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http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/science/story/0,12996,1280700,00.html
Young bones lay Columbus myth to rest

A centuries-old historical row over the whereabouts of the body of Christopher Columbus appeared to have been solved yesterday when scientists in Spain conceded that the corpse buried at Seville's gothic Santa Maria cathedral was not that of the famous explorer.
Instead, the bones they studied were probably those of his lesser known son, Diego, who was a small and weedy man, unlike his father.

Christopher Columbus's body, the experts say, almost certainly lies back in the "new world" he sailed to 500 years ago.

The exhumation by Spanish anthropologists appears to have settled a row between Spain and the Dominican Republic, which has contested the claim that Columbus's bones ended up in Seville.

Although DNA tests have not been done, the anthropologists have already concluded that the body in Seville is too young and puny to have belonged to the rugged, hefty sailor who, depending on which version of history you prefer, was either Italian, Spanish or Portuguese.

"This was a man who never developed his musculature and died at around the age of 45," said Marcial Castro, who is leading the investigation. "Columbus was a strong man who was aged between 55 and 60 when he died."

The corpse lying under the Columbus Lighthouse monument in the Dominican capital, Santo Domingo, appears to be of someone around 60 years old who had taken a lot of physical exercise, he said. "I am convinced that Columbus is buried in the Dominican Republic," Mr Castro added.

Spanish investigators are now seeking permission to open the coffin in Santo Domingo, which was found in 1877 by workmen who discovered a small lead box of bone fragments inscribed "Illustrious and distinguished male, Don Cristóbal Colón".

Columbus's corpse is known to have had several resting spots in the years after he died in relative poverty in the Spanish city of Valladolid in 1506.

His body spent three years in Valladolid before an 18-year rest at a monastery in Seville. It was finally shipped to Santo Domingo, along with Diego's body, and interred in the cathedral. In 1795, when Spain handed Santo Domingo to France, some of the bones were carried to Cuba. These were taken back to Seville when the Spaniards were thrown out of Cuba in 1898.
 
Not so fast:

Posted on Sat, Oct. 02, 2004

Mystery: Who's buried in Columbus' tomb?

Spanish researchers have DNA evidence suggesting Christopher Columbus was buried in Spain, not the Dominican Republic. But they have drawn no firm conclusion.

BY DANIEL WOOLLS

Associated Press

MADRID - Two nations that boast ornate graves purporting to be the resting place of Christopher Columbus will have to wait a while longer to learn which has legitimate bragging rights.

Researchers studying DNA from 500-year-old bone slivers found near Seville, Spain, said Friday that preliminary data suggest Columbus might be buried in Spain, rather than in a rival tomb in the Dominican Republic.

But they aren't certain, and say more research is needed. It's not the definitive answer either side wanted.

After his death and first burial in 1506 in Valladolid, Spain, Columbus' bones embarked on a lengthy odyssey befitting a man considered one of the world's great explorers.

In 1509, his remains were moved to a monastery on La Cartuja, next to Seville.

In 1537, María de Rojas y Toledo, widow of one of Columbus' sons, Diego, sent the bones of her husband and his father to a cathedral in Santo Domingo for burial. There they lay until 1795, when Spain ceded Hispaniola to France and decided the explorer's remains should not fall into the hands of foreigners.

AN AGE-OLD DISPUTE

A set of remains that the Spaniards believed were Christopher Columbus' were shipped to Havana, and then back to Seville when the Spanish-American War broke out in 1898.

In 1877, workers digging in the Santo Domingo cathedral unearthed a leaden box containing bones and bearing the inscription, ``Illustrious and distinguished male, don Cristóbal Colón.''

The Dominican Republic claims these are genuine remains -- and that the Spaniards took the wrong body back in 1795.

Enter the scientists: To settle the dispute, they dug up and extracted DNA material from three sets of bones in Seville:

• The set Spain claims came from Columbus

• One historians are certain belong to one of his sons, Hernando

• And one researchers believe is his brother, Diego.

They compared the remains supposedly from the explorer with those believed to be those of Diego, the brother. Both were unearthed in Seville over the past two years.

But DNA degrades over time, and much of the genetic material the Spanish team analyzed is in awful shape.

''It is degraded, it is contaminated and we don't have much of it,'' forensic geneticist Jose Antonio Lorente said.

Eighty percent of the samples taken are indecipherable so far, but 20 percent match, suggesting Spain might have the right corpse.

New genetic techniques are needed to salvage the other 80 percent.

The scientists' trump card was Hernando, born of an extramarital affair. Historians say they are sure the bones in Seville are his because his remains were never moved after his 1539 burial.

ELUSIVE EVIDENCE

The research team -- consisting of Lorente, who is director of the genetics lab at the University of Granada; two high school teachers who do historical research, and a forensic anthropologist -- found Hernando's DNA in good shape.

Still, there was a problem: Siblings share DNA from one part of the human cell; fathers and sons from another. But this kind is scarce and hard to extract.

So far, the purported Christopher Columbus remains have yielded none of the kind of DNA needed to check against Hernando's, Lorente said.

To settle things once and for all, genetic material from the body buried in the Dominican capital, Santo Domingo, is also needed. There, a sprawling, cross-shaped lighthouse called the Faro a Colón is also said to hold the remains of the man known in Spanish as Cristóbal Colón.

Officials in the Dominican Republic said the government would not decide whether to open the urn containing the bones until it receives Spain's report next week.

The Archbishop of Santo Domingo, Cardinal Nicolas de Jesús López, holds the sole key to the urn and likely would influence any decision, officials said.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/9815544.htm?1c
 
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Columbus mystery nearly solved 500 years after death
By Phil Stewart

ROME (Reuters) - Nearly 500 years after the death of Christopher Columbus, a team of genetic researchers are using DNA to solve two nagging mysteries: Where was the explorer really born? And where the devil are his bones?

Debate about origins and final resting place of Columbus has raged for over a century, with historians questioning the traditional theory that he hails from Genoa, Italy. Some say he was a Spanish Jew, a Greek, a Basque or Portuguese. Even the location of his remains is the subject of controversy. The Dominican Republic and Spain both stake claims as the final resting place of Columbus, who died in May, 1506.

The Spanish-led research team, which includes Italians, Americans and Germans, sampled DNA from the known remains from Columbus' brother and son, and then compared them to fragments attributed to Columbus in Seville. Although the official announcement is expected later this year, Italian researchers say they are confident based on the evidence gathered so far that Columbus' supposed remains in Seville are likely authentic.

"We have already started all of the analyses on a molecular level and we have good indications that the remains in Seville are effectively those of Christopher," said Olga Rickards, head of the team at Rome's Tor Vergata University laboratory.

If confirmed, it could lay to rest a dispute dating back to 1877, when Dominican workers found a lead casket buried behind the altar in Santo Domingo's cathedral containing a collection of bone fragments the country says belong to Columbus. The bones should have left the island for Cuba in 1795 and then been sent along Spain a century later.

But the casket was inscribed with the words "Illustrious and distinguished male, Don Cristobal Colon" - the Spanish rendering of Christopher Columbus. "Nobody knows (about the Dominican remains) ... because they haven't yet allowed DNA analysis," Rickards told Reuters.

COTTON SWABS FOR COLOMBO

Little is known about the early life of Columbus, the reputed son of a weaver in Genoa who would later change the world by accidentally stumbling upon the Americas in 1492. With so many different theories about his origin, the DNA researchers hope to settle the matter once and for all by obtaining genetic samples from Europeans with the name Columbus.

In Italy, the researchers sent letters to modern-day "Colombo" men asking them to use cotton swabs to sample saliva from inside their mouths. "We sent out 250 letters ... and we have already received 16 positive responses," Rickards told Reuters.

The Spanish had sampled less than 150 people, she said. "If we're lucky, we might have a result by May, which is the 500th anniversary of Christopher Columbus' death," she said.

Genoa's mayor, Giuseppe Pericu, joked to a newspaper that Columbus would wind up being "Genovese" -- one way or another. "If it turns out that Columbus wasn't Genovese, we'll make him an honorary citizen," he said.
 
The NY Times has published an update on the DNA research aiming to prove Columbus' area of origin ...

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So there are at least ELEVEN birthplaces attributed to Columbus.

Poor Homer only rated SEVEN.
 
In Italy, the researchers sent letters to modern-day "Colombo" men asking them to use cotton swabs to sample saliva from inside their mouths. "We sent out 250 letters ... and we have already received 16 positive responses," Rickards told Reuters.

I must say, if i received a letter requesting a saliva-sample from 'researchers' i'd be very suspicious about replying. Perhaps i just read certain fora here too often...
 
Just listening to Danny Baker's podcast and he highlighted the mystery of Columbus's two graves. There was one in Spain which was generally accepted to be his, until in Santo Domingo of 1877 a new coffin was found apparently belonging to him. It is still unknown whether this coffin contains his bones or not, though the Spanish coffin is recognised as his - or at least some of him. There you go - a Columbus mystery!

Here's the Wiki entry:
Quizzical Columbus
 
So there are at least ELEVEN birthplaces attributed to Columbus.
Poor Homer only rated SEVEN.
The controversies about Columbus' place of birth are as numerous as those concerning his place(s) of interment. An international effort to evaluate Columbus' remains and employ genetic / isotopic analyses to specify his birthplace are now getting underway.
Countdown begins to discover where Columbus came from

Was Christopher Columbus really from Genoa, in Italy? Or was he Spanish? Or, as some other theories have it, was he Portuguese or Croatian or even Polish?

A definitive answer to the question of where the famous explorer came from could be just five months away as international scientists on Wednesday launched an effort to read the DNA from his remains and identify his geographic origin.

Their findings are to be made public in October.

Knowledge of the 15th-century navigator’s early life is scant. ...

After leaps in the sophistication of DNA testing in recent years, gene geography may now ascertain the rough area of a European person’s ancestry.

The bones of Columbus, his son Hernando and his brother Diego are to be examined at Granada University and also sent to genetic identification laboratories in Europe and the United States.

As a prelude to the work, Granada University on Wednesday was hosting what it called the first world meeting of Columbus researchers ...
FULL STORY: https://apnews.com/article/europe-science-0c320f8e80478206df0515c8047adce5
 
So which coffin did the remains they are testing come from, the one in Spain or the other one?
The tomb in Seville. As far as I know authorities have never permitted the alleged partial remains in Santo Domingo to be exhumed, much less studied.
 
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