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Cases Of Little Or No Brain; Unusually Small Or Partial Brains

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I've heard stories of mentally handicapped people having no more than a brain stem, and various horrible injuries sustained that necessitated the removal of large parts of the brain (ship worker crushed inbetween ship and dock, train worker having steel bar though noggin, lad having half brain removed because he was shot, etc.) and they remained largely unaffected, save for changes in temper, personality, etc.
 
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Racking my brains to think of the source (I think it was FT) but wasn't there a child who was born with no brain but still managed somehow to live?????? Or maybe I've just imagined the whole thing....
 
Some research has also been done on hydocephalus.
I think they concentrated on the link between the size of the brain and intelligence - turns out that a small brain doesn't necessarily equate with low IQ.
But some of the people who took part in the tests had very small brains/little brain matter. I'll try and find a reference for it if anyone's interested.
 
There is an urban legend about John Lennon (and Che Guevara, amd probably other famous people as well) that when he died they found out that he had only 10% of the normal volume of the brain, thus "proving" that we only use 10% of our brains.

The "scientific" explanation is that it is a very rare form of hydrocephalus, in which the water is inside the brain rather than outside, so the head/skull is normal sized, but most of the bit where the brain would be is in fact a sac of fluid, the brain itself being limited to a thin strip at the front of the skull.

Whether or not this has ever actually been medically recorded, I dont know (although its definitely not true in the case of John Lennon according to the Straight Dope website (where I saw the legend)).

I do know kids have had one whole hemisphere of their brains removed to prevent particularly severe forms of epilepsy and, despite initially being paralysed down one side like stroke victims, have fully recovered the use of that side because in a young child new brain connections can still be formed, and x-rays taken a year later showed the one brain hemisphere was actually enlarghed and had taken on the function of two.
 
I heard this, oddly believable, urban legend some years ago but have never come across it since. I wonder if anyone else has or if they can shed any light on it ?

"A friend of a friend knew this man who used to work in the local factory. He was never a big talker or the life and soul of the party, but he managed to hold down his job and he enjoyed a game of pool in the pub after work. One day he died suddenly. He was only in his 20s or 30s. He had been physically fit and they had trouble ascertaining what had caused his death... until they looked at his brain. His skull was mostly filled with fluid and what tiny portion of brain that was left, was only the size of a walnut. The doctors reckoned he must have been functioning on just this small piece of brain for some time."
 
Ah! And I thought this thread was about.... well, never mind.

But an interesting topic: there have been people who've earned University degrees with (literally) half a brain.

I would look up some links via Google, but I've got to try to improve my score on FreeCell (which is far cleverer than me, despite not having a brain at all, just a silicon chip).
 
There was something related to this in a recent New Scientist I think. Some article mentioned something about some researcher who claimed to have encountered this in a patient. None of the subsequent letters about it believed it IIRC. Will have a look in my back issues when I get home.
 
There was a programme on tv years ago about a bloke with not much brain who was perfectly normal , apparently when he was a baby you could shine a torch right through his head ! I seem to remember his skull filled up with some sort of tissue over time but it was not working brain matter .
 
Marion said:
There was a programme on tv years ago about a bloke with not much brain who was perfectly normal , apparently when he was a baby you could shine a torch right through his head !

What kinds of people go around shining torches through babies' heads ? :( :)

Seriously though, if that bloke was 'perfectly normal' with such a small brain - it makes you wonder how much of an average-sized brain must be deadweight, so to speak.
 
We're always being told that we only use 10% or whatever of our brains, but I always assumed the 10% wasn't all clumped together: perhaps the chap in question (and yes, I remember the TV prog too) just had all the relevant bits.

From what I can tell we don't really know what 90% of our brain does anyway - perhaps it does something we're not ready to know about yet.

Stu
 
Mystery solved !

I've just spoken to the person who originally told me the tale (about ten years ago) and learned the story is actually true. They had heard it on 'Medicine Now' on Radio 4 during an interview with a pathologist.

It was my false memory (perhaps I didn't want to believe this story ???) which had turned it into an urban legend. Perhaps my brain is also shrinking ?
 
Hi all,

I try to find sources for stories of people living with their brain heavily damaged.

I remember a story few years ago, about a young child that could learn and think quite normaly, but scanners showed his brain was so tiny that one could say there was no brain at all in his brain.

Do you remember this story ? Any source about it?

Thanks for your help,

Regards,

Gregory
 
Hi Gregory,

I remember the story you speak of, but can't recall where I saw it. It was in a book, something about the unexplained I think...I read it when I was small.

Anyway, I did a google for info, and found that a disorder called hydrocephallis (water on the brain) can result in children having little brain tissue left, due to the pressure of the cerebral fluid.

After some more googling, I found this article, which I've only just started reading, but might be of interest to you:

"Is Your Brain Really Necessary?"
enidreed.com/serv01.htm
Link is dead. No archived version found.

This is the article that was linked above:


Is your brain really necessary?
By R Lewin
Science 12 Dec 1980:
Vol. 210, Issue 4475, pp. 1232-1234
DOI: 10.1126/science.7434023

The first page is accessible at:
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/210/4475/1232
(The rest of the article requires a login / subscription)
However ...

The full article can be accessed via ResearchGate:

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...701376@1493134907298/download/Science1980.pdf


I will keep looking for other info.

pinkle
 
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I don't know about small brains or anything, but I remember seeing a guy on a talkshow a few years ago who was basically missing half his head. It was due to some accident, yet he could still function normally. I'll see if I can dig up anything.
 
In my family there are several members who foster children, one small girl (I think she was 6) that was fostered for several months only had the left side of her brain, the right side was damaged when she was a baby and never developed.

She was not very good at physical activity and would often need to rest or simply not be co-ordinated enough to play some games, but was very good at maths and spoke two languages (English and Urdu)
 
My friend Janine has almost half her brain missing after a nasty road accident. She seems to be able to do everything normally, including holding down a high-level technical job and playing keyboards.
 
Is it not true that if part of the brain is missing or damaged that the healthy parts adapt to reroute neural pathways to compensate or take over most functions in the damaged part? The brain is roughtly symetrical anyway so it should not be too much fuss to duplicate functions, its not like we use it all anyway is it.

The sides are not that important, its the front and bottom of the brain that are the most important parts I think. And I think half of the front can do the same job as the whole of it, lose a bit of the brainstem or "lizard brain" at the bottom, you lose autonomic functions etc and you are screwed.
 
Is your brain really necessary?

So, what does our brain do? I thought I knew the answer, until I read the below....

(no prizes for anyone guessing which site I have recently been looking at).

I seem to recall FT mentioning the odd "no-brainer" person - but have never come across it all brought together.


Is your brain really necessary?

Do you really have to have a brain? The reason for my apparently
absurd question is the remarkable research conducted at the
University of Sheffield by neurology professor John Lorber.
When Sheffield's campus doctor was treating one of the
mathematics students for a minor ailment, he noticed that the
student's head was a little larger than normal. The doctor
referred the student to professor Lorber for further examination.
The student in question was academically bright, had a reported
IQ of 126 and was expected to graduate. When he was examined by
CAT-scan, however, Lorber discovered that he had virtually no
brain at all.
Instead of two hemispheres filling the cranial cavity, some 4.5
centimetres deep, the student had less than 1 millimetre of
cerebral tissue covering the top of his spinal column.
The student was suffering from hydrocephalus, the condition in
which the cerebrospinal fluid, instead of circulating around the
brain and entering the bloodstream, becomes dammed up inside the
brain.
Normally, the condition is fatal in the first months of
childhood. Even where an individual survives he or she is usually
seriously handicapped. Somehow, though, the Sheffield student had
lived a perfectly normal life and went on to gain an honours
degree in mathematics.
This case is by no means as rare as it seems. In 1970, a New
Yorker died at the age of 35. He had left school with no
academic achievements, but had worked at manual jobs such as
building janitor, and was a popular figure in his neighbourhood.
Tenants of the building where he worked described him as passing
the days performing his routine chores, such as tending the
boiler, and reading the tabloid newspapers. When an autopsy was
performed to determine the cause of his premature death he, too,
was found to have practically no brain at all.
Professor Lorber has identified several hundred people who have
very small cerebral hemispheres but who appear to be normal
intelligent individuals. Some of them he describes as having 'no
detectable brain', yet they have scored up to 120 on IQ tests.
No-one knows how people with 'no detectable brain' are able to
function at all, let alone to graduate in mathematics, but there
are a couple theories. One idea is that there is such a high
level of redundancy of function in the normal brain that what
little remains is able to learn to deputise for the missing
hemispheres. Another, similar, suggestion is the old idea that
we only use a small percentage of our brains anyway -- perhaps as
little a 10 per cent.
The trouble with these ideas is that more recent research seems
to contradict them. The functions of the brain have been mapped
comprehensively and although there is some redundancy there is
also a high degree of specialisation -- the motor area and the
visual cortex being highly specific for instance. Similarly, the
idea that we 'only use 10 per cent of our brain' is a
misunderstanding dating from research in the 1930s in which the
functions of large areas of the cortex could not be determined
and were dubbed 'silent', when in fact they are linked with
important functions like speech and abstract thinking.
The other interesting thing about Lorber's findings is that they
remind us of the mystery of memory. At first it was thought that
memory would have some physical substrate in the brain, like the
memory chips in a PC. But extensive investigation of the brain
has turned up the surprising fact that memory is not located in
any one area or in a specific substrate. As one eminent
neurologist put it, 'memory is everywhere in the brain and
nowhere.'
But if the brain is not a mechanism for classifying and storing
experiences and analysing them to enable us to live our lives
then what on earth is the brain for? And where is the seat of
human intelligence? Where is the mind?
The only biologist to propose a radically novel approach to these
questions is Dr Rupert Sheldrake. In his book A New Science of
Life Sheldrake rejected the idea that the brain is a warehouse
for memories and suggested it is more like a radio receiver for
tuning into the past. Memory is not a recording process in which
a medium is altered to store records, but a journey that the mind
makes into the past via the process of morphic resonance.
But, of course, such a crazy idea couldn't possibly be true,
could it?

alternativescience.com/no_brainer.htm
Link is dead (and apparently so is the website). No archived version found.
 
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I quoted a longer article here:

https://forums.forteana.org/index.p...ng-or-embedded-in-ones-head.11850/post-297935

which included this:

The brain is a hotch-potch of areas that range from being so sensitive that the slightest knock will cause serious damage to so apparently redundant that you would hardly notice if they weren't there. The tiniest amount of damage to certain outer regions of the cortex, a layer of brain roughly above your ears, for example, can cause permanent paralysis to a part of the body. But damage parts of the frontal lobes, and you might not notice. "The frontal lobes only do a bit of emotion. You can scoop out tonnes of the stuff and it doesn't seem to make much difference," says Bulstrode.

So you can probably do without an awful lot of whats in your head ;)

PS - I asked for these two threads to be merged.

Emps
 
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My brain is definitely necessary. I have no intention of trying to live without it.

On the other hand, as the study above shows, it's not clear just how much is absolutely essential.

Consider the humble cubuzoan, or box jellyfish. These transparent animals are accomplished hunters. Hunting is a collection of complicated behaviours which requires the processing of sensory data in order to produce an appropriate reaction.

The thing is, cubuzoans do not have anything that might be termed a brain. Researchers are somewhat flummoxed as to where it does all the necessary processing.

Studies of other species have shown that it is most likely that brain structure is an incredibly complicated issue, and that there is no clear connection between brain size and intelligence.
 
In Cubatao (world's most polluted town according to Sepultura) Brazil, there were loads of babies born in the 70s without brains. I don't think any of them survived though.

The REALLY important parts of the brain are the squidgy hypothalamus and the cauliflower-like cerebellum. The hippocampus is important to some degree, but is not associated with autonomic functions. However, if it got damaged you'd be hard pressed to remember anything as it controls short term memory and the bridge from short to long term. When it comes to the cerebrum, were in a pretty ambiguous region. As mention before, damage some tiny part of either lobe, and you could find yourself quite dead, however, damage a massive part of one or both, and there may not be a ultra-perceptible change. When damage has occurred, the brain is capable of rewiring itself, and so you get people who've lost a chunk, and have to learn to walk or speak again. It's almost as if the huge mass is some kind of backup device, should other parts stop functioning.

With regard to the idea of having an encephalitic sludge floating around instead of solid mass, well, it -could- work on the basis that within that sludge there are lots of electrolytes which conduct electrical charge, and, if you're familiar with my theories on life, the universe and everything, contain and conduct the energy based soul.

Ermmm.. This wasn't the time OR the place was it? :blush:
 
there was a tv show recently, on the bbc i think, which featured a woman who is a nurse, and the only part of her brain that hse appeared to have was the outer part. They showed some x-rays of this, and the skull appeared almost empty...
 
Mr Snowman said:
Ermmm.. This wasn't the time OR the place was it? :blush:
I found that very informative. Thanks for sharing.
 
I can't contribute much to this debate as my knowledge in such matters ranges from extremely little to bugger all, but I find this whole subject fascinating.

I do recall, very vaguely, reading something in my early teens, which theorised that the brain is but a receptacle for individual conciousness, and more of a channeling device rather than a functioning organ, but I have no idea where I read this at all.
 
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Well the scarecrow seemed to function very well without a brain for the duration of an entire movie. :p

Whoops! Wrong thread. :eek:

[edit] Seriously though, I did read somewhere that the abdomen has some sort of "grey matter" cells that they think could be a mini brain in the stomach area. When one gets a "gut feeling." it is this mini brain functioning. Of course I forgot where I read it so I can't quote the source. Anyone else remember something like that?

I am thinking that if there are brain cells elsewhere in the body, the one in the head may be less necessary than generally perceived. We could then get into Quantum Physics and expound on how consciousness is in EVERYTHING, but that is for another thread too.

Ok no cracking jokes about my brainlessness!
 
chockfullahate said:
there was a tv show recently, on the bbc i think, which featured a woman who is a nurse, and the only part of her brain that hse appeared to have was the outer part. They showed some x-rays of this, and the skull appeared almost empty...

Is that the same show in which later on she was shown by MRI or somesuch to have almost all her brain present, just a lot of the structures were pushed down towards the foramen magnum? It turned out her estimated brain volume was actually greater than that of her husband IIRC.
 
was on about 4 weeks ago i think, on a sunday night, could well have been the same program because I didn't see the whole show.
 
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