Children's Encounter With Odd Humanoid (Isle Of Wight; May 1973)

SimonBurchell said:
Dammit. I was just reading FT455 and spotted a little review in the "also received" section of the book reviews, The Isle of Wight Entity Case. I immediately went to Amazon to buy a copy, to find it out of stock and unlikely to be restocked. I went to the publisher's website in Sweden (afushop.se) and looked for it there, also out of stock. I couldn't find a publisher's online store for Flying Disk Press, based in Yorkshire; their shopfront seems to be on Amazon. It seems this book is fairy gold.
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If it’s any help, Philip Mantle’s Flying Disk Prrss blog is here: http://flyingdiskpress.blogspot.com/
It includes his email address.
 
SimonBurchell said:
Dammit. I was just reading FT455 and spotted a little review in the "also received" section of the book reviews, The Isle of Wight Entity Case. I immediately went to Amazon to buy a copy, to find it out of stock and unlikely to be restocked. I went to the publisher's website in Sweden (afushop.se) and looked for it there, also out of stock. I couldn't find a publisher's online store for Flying Disk Press, based in Yorkshire; their shopfront seems to be on Amazon. It seems this book is fairy gold.
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I bought a Kindle copy. The entire section devoted to the investigation was missing. Got a refund from Amazon and emailed Philip Mantle just to let him know but he didn't reply.

Seems that have pulled the Kindle edition and the book is out of print so I wonder if even the £20 ones out there are complete
 
Paul_Exeter said:
I bought a Kindle copy. The entire section devoted to the investigation was missing. Got a refund from Amazon and emailed Philip Mantle just to let him know but he didn't reply.

Seems that have pulled the Kindle edition and the book is out of print so I wonder if even the £20 ones out there are complete
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That was £20  plus £30 shipping from the US!
 
SimonBurchell said:
That was £20  plus £30 shipping from the US!
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All I got was an introduction that told me nothing new and then blank pages followed by a conclusion (ditto), not sure I would want to risk £50

Interesting article on this case, well worth a read:

The case is highly unique in many ways, but as with most anomalous experiences, there are similar ones on record. For example, when anomalist John Keel was doing research for his book, The Mothman Prophecies, he heard a story from Leonard Elmore of Duncan Falls, Ohio. In October 1966, the 72-year-old Leonard was out for an early-morning walk when he saw an unfamiliar “L-shaped building” in the middle of the field. Leonard got close enough to discover that it looked like a “galvanized iron shed,” though it had no windows or doors. Suddenly he heard a male voice come from the shed saying, “Don’t run… don’t run.” Leonard immediately walked home to retrieve his rifle, then returned to the location, only to find the shed now gone.(14)

The fact that the electrical workers didn’t appear to see the interaction is reminiscent of another case from Riverside County, California in 1955. According to a report from the Center for UFO Studies, on August 22nd, a group of 8 or 9 boys were playing in a family garden when they saw several strange UFOs appear. But when a parent came out to look, the UFOs would disappear. And at least once that afternoon, one of the parents saw nothing, even when the objects were still visible to the kids. The kids also saw unusual-looking entities that spoke to one of them, and hypnotised another. The whole encounter so disturbed the kids that one was still crying an hour later when a reporter arrived.(15)

https://www.thinkanomalous.com/sandown-ghost-clown.html
 
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I read the kindle edition a while ago and it seemed okay, so possibly it's a recent problem. Some of the reproduced forms/articles were a bit hard to read (though possibly my device).I don't recall it having any major new revelations. I got it on kindle unlimited so didn't keep hold of it.
 
WulversStane said:
I read the kindle edition a while ago and it seemed okay, so possibly it's a recent problem. Some of the reproduced forms/articles were a bit hard to read (though possibly my device).I don't recall it having any major new revelations. I got it on kindle unlimited so didn't keep hold of it.
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I can't find it for download on Kindle.
 
maximus otter said:
Idly browsing YouTube for “Isle of Wight, 70s” stuff, l found this 8mm home movie of a day trip in 1972:


At about 1:45 we see tourists at a DIY kiosk where they can buy various colours of Alum Bay sand to pour into glass tubes to act as decorations. (We had to make our own fun back then.) The kiosk advertises “21 colours.”

“All colours sand”?

:thought:

maximus otter
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Worth flagging this one up again.

'Sam' contradicts himself by saying he "has no name" following the girl spelling out the letters and words to make "hello, I am all colours Sam'.

'All colours [of] sand' could indeed be a dream memory.

We have to remember this was a verbal account of the events to her father, he may have misheard 'sand' as "Sam' and Fay maybe just called him the "funny man' or whatever afterwards.

If only he had tape recorded her.

I found this link on Reddit, apparently there has been another claimed encounter:


I'm listening now and I have to say I woulds never choose to listen to these guys
 
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Paul_Exeter said:
"hello, I am all colours Sam'.
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That friendly and cheerful greeting really nags away at me, and has done since I first read this thread - because it's so familiar that it triggers what may in fact be a false memory of a children's tv programme that didn't actually exist. The style of the greeting - open, easily understandable, pleasant - is perhaps so typical of the beginning of children's tv programmes that it might be leading me to think that the witnesses confused reality with a show.
 
Steven said:
That friendly and cheerful greeting really nags away at me, and has done since I first read this thread - because it's so familiar that it triggers what may in fact be a false memory of a children's tv programme that didn't actually exist. The style of the greeting - open, easily understandable, pleasant - is perhaps so typical of the beginning of children's tv programmes that it might be leading me to think that the witnesses confused reality with a show.
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I think it was:

Hello  and I am all colours sam.

All capitals as well, so any capitalisation of a supposed proper name is later (re)interpretation.
 
Steven said:
That friendly and cheerful greeting really nags away at me, and has done since I first read this thread - because it's so familiar that it triggers what may in fact be a false memory of a children's tv programme that didn't actually exist. The style of the greeting - open, easily understandable, pleasant - is perhaps so typical of the beginning of children's tv programmes that it might be leading me to think that the witnesses confused reality with a show.
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This is my belief. I think that Faye had a vivid dream, conflated it with events going on and recounted it to her friend and her Dad. Her Dad misunderstood and thought she was retelling an actual memory and everything blew up from there. The consequent silence from any of the participants might be due to embarrassment on the part of the kids who knew it was a dream/story/folie a deux who don't want to basically call the dad a liar.

Of course it might be my background as a very vivid dreamer that makes me think this. I can remember several dreams I had as youngster, and I also remember creating an alternative 'world' with a friend, in which we lived and acted as though it were real for quite some time. So I can fully imagine telling my dad a story about 'Lady W' and her sidesaddle riding. Although my dad wasn't at all paranormally minded as far as I remember, he might have decided that, as a child, I couldn't possibly know all these details about sidesaddles and hunting and I must have been seeing ghosts...
 
Starts at 30:28 and the witness is called Luke, now in his 30s but was 4/5 years old at the time. Took place in Novia Scotia and 'Sam' appeared as a scarecrow in a field of tall grass

This time the witness hears "Hello Sam, we are all colours?"

The boy responded: "My name is Luke, not Sam"
 
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The boy was unafraid at this time.

Sam did a bow and then reached out and opened a door, a door that was not there before. Inside was a room that was green with wooden chairs.

The boy left his garden and entered, being enveloped by red and green Christmas lights. Lights so bright he had to close his eyes.

He woke up back in the house, lying on the couch. It was now dark. Hs parents had found him asleep in the middle of the field.
 
In the follow-up email:

"there were two empty wooden chairs, and two occupied chairs further back"

"The door was see-through. I couldn't make out the other two sitting in the chairs... but they matched the outline of 'Sam'.
 
So there you go, he also some sort of orb when he was 13.

Luke could easily have been invented by the podcasters to fill half an episode but then why not claim it happened on the Isle of Wight?

Not a fan of that podcast, I use the F word but not three or four times in a sentence, it just gets tired and sends out a trying too hard vibe.
 
Of course, it could all be truthful and there are hundreds or maybe thousands of people alive today who as children had an odd dream about encountering a talking scarecrow but see it as just that, a vivid dream.
 
Another alleged 'Sam' encounter:


@mikemcgarr7881​

10 months ago
My father and uncle encountered a similar humanoid - dressed similarly and which also hopped away - in Ashdown Forest in the early 1980s.




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@charliepea​

10 months ago
Can you explain your father's story? I'm interested...


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@mikemcgarr7881​

10 months ago
@charliepea It would've been around 1980? They went fishing at a lake that was recommended to them by someone at Ashdown Forest, U.K. but had never visited before as far as I know. It's probably a couple of hours away from the area where we/my uncle lived at the time in South London? (I've never been there myself). They left early to start fishing at at around 5:00am but got lost on a dirt road within/near the forest at around 4:00-4:30am (not sure of the time but early morning and still pretty dark) and coudn't find the fishing lake. My dad and uncle saw what they thought was "a man" in the headlights walking a short distance ahead of them, and they thought that was a bit of luck, assuming he must be a local to be walking around at that time in the morning and would proably be able to help them, so they thought they would stop and ask him directions. They slowed down and pulled up alongside him and my dad (who was driving) wound down his window and shouted ahead of him as they got close "excuse me, mate" to it and this "thing" turned to look at them, I assume by turning it's head/body leftwards (it would've been on the right hand side of the road). My dad didn't get a very good look at him as he was driving but my uncle (in passanger seat, so to the left of the car) did and panicked when he saw the face, shouted to my dad to put his foot down and drive. My dad sped away further down the road away from it and my uncle looked back and saw the thing "Hop" away in a weird manner, eventually leaping over a tall hedge from a standing position - if you know hedges down country roads in the u.k they're usually about 5ft or so, when they lost sight of it. My uncle said that when it turned it's face "wasn't human", big eyes, and looked at him with "arrogance". I've seen my uncle try to emulate the facial expression. He said it was wearing what appeared to be human or human-like clothes. Yellow trousers I think? and was similar stature to a person. They eventually found the lake and went fishing, but kept hearing strange noises throughout the morning until it was lighter and the local animals seemed disturbed. The "thing" was never seen again.My dad passed 20 years ago but my uncle is still alive and still recounts the story, though it's been a good few years since . I've been hearing it from him occasionally at family gatherings pretty much all my life, and obviously my dad spoke about it when he was alive, and the details never changed. I must've heard the story from either or both of them 20 times at least. All my family are aware of this story.I also heard there are often sightings of weird things in Ashdown Forest - but very little of that seems to be on the internet.



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@mikemcgarr7881​

10 months ago (edited)
By the way, I'd only heard of this "Sandown Clown" in the last couple of years through the Internet and videos like this, and I'm sure neither my dad or uncle wouldn't have ever heard of it. To me, it sounds quite similar, particularly the "Hopping" motion and wearing "human" clothes, which always struck me as very odd and compelling and different from an "alien" or UFO or something like that. My dad and uncle had no interest in the paranormal. I remember telling the story to some bemused friends in primary school when I was about 10 or 11 years old. I've also heard about "Springheeled Jack" which I remember reading about in a magazine in my early teens, and thinking that sounded similar to my dad & uncles encounter as well. I remember I told my dad about that at the time and showed him the article - I think in one of the Sunday News Of The World suppliment magazines (maybe someone still has a copy of that?). Never heard any other similar stories from elsewhere or on the internet though. There does seem to be something about this "hopping" motion, and that this was also described by my uncle long before the Internet makes me think this might be similarly real.



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@mikemcgarr7881​

10 months ago (edited)
I just spoke to my mum. She remembers them coming home “petrified” (her words, literally said to me just now) and says it would’ve been when I was very young, maybe 2 or 3 years old, so around 1980/81. I remember hearing my dad and uncle speaking about it and being aware of it when I was certainly less than 10 years old. She remembers the “hopping” and “human clothes” being talked about at the time as well.Hope this is interesting to some on here.



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@mikemcgarr7881​

10 months ago
Not sure if the story is visible to everyone so I’ll repost:⁠It would've been around 1980? They went fishing at a lake that was recommended to them by someone at Ashdown Forest, U.K. but had never visited before as far as I know. It's probably a couple of hours away from the area where we/my uncle lived at the time in South London? (I've never been there myself). They left early to start fishing at at around 5:00am but got lost on a dirt road within/near the forest at around 4:00-4:30am (not sure of the time but early morning and still pretty dark) and coudn't find the fishing lake. My dad and uncle saw what they thought was "a man" in the headlights walking a short distance ahead of them, and they thought that was a bit of luck, assuming he must be a local to be walking around at that time in the morning and would proably be able to help them, so they thought they would stop and ask him directions. They slowed down and pulled up alongside him and my dad (who was driving) wound down his window and shouted ahead of him as they got close "excuse me, mate" to it and this "thing" turned to look at them, I assume by turning it's head/body leftwards (it would've been on the right hand side of the road). My dad didn't get a very good look at him as he was driving but my uncle (in passanger seat, so to the left of the car) did and panicked when he saw the face, shouted to my dad to put his foot down and drive. My dad sped away further down the road away from it and my uncle looked back and saw the thing "Hop" away in a weird manner, eventually leaping over a tall hedge from a standing position - if you know hedges down country roads in the u.k they're usually about 5ft or so, when they lost sight of it. My uncle said that when it turned it's face "wasn't human", big eyes, and looked at him with "arrogance". I've seen my uncle try to emulate the facial expression. He said it was wearing what appeared to be human or human-like clothes. Yellow trousers I think? and was similar stature to a person. They eventually found the lake and went fishing, but kept hearing strange noises throughout the morning until it was lighter and the local animals seemed disturbed. The "thing" was never seen again.My dad passed 20 years ago but my uncle is still alive and still recounts the story, though it's been a good few years since . I've been hearing it from him occasionally at family gatherings pretty much all my life, and obviously my dad spoke about it when he was alive, and the details never changed. I must've heard the story from either or both of them 20 times at least. All my family are aware of this story.I also heard there are often sightings of weird things in Ashdown Forest - but very little of that seems to be on the internet.


These new accounts are both great news but I'm supposed to be working today *sigh* :)
 
I've no reason to doubt the account but I'm surprised that they stuck around & went fishing if they were petrified by what they encountered.
 
Steven said:
I've no reason to doubt the account but I'm surprised that they stuck around & went fishing if they were petrified by what they encountered.
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Good point, although I suppose the lake may have been a sufficient distance away to feel removed from what they had seen. Certainly comes across as genuine.

If it was the fly fishing lake then it was about eight miles from where I was born
 
Finding a bit of Ashdown Forest high-strangeness online:

Report #: 19
From: UFO INFO SERVICE
Date Sent: 12-18-1986
Location: FOREST ROW, ENGLAND

CASE TYPE: LRS - NL
DATE: 07 SEPTEMBER 1986
TIME: UNKNOWN
CFN#: 19
DURATION: 10: MINUTES
WITNESSES: THREE
SOURCE: NEWS IN FOCUS,E.GRINSTEAD, ENGLAND
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A Forest Row woman still can not believe her eyes after sighting what
she can only describe as a UFO.

Last Thursday evening just after midnight Mrs. Penny Crowder was leaving
Ursula and Tom Scratchly's house in Post Horn Lane, Forest Row. Before
getting into her car Mrs. Crowder looked up at the clear night sky
and saw a glowing orange ball with a pale orange aura surrounding
it move across the sky from west over the Royal Ashdown golf course.

Thinking she might be imagining things she called out to her friend
Penny and they walked up the lane to get a better view. The two women
were so astounded that they asked Penny's husband Tom to confirm what
they were seeing.

"It was a fiery colour and looked as though it was lit up in some
way." said Mrs. Crowder. "We were just incredulous, you couldn't relate
it to anything because you had never seen anything like it," she said.

The three stood watching the UFO for about ten minutes as it progressed
noiselessly to the east and out of sight.

Looking for a rational explana-tion for what they had witnessed, they
telephoned flight control at Gatwick. Gatwick said nothing had showed
up on radar but asked them to file a detailed description and a diagram.

They considered all the other possibilities, a hot air balloon, a satellite,
but none of these fitted the description of what they had seen. They
sat and talked until three in the morning about the strange fiery object.

"It gave you an eery feeling as it came straight towards you" said Mrs.
Crowder, who has never before spent time puzzling over the arguments
for and against the existence of UFOs. "When you started thinking
about it you got a bit frightened," she said,"I had the spooks all
a the way home."

Mrs. Crowder is not the first to be "spooked" by ball-shaped objects
flying over the Ashdown Forest. In the late 1970s a spate of sightings
over the forest exactly match the description of what Mrs. Crowder
and the Scratchlys saw last Thursday evening.

In April 1978 local police launched a search of the area after a Nutley
woman saw what she called a "ball of fire" hurtle past her window.
She then saw bits break off the object and fall directly on to the
Forest. At least six people in the Forest witnessed it, and on that
night firemen were called to put out fires in two areas of the forest.

News in Focus would be interested to hear from anyone else who saw
the Thursday night fireball.


https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/alien.ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1126.ufo
 
Also from 1979:

My Lords, what are UFOs? I do not know; and nor, seemingly, do some Governments: but these machines do exist in one form or another, abstract or solid, and they do travel at stunning speeds which seem to defy proved natural physics. Let the United Kingdom be told by Her Majesty's Government the real details on UFOs so far as they know them, for by continued silence the position only becomes worse. Only a few weeks ago a UFO was seen near Kingussie, in the Highlands, and a few acres of Ashdown Forest were burned by another one. Is it safe to go on ignoring these appearances? Who is to know where they come from?

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1979/jan/18/unidentified-flying-objects
 
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