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Cave Of The Crystals (Giant Crystals; Naica, Mexico)

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Who is the woman featured smiling happily at the beginning of this article? She looks very comfortable considering the conditions described further on - 'temperatures of 140 degrees and 100% humidity'. Was this photo taken within the cavern (as implied) or is it from somewhere else, having been added to the article by a lazy picture editor?
 
p.younger said:
So, where's the link to the article?.




Try here
It was in Breaking News t'other day.

BTW, Mana, if you're starting a thread, you should include a link (if necessary)
 
Remember Supermans Ice Palace?

Think of that, underground in Mexico.

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Found deep in a mine in southern Chihuahua Mexico, these crystals were formed in a natural cave totally enclosed in bedrock. When I first stepped into the cavern it was like walking into the Land of the Giants. I have often admired crystal geodes held in my hand, but when photographing these unique natural structures it was almost impossible to get any sense of scale. This is a geode full of spectacular crystals as tall as pine trees, and in some cases greater in circumference. They have formed beautiful crystals that are a translucent gold and silver in color, and come in many incredible forms and shapes. Some of the largest are essentially columnar in shape and stand thirty to fifty feet high and three to four feet in diameter. Many of the smaller examples are four to six feet in circumference, have many incredible geometrical shapes, and probably weigh in excess of ten tons. The columnar pillars are at first the most striking shape, but later I noticed there were thousands of "sharks teeth" up to three feet high placed row upon row and dispersed at odd angles throughout the caverns. While some of the crystals are attached to the ceiling walls and floors of the cave as might be expected, some exist in great masses of spikes and almost float in air. These crystals seem to defy gravity, as they must weigh several tons.

The pictures are frankly amazing. :)
 
I saw an Attenborough prog recently (can't remember which one though) that showed those caverns.

The film crew stayed (slept and lived) down in the caverns for a number of days in order to get the shots of the crystals just right and yeah, it looked absolutely stunning down there.
 
Nah, somebody photoshopped those figures onto some microscope slides!



:D :D :D
 
my! those are some of the most fantastic pics ive seen in a long while!!
 
Is there actually any limit on the size of crystals? Didn't think you could get them that big.
 
IIRC, the slower a crystal grows, the bigger it can become.
 
IIRC, the slower a crystal grows, the bigger it can become.

true...

good old days in the chemistry lab at school...
 
as a wee aside...

this is exactly like the film "journey to the centre of the earth"...just before they fight the iguana (sorry i mean Monster)...


and also the hideous film..."the core"...when the ship (yes) reaches the "crystal zone" in the earths mantle...(not a computer game level afaik)

oh what a crap film...
 
TheQuixote said:
I saw an Attenborough prog recently (can't remember which one though) that showed those caverns.

The film crew stayed (slept and lived) down in the caverns for a number of days in order to get the shots of the crystals just right and yeah, it looked absolutely stunning down there.
I bet that was just an excuse to get David (80) down there and bathe him in their revivifying crystal energies, so as he'll last another 80.

And all on BBC expenses. ;)
 
TheQuixote said:
I saw an Attenborough prog recently (can't remember which one though) that showed those caverns.

The film crew stayed (slept and lived) down in the caverns for a number of days in order to get the shots of the crystals just right and yeah, it looked absolutely stunning down there.
Planet Earth.

Just screened the first series Down Under. They just get better and better. Can't wait for the follow up next year. You guys 'oop naath' should get the second series in about 3 months.
 
I noticed an article on the BBC on how the huge crystals may have grown. Looks like it took 100's of 1000's of years. They say there may be other giant crystal caves not yet discovered.

With lengths over 11m, the giant gypsum crystals found in Mexico's Cueva de los Cristales are a great natural wonder.

Now, a Spanish-Mexican team thinks it can explain how these marvels acquired their immense form.

The scientists studied tiny pockets of fluid trapped in the crystals and conducted back-up lab experiments.

They report in the journal Geology that the solution from which the crystals grew must have been kept in a very narrow, stable temperature range.

The researchers' analysis leads them to believe there are other dramatic caves waiting to be discovered in the Naica mine complex south-east of Chihuahua city.

"If the theory we propose for the 'genetic' mechanisms of the crystals is right, then I would not be surprised if miners find more of these caves in the next few years," Juan Manuel Garcia-Ruiz, from the University of Granada, Spain, told BBC News.

Already two remarkable caves are known at Naica, which has yielded some of the world's most significant deposits of silver and lead.

The 120m-deep Cueva de las Espadas (Cave of Swords), discovered in 1912, is named for its metre-long shafts of gypsum (a calcium sulphate mineral that incorporates water molecules into its chemical formula).

And although individually there are fewer crystals in the 290m-deep Cueva de los Cristales, its beams are considerably bigger.

Professor Garcia-Ruiz and colleagues believe they can now show how these differences emerged.

The team studied tiny fluid samples embedded inside the crystals themselves.

These watery inclusions record tell-tale chemical details of the saline and temperature conditions of the saturated solution from which the mammoth structures developed.

Both caves owe their origin to the volcanism which laid down the metal sulphides - the ores - that have proved so valuable.

Copious amounts of calcium sulphate would also have been created towards the end of this mineralisation process more than 20 million years ago - but in the hot fluids that infused the cracks and cavities in the rock, this calcium sulphate would have taken the form of anhydrite.

Anhydrite has the same chemical formula as gypsum, except that it excludes water. Only as the magma chamber deep under the Naica mountain cooled did the hot fluids above start to fall to a temperature at which anhydrite could switch to gypsum.

Professor Garcia-Ruiz and colleagues say their studies indicate that the deeper of the two caves - Cueva de los Cristales - must have been kept just below the transition temperature for many hundreds of thousands of years.

"The conditions were perfect. By maintaining the temperature just below 58 degrees for a very long time you get a few, very big crystals," said Professor Garcia-Ruiz.

"You can see that many areas on the cave's walls are empty; they have no crystals. The walls are red because of the iron oxide. The reason we know this happened for many years is because we studied the fluid inclusions inside the crystals."

It is likely the upper cave - Cueva de las Espadas - fell below the transition temperature much more rapidly and consequently grew many, smaller crystals.

The particular crystalline form taken by the gypsum is selenite which is known for its translucency.

Their future will be dependent on the fate of the mine.

At the moment, access is restricted to prevent damage to the soft crystals.

And humans can only get in the caves at all because of the continuous pumping operations that keep them clear of water.

If, when Naica's ores are no longer viable, the mine is closed and the pumping is stopped, then the caves will be submerged - and the crystals will start growing again.

"I've recommended to the mining company that they try to preserve them and I would like to see Unesco get involved," explained Professor Garcia-Ruiz.

"Later on we should decide whether to keep them available for people to visit and enjoy, or let the natural scenario return."
 
Oh my!!! :shock:

That is so cool! I want my very own crystal cave!!!

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking???

JEWELRY!!!

LOL--I can't help it, I am totally addicted to jewelry, my mouth is watering looking at all those gorgeous crystals..... :p 8) :lol:
 
There's more...

World's largest crystal discovered in Mexican cave
Hidden deep beneath the surface of the Earth is one of the greatest natural marvels on the planet: a giant crystal cave packed with crystals up to 36 feet long and weighing 55 tons.
By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:50AM GMT 28 Oct 2008

Buried a thousand feet below Naica mountain in the Chihuahuan Desert of Mexico, the cave was discovered by two miners excavating a new tunnel for a commercial lead and silver mine.

Known as Mexico's Cueva de los Cristales (Cave of Crystals) it contains some of the world's largest known natural crystals–translucent beams of gypsum as long as 36 feet and softer than human nails.

The crystals thrived in the cave's extremely rare and stable natural environment. Temperatures hovered consistently around a steamy 136 degrees Fahrenheit (58 degrees Celsius), and the cave was filled with mineral-rich water that drove the crystals' growth.

However, if a human was exposed to the scorching temperatures of the cavern, it could kill him after just 15 minutes of exposure.

The cave's deadly heat comes from the depths of the Earth. Naica sits on a set of fault lines. A magma chamber a mile-and-a-half down warms the water that flows throughout the mountain

Modern-day mining operations exposed the natural wonder by pumping water out of the 30-by-90-foot cave, which was found in 2000 near the town of Delicias.

Naica is one of the most productive lead mines in the world, and a huge supplier of the world's silver as well.

Now the mining company has been asked to preserve the caves.

"There is no other place on the planet," said geologist Juan Manuel García-Ruiz.

"Where the mineral world reveals itself in such beauty. It's the Sistine Chapel of crystals."

The story will appear in the November issue of the National Geographic Magazine.

The stunning crystal pillars are made from the same common mineral as drywall, which is called gypsum.

The largest crystal found at Naica is 500,000 years old.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... -cave.html
 
A rare glimpse in the cave of crystals
Mexico's Cave of Crystals stunned geologists when it was first discovered in 2000. The underground chamber contains some of the largest natural crystals ever found - some of the selenite structures have grown to more than 10m long. Professor Iain Stewart got a rare glimpse of the subterranean spectacle while filming for the new BBC series How the Earth Made Us.

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We kept on being told how difficult it was going to be to film in the Naica Cave, but nothing really prepares you for the extremes of that cavern.

It's about 50C in there, but it's the virtually 100% humidity added on top that makes it a potential killer.

That combination means that when you breathe air into your body, the surface of your lungs is actually the coolest surface the air encounters. That means the fluid starts to condense inside your lungs - and that's really not good news. :shock:

When the cave was first discovered it was just an accident.

Miners working in the Naica silver mine broke through the walls of the cavern and were astounded to discover these enormous crystals - the biggest anywhere on Earth.

But when the first people went in to explore, they were almost overcome by the conditions - and there's some pretty hairy video footage of them coming out of the cave on the verge of losing consciousness. So we knew the dangers were real.

When you first look at the kit your first thought is: "Is that it?"

There's a special cooling suit - which is basically like a suit of chain mail but filled with ice cubes.

Then there's a breathing system which feeds cool, dry air into your mask.

It's OK to take the mask off for a short while, but do without it for more than about 10 minutes, and it's likely that you're going to start keeling over.

I was lucky of course. All I had to do was stand there and talk, but the cameraman and all the others helping set out the lights were having to work in these conditions, wearing these cumbersome suits, and they really struggled.

We had a doctor outside the cave to monitor our vital signs, and we were coming out of the cavern with our heart rates up at 180.

The biggest danger was falling over; rescuing someone inside would have been very tricky.

Despite all the dangers, my overwhelming memory is the sheer beauty of the place.

Whenever people around me were faffing around with equipment, I'd just stop and look around at the crystals.

It's such a glorious place, it's like being in a modern art exhibit.

I kept reminding myself: "You're in the Naica Cave", because there's only a handful of geologists that have ever been in there, and so I was aware of how incredibly privileged I was.

Yet remarkably, for the people who own and run the Naica mine, the crystal cave is a side-show, a distraction.

They don't make any money out of it and sooner or later, when the economics of the mine change, it will close. :(

The pumps will be taken out, the mine and the cave will flood, and the crystals will once more be out of our reach.

But perhaps we should console ourselves with the thought that there are certainly lots more crystal caves waiting to be discovered.

For starters, the geology of the area around the cave suggests that there could be more crystal caves in the area around Naica.

But more broadly, the Earth's crust must be riddled with wonders like this.

We know more about the outer edges of the Solar System than we do about the first kilometre of the Earth's crust.

As we learn more about the crust, we can be sure that there will be discoveries even more spectacular than Naica. I just hope I'm around to see them.

How the Earth Made Us: The epic story of how geology, geography and climate have influenced mankind is on Tuesday 19th January on BBC Two at 2100 GMT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8466493.stm
 
On first impressions, it's exactly like a scene from, 'Journey To The Centre Of The Earth'. The scale just seems bizarre and unreal.

Are there more places like that, still tucked away deep under the Earth and waiting to be found?
 
Mike_Pratt33's 2007 post deleted because of a copyright complaint.

Just to remind everyone: please don't copy and paste published articles into your posts, you're infringing copyright.

Cheers
Jen
 
It is a remarkable discovery in an amazing place.

Scientists have extracted long-dormant microbes from inside the famous giant crystals of the Naica mountain caves in Mexico - and revived them.

The organisms were likely encased in the striking shafts of gypsum at least 10,000 years ago, and possibly up to 50,000 years ago.

It is another demonstration of the ability of life to adapt and cope in the most hostile of environments.

"Other people have made longer-term claims for the antiquity of organisms that were still alive, but in this case these organisms are all very extraordinary - they are not very closely related to anything in the known genetic databases," said Dr Penelope Boston.


Continued With Photographs:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39013829
 
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