borley's influence on our emotions is perhaps a kind of haunting: its massive though unseen presence, the 'weight' of its reputation and the whole of its dark history is often still felt by those in proximity...even though the 'ghost' itself is actually or supposedly absent now.
I think the weight of history creates a sort of 'spirit of place'. If you visit places like Fountains Abbey for example, anyone with even a vague interest in the history of the site can 'feel' those years of use almost pressing down on your head, which must give rise to a certain expectation that the inhabitants are still around. So I think that stories can do the same thing - enough stories about a history of a location might imbue it with the same effect? Which is why people still 'feel something strange' in places where there has been a history of strange stories, even if those stories have subsequently been proved to be entire inventions.

Does anyone have the same feelings about places like Plockley - also rumoured to be multiply-haunted?
 
I've driven through Pluckley but given the reported hostility towards ghost chasers, I didn't ask any questions at the few venues I stopped in for a drink (though one place I later emailed was *very* dismissive). I would like to do some more research on the area but author Neil Arnold who has, says that many of the reports date from very recent times and some of the phenomena, especially auditory can be attributed to wildlife.

Another place with a strong police presence at Halloween. Visitors are definitely not welcome there then!
 
It appears a bit of a lottery, how people will react to being asked. As I've mentioned on here previously, my mum once spoke to a staff member about the alleged ghosts at Anne Boleyn's childhood home; while the lady was seemingly thrilled to discuss what she knew and what her fellow staff members had experienced, this was all practically delivered in a whisper - because, apparently, her bosses didn't encourage the spreading of such revelations (can't think why, tbh).
 
I've driven through Pluckley but given the reported hostility towards ghost chasers, I didn't ask any questions at the few venues I stopped in for a drink (though one place I later emailed was *very* dismissive). I would like to do some more research on the area but author Neil Arnold who has, says that many of the reports date from very recent times and some of the phenomena, especially auditory can be attributed to wildlife.

Another place with a strong police presence at Halloween. Visitors are definitely not welcome there then!
I'll send you the contact details via pm of someone who had a strange experience there that he recounted to me back when he and some friends were younger and they spent the night there in the churchyard with a then alive vicar involved in this story. This same chap's still a paranormal investigator and he's also joined us on a few nights out.
 
@Steven
I had exactly the same problem when I did my survey. It royally pissed me off when places that ignored my requests were only too happy to chat to the press about their ghosts shortly afterwards - this included a few famous locations .
But there are places that were very happy to speak of their spooks, even if they admitted that all was quiet as of late.
 
Given that many of these places are not up for sale, I don't understand why those in charge (or employed there) don't freely volunteer information about any unusual phenomena; it's not as if they're afraid of putting off potential buyers.
 
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