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There are occasional outbreaks of church burnings. In Scandinavia we have death metallers going at it. In the US burning black churches used to be part of KKK family fun weekends and more recently it has been more the preserve of disaffected and often racists youths. However, the last outbreak included a lot of white churches and synagogues too:

In Church Fires, a Pattern but No Conspiracy

By William Booth
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 19, 1996; Page A01

The people burning down black churches in the South are generally white, male and young, usually economically marginalized or poorly educated, frequently drunk or high on drugs, rarely affiliated with hate groups, but often deeply driven by racism, according to investigators and a review of those arrested or convicted in the burnings.

Little evidence has emerged to suggest a national or regional conspiracy, according to investigators. But they point to a climate of underlying racism that encourages the arsonists to strike at African American churches.

Noah Chandler at the Center for Democratic Renewal, a civil rights watchdog group in Atlanta, put it this way: "The conspiracy is racism itself."

At the same time, the burnings of predominantly African American churches occur against what investigators said is a backdrop of widespread arson against houses of religion of all kinds, including white churches, mosques and synagogues.

As of yesterday, there had been 37 suspicious fires at black churches in the last 18 months, including two in Mississippi late Monday night. During about the same time frame, according to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), there have been 23 suspicious fires at predominantly white churches, which far outnumber black churches. Just this week, another white church, in suburban Atlanta, was heavily damaged by fire that investigators are examining for possible arson.

Responding to the wave of church burnings, the House yesterday overwhelmingly approved legislation to make it easier for federal officials to prosecute those involved in church burnings and to make it a federal crime to damage religious property because of its "racial or ethnic character." President Clinton, meanwhile, asked Congress to provide an extra $12 million for investigations; a House Appropriations subcommittee indicated it would go along.

The complexities in trying to characterize who is burning black churches and why is apparent in the case of a gang of Georgia teenagers, all high school dropouts, who investigators say were responsible for as many as 90 burglaries, burnings and vandalism at both black and white churches.

Members of the group told police they picked churches generally because they were easy targets, isolated and empty.

"If they didn't find any money, they'd pay them back by vandalizing the church or burning it," said Homer Kaedle, the Georgia Bureau of Investigations agent in charge. Sometimes, to throw police off their trail, they also would spray-paint obscene or racist language on the churches.

Three decades ago, the Night Riders, who blazed a trail of fear and destruction across the South by firebombing churches and homes, generally were members of highly organized, very public efforts to intimidate blacks, led by the Ku Klux Klan and with a single political purpose: enforcing segregation.

Today, those arrested for torching black churches include a deranged 13-year-old girl who harbored anti-Christian beliefs, an "all American-type" volunteer fireman who investigators said likes to set buildings aflame, and rampaging juveniles who cared more about stealing money from the collection plate than the color of the denomination's skin -- a group that one Georgia law enforcement agent described as "just a bunch of jerky kids." One of those "kids" was just sentenced to 95 years in prison. There has also been at least one card-carrying member of the KKK.

State and federal investigators and experts on hate crimes say many of today's accused or convicted burners are a mixed lot, but they agree with black pastors and leaders that their acts often are generated by an underlying racism.

That many of those arrested or convicted are not organized in Klan klaverns may not matter; it may even make the rash of crimes worse, they say.

Not atypical of the cases was that of three white Mississippi teenagers, two just 17, who drove away from the flaming Rocky Point Missionary Baptist Church in Pike County, Miss., early on the morning of April 5, 1993, screaming, "Burn, nigger, burn." Among the three, two never finished high school and two came from indigent circumstances and could not afford defense attorneys. All three are now in federal prisons for the burning.

Tom Royals, an attorney for one of the teenagers convicted in the Mississippi case, said, "It was an irrational act. They were young, drunk and crazy."

Deval Patrick, the U.S. assistant attorney general for civil rights, told Congress that federal agents have yet to find a conspiracy and that little about the times, dates and methods of the fires seems consistent or linked. But Patrick also said, "The climate of racial division across the country is extreme."

The ATF has opened investigations of 154 church fires, both black and white, nationwide since October 1991. The pace of African American church burnings has quickened significantly in the last several months, with 23 open ATF cases from fiscal 1996, compared with six in the previous fiscal year. Not all of the black church blazes are being investigated by the ATF; some are being investigated solely at the local level at this point.

There are roughly an equal number of cases of white churches and those of other races that the ATF is investigating because of suspicious fires. But the burning of small, usually rural and isolated, black churches in the South has a special historical resonance.

Experts on hate crimes, reviewing details of those apprehended so far for the church burnings, suggest few are "hard-core hatemongers" or belong to organized groups and much of what may be happening now -- with nearly daily new suspicious church fires -- may be copycat acts.

"My own personal opinion . . . is this may have been a situation where we had people who were sympathetic, who heard about this and who took it upon themselves to take it to another level, another jurisdiction," said Barrown Lakster, the Greene County, Ala., district attorney, after a church in his area burned.

To date only one alleged burner has turned up with direct ties to the Klan. Timothy Adron Welsh, 23, was charged with arson along with another man for burning two churches in South Carolina.

The two are also accused of stabbing and beating an elderly black man. When arrested, Welsh had a KKK card in his wallet, police said.

In several cases already prosecuted, drugs and alcohol were clearly the key. In Tennessee, for example, three men got high on a combination of Valium, whiskey and beer, then made Molotov cocktails of their empty bottles.

They first tried to burn a tavern where one of the men, Robert Lee Johnson, a 34-year-old construction worker, thought he had been cheated by blacks at a dice game. They failed. "The more they drank, the more they talked," said U.S. Attorney Delk Kennedy in Tennessee. "Then they decided to burn some churches. It was definitely a spur-of-the-moment thing, drunken talk, bravado induced by alcohol. . . . These guys don't think past the next six-pack." The three were convicted of burning two black churches.

The Washington Post over the last three months has requested interviews with nine burners serving jail sentences for attacks on black churches, but all have refused to be interviewed.

But at the sentencing of the three teenagers who torched the two Mississippi churches in 1993, two of the defendants apologized to members of the black congregations in the courtroom.

"Your Honor, I'd like to tell the members of both churches that I am sorry for what happened. I'm truly sorry," said Charles McGeehee Jr., who, with his two friends, yelled that night, "That will teach you niggers."

A few moments later, Bernice Dixon, a member of one of the congregations that lost its church, rose to address the court: "I see that young man turn around and say he's sorry. If he really means that, I can forgive him. But what about our church? Their conduct has tore up our church completely. Our pastor is in the hospital as a result. The church's home is in shambles and the members are scattered. And before that happened, we had a lovely time, a lovely church home, a lovely church family and a lovely pastor, but now we have neither."


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© 1996 The Washington Post Company

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We now have more burnings:

9 Ala. Church Fires Raise More Questions

RSS Feeds From ABC 7 Wednesday February 08, 2006 9:38am

BOLIGEE, Ala. (AP) - The front of the sanctuary was in flames, and smoke was pouring from the windows of Morning Star Baptist Church when Johnny Archibald arrived to a grimly familiar scene in Alabama. As soon as he saw the fire, he immediately thought of the five other Baptist churches that had burned in the morning darkness four days earlier.

"I don't know what's going on," Archibald said Tuesday as he stood outside the ruins of his church. "It's just sickness."

Morning Star Baptist and three other rural Alabama churches were damaged or destroyed by fires Tuesday, bringing the number of suspicious church fires in the state to nine in less than a week. Authorities said they had no clear suspects but were inspecting tire tracks and footprints and searching for a dark-colored sport-utility vehicle.

"Obviously somebody or somebodies are interested in burning down churches. Whether it's hate against a race or religion in general, we don't know," said Ragan Ingram, a spokesman for the state insurance agency that oversees fire investigations.

Ingram said the first rash of fires early Friday - at four predominantly white churches and one predominantly black church - are believed to be linked.

The FBI (website) was already looking into whether those fires were civil rights violations under laws covering attacks on religious property, and the state and federal government had offered $10,000 in rewards for information when the new fires were reported.

The four fires Tuesday - all at predominantly black churches - could be a continuation of that crime spree, or they could be copycat attacks, Ingram said Wednesday.

FBI acting assistant director Chip Burrus said investigators are working on the assumption that all nine fires are connected.

All of the churches are Baptist, the dominant faith in the area, and all were off rural roads not far from highways. The fires were in two clusters: the first five all in Bibb County, south of Birmingham, and the latest four in western Alabama 10 to 20 miles apart.

Three of the fires Tuesday appeared to have started near the churches' altars, according to church members and authorities, and at least two were found to be arson.

Rich Marianos, a spokesman for the federal Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agency, said more than 50 agents are now assigned to the investigation and it the No. 1 priority nationally.

In Boligee, Archibald said he was told by a resident that a sport-utility vehicle had been seen speeding through an intersection near the church.

Members of the Old Union Baptist Church in Brierfield, damaged by fire early Friday, had earlier told The Associated Press they saw a dark SUV near their church as they arrived to douse the flames.

Archibald's Morning Star Baptist Church was reduced to smoking rubble. Burned to its concrete block foundation, all that remained of the wood-frame building was the front steps and handrail.

www.wjla.com/news/stories/0206/301076.html

And from another report some speculation:

"I don't see any evidence that these fires are hate crimes," said Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center. "Anti-Christian crimes are exceedingly rare in the South. It's more likely to be teenagers or a mentally ill person."

Source

The question is - are these linked to the Danish cartoons?

Would a group of Moslems really be driving around rural Alabama in a drk SUV? I would imagine they'd strike in places like cities where they wouldn't stand out and they could easily disappoear.

Also were there outbreaks linked to Moslems around the invasion of Iraq? I remember one guy drove his SUV into a church butt beyond that...?
 
well whoever is doing it needs to be caught and it looks like each church (that hasn't been hit yet) need to set up some kind of security etc...very strange in any case.. how they get away all the time.
All the remaining churches need to ask for volunteers to keep guard until they can get some clues license numbers or Identify the burners.... :?:
 
ruffready said:
well whoever is doing it needs to be caught and it looks like each church (that hasn't been hit yet) need to set up some kind of security etc...very strange in any case.. how they get away all the time.
All the remaining churches need to ask for volunteers to keep guard until they can get some clues license numbers or Identify the burners.... :?:

Yeah - if I was a member of a church in Alabama I'd certianly be looking into some kind of monitoring (I wonder why the police haven't offered to set up cameras for them or help them out that way).
 
Thats what I was thinking yesterday..the police must have thought of this by now!! I mean that's a lot of churches!!
Maybe they will set up security finally ...and then it will stop . also, Usually police canvess local neiborhoods and ask alot of questions and you'd think they've gone on a cross country data base looking for folks that have been busted for this before..to talk with them.. :?:
guess we just have to wait.
 
Just heard that the suspects were two "white" men in a dark suv. I'm skeptical on how credible the eye witnesses are, but, they also hit up a couple white churches.
 
tonyblair11 said:
Just heard that the suspects were two "white" men in a dark suv. I'm skeptical on how credible the eye witnesses are, but, they also hit up a couple white churches.
Maybe they're DeathMetal's answer to the Everly Brothers?
 
These fire-bombings were big news around a half-dozen years ago, and even then the bombers targeted both White and Black churches.

But most of us believed these particular crimes were now safely in the past. Or maybe it was just the national news media which stopped reporting them?
 
10th Alabama church burns

Sunday, February 12, 2006; Posted: 10:18 a.m. EST (15:18 GMT)


(CNN) -- Another Baptist church in Alabama was heavily damaged by fire Saturday night, becoming the 10th house of worship burned in recent weeks, police said.

Firefighters from several cities helped fight the blaze Saturday evening in Beaverton, a town of 200 people about 90 miles northwest of Birmingham.

A Lamar County Sheriff's Department dispatcher said police are still trying to determine what caused the fire at the Beaverton Freewill Baptist Church in northwest Alabama.

The Beaverton church is the fifth with a predominantly white congregation to burn in the recent string of fires. Five churches with predominantly black congregations have also been set ablaze in the past week in central and western Alabama. Nobody has been injured in any of the fires.

The Beaverton fire collapsed the back wall of the building, said Terri Johnson, who lives in nearby Sulligent and was at the scene soon after the fire began about 4:30 p.m.

"When we got there, it obviously was in the beginning stages of the fire," Johnson said. "It was coming from the middle of the church. Then the fire began to rage. Then it engulfed the whole church."

Johnson said she and her sister were passing through Beaverton when a sheriff's car sped by, sirens blaring. They followed the car out of curiosity, Johnson said.

"It was burned to the point where it was barely standing," she said.

A video of the church showed one wall with melted vinyl siding.

Investigators have been trying to determine the causes and whether the rural church fires are linked. (Watch as church burnings are made a priority -- 2:04)

Investigators have said arson was the cause of seven fires. Arson also is suspected in the other two.

Eric Kehn, a spokesman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said ATF agents were at the scene of the Beaverton fire, but they had not yet determined how it started or whether it was related to the other church fires.

More than 100 ATF personnel, including special agents and forensic experts, are investigating the fires. A criminal and geographical profiler also has been called in.

The ATF has said witnesses have reported seeing a dark-colored SUV near some of the fires. But it is not clear if the vehicle is linked to the blazes.

www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/11/church.fires/index.html
 
The speculation I've heard most often is that these church fires are being set by either Satanists or neo-Nazis. But outside of conspiracy theories Satanists aren't usually that organized and one would assume that Nazis would target synagogues and Black churches, not White. On the other hand, hardcore Nazis aren't exactly pro-Christians, so anything's possible.

But my own current suspicion and fear (and I write this as a Christian) is that the arsonists may just possibly be extremely misguided and indeed demented "Christian" agents provacateur who are setting the fires to demonstrate to the world how anti-Christian the world is becoming.
 
Attempt differs from 10 churcharsons
Cause of two other Alabama blazes remains under investigation

Monday, February 20, 2006 Posted: 0207 GMT (1007 HKT)


(CNN) -- An attempted arson at an east Alabama church on Sunday bears little similarity to 10 other intentionally set church fires in the state, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, FirearmsandExplosives said.

It appeared something was thrown Sunday morning at a Church of God in an effort to set it alight, said the ATF's Jim Cavanaugh. The church is in a remote location near the Etowah County community of Glencoe.

The effort failed, and resulted in minimal damage to the church's exterior.

Alabama State Fire Marshal Richard Montgomery told CNN the vinyl siding on an outside wall was scorched. The attempted fire was discovered by a church member arriving for services, he said.

The other 10 arsons and attempted a rsons have all been in the central or western parts of the state.

In addition, Cavanaugh said there were no signs of forced entry into the Glencoe church -- a departure from the other arsons. (Map of suspicious fires)

The previous Alabama church arsons have been at Baptist churches, five with predominantly black congregations and five with mainly white members.

The ATF is also investigating a fire Friday night at a Methodist church on the University of Alabama campus in Tuscaloosa, in western Alabama, Cavanaugh said, but it has not yet been determined whether it was accidental.

The cause may involve a cloth covering a Bible on a table with candles around it.

In addition, the ATF is investigating a warehouse fire in Tuscaloosa on Friday night that apparently housed merchandise for a Christian business. The blaze is considered arson, Cavanaugh said.

ATF is sending a national response team to the city Monday to determine if the fire is similar to the churcharsons. Tuscaloosa police and the ATF are planning a Monday news conference on the warehouse fire.

CNN's Rusty Dornin contributed to this report.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/02/19/ch ... index.html
 
Suspect: Churchfires started as 'joke'
Three Birmingham college studentsarrested, charged

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama (CNN) -- Three Birmingham college students were arrested and charged Wednesday in connection with a string of Alabama churchfires that is described in court papers as a joke that "got out of hand," authorities said.

The students -- Ben Moseley and Russell DeBusk, both 19, and Matthew Lee Cloyd, 20 -- are suspected in nine of the 10 fires last month.

The suspects were held on federal chargesof conspiracy and setting fire to Ashby Baptist Church in Bibb County. In court filings, all three admitted being involved in the arson fires. No one was injured in any of theblazes.

U.S.Attorney Alice Martin said further chargesare possible and that, if convicted, the students would face minimumsentences of five years for each count.

Authorities will seek indictments from a federal grandjury "in due course," she said.

"It's a good day when we can tell the people of Alabama that we believe this is an isolated instance," Alabama Gov. Bob Riley said.

All ninefires occurred in rural counties southwest of Birmingham -- five in Bibb County on February 3, and four in Greene, Sumter and Pickens counties on February 7. Five of the churches had predominantly black congregations, and four had predominantly white members. (See map)

No one has been arrestedin connection with a 10thfire, set February 11 at a mostly white Lamar County church.

"We don't think that there is any type of conspiracy against organized religion or against the Baptists or againstreligious beliefs in particular," Riley said. "I think that, today, Alabama and all of the faith-based community in this state can rest a little easier."

Moseley and DeBusk are bothsophomores at Birmingham-Southern College, which is affiliated with the United Methodist Church. They made initial appearances Wednesday morning in a federalcourt in Birmingham.

All three face a bond hearing Friday in a federalcourt in Birmingham.
DeBusk's lawyer, Donald Colee, had no immediate comment. Tommy Spina, the attorney for Cloyd, said "Where we are headed with this case, I do not know."

Efforts to reach lawyers for Moseley were unsuccessful.

'Diversion did not work'
Birmingham-Southern President David Pollick said the students have been suspended and barred from campus since theirarrest. He pledged that Birmingham-Southern will help rebuild the churches "both financially and in terms of our own labor."

"The students, faculty and staff of our college are at once shocked and outraged, and we share the sorrow of our neighbors whose churches represented the heart and souls of their communities," he said.

Cloyd, who attends the University of Alabama at Birmingham, was taken into custody later in the day, federal lawenforcement sources said.

UAB spokesman Gary Mans said Cloyd was a junior who transferred to the university in fall 2005 and lived off-campus. He would not disclose Cloyd's field of study or any disciplinary action, citing federal privacylaws.

According to court papers released Wednesday, Cloyd told a witness that he and Moseley "had done something stupid."

"Cloyd stated to the witness that Moseley did it as a joke and it got out of hand," an affidavit in the case states. "Cloyd stated that they set a church onfire."

Moseley and DeBusk admitted involvement in thefires, as well, the affidavit states. DeBusk said he was at the scene of the fires in Bibb County, where the three had been deer hunting the first weekend of February, and kicked in the door of two churches that later were set ablaze.

Moseley told investigators that he and Cloyd set the other four fires "as a diversion to throw investigators off," the affidavit states. When questioned by investigators, "Moseley said the diversion obviously did not work."

None of the three has a previous criminalrecord, said Richard Montgomery, Alabama's state firemarshal.

DeBusk is a theater major at Birmingham-Southern, while Moseley's major was undeclared, college officials said. Mark Doll, a Birmingham-Southern sophomore who said he plays in a band with Moseley, told CNN he never heard Moseley speak of religion.

"There was nothing that we can see that would lead us to think he would do something like this," he said.

Pollick said he met with Birmingham-Southern students Wednesday afternoon and said they are determined to repair a reputation they said was "tarnished" by their classmates'arrests.

He said students, faculty and staff now feel connected to the communities "in a way that we didn't, in all honesty, yesterday."

"The one thing we are certain of is that this is a place where we belong," he said. "This is a place where we should extend our muscles and our resources and help seek out more resources."

Tire treads tip off investigators
Officials said the arrests were the result of good policework by a task force of about 250 state, federal and local lawenforcement officers.

Investigators had said they were looking for a dark-colored sport-utility vehicle that had been seen at the burned churches. According to the affidavit, tread marks left at the scene of four fires matched a rarely purchased set of all-terrain tires.

Investigators tracked a set of those tires from a tire shop in the Birmingham suburb of Pelham to a green Toyota 4Runner registered to Cloyd's mother. She told agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,Firearms andExplosives that her son was the vehicle's primary driver, the affidavit states.

That was one of about 1,000 leads involving 500 vehicles and about 1,300 people that investigators chased down over the past month, ATF spokesman Jim Cavanaugh said.

"We just pushed and pushed and pushed until we could make the break," Cavanaugh said.

CNN's Rusty Dornin, David Mattingly, Mike Phelan and Susan Walsh contributed to this report.




Find this article at:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/a ... index.html
 
Small point I know, but the Scandanavian church burning cases were associated with Black Metal rather than Death Metal.
 
Hmmm...one would think that burning down ten churches..or is it only "officially" nine... would bring some sort of "Hate Crime" prosecution, no? I mean, these guys didn't simply randomly choose their targets. Seems pretty cut and dry. Odd that this isn't, as far as I can see, being pursued...

Shadow
 
American Humor

Let's see if I got this right - the first two church fires were "just a joke," but THEN "things got out of hand."

It always makes so much more sense after the miscreants explain their actions.

I don't know what these guys have been studying but if it's Humor and Comedy Writing they ought to ask for their money back.
 
More church burnings!



Three churches were burned in east Alabama over four days
The Associated Press

updated 6:36 p.m. ET Jan. 7, 2008
PHENIX CITY, Ala. - Two men who authorities said dabbled in satanism have been arrested in connection with a recent rash of arson and vandalism at rural churches.

Satanic-graffiti was scrawled at or near some of the east Alabama churches, and the 21-year-old suspects "called themselves professed spiritual-satanists," Russell County Sheriff Tommy Boswell said Monday.

Geoffrey Parquette and James Clark were arrested Sunday and pleaded not guilty Monday. Neither had an attorney.

Boswell said the men, both of the Smiths community in Lee County, were not part of any organized group.

Parquette is charged with second-degree arson, third-degree burglary and criminal-mischief in Russell and Lee counties. Clark is charged with second-degreearson and burglary in Lee County.

Both remained in custody. Bond was set at $200,000 for Parquette. No bond was set immediately for Clark.

Fires were set at three churches over four days beginning Jan. 1, and a task force of federal, state and local authorities was formed last week to investigate.

One of the churches, in the suspects' hometown, was destroyed; the others sustained moderate to heavy damage. Satanic-graffiti was found in or near three churches, including one that was not burned.

Jim Cavanaugh, regional director of the ATF, said crosses, robes and documents were taken from the churches. He said investigators found some of these items at the homes of the suspects.

The arrests came two years after another string of deliberately set fires at rural Alabama churches led to a major federal-state investigation. Three Birmingham college students were arrested, pleaded guilty and were sentenced to prison.


URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22543723/
 
UncleFidel said:
Small point I know, but the Scandanavian church burning cases were associated with Black Metal rather than Death Metal.


I was just gonna point that out, lol


but yes, it was the black metallers burning down churches, not the death metalers (there is a difference ya know:p :lol: )
 
Black Metal inspired.

A 22-year-old man has pleaded guilty to intentionally setting fire to three African-American churches in the US state of Louisiana.

Holden Matthews, 22, admitted to starting the fires to raise his profile as a "black metal" musician, prosecutors said. He burned three Baptist churches in the Opelousas area over 10 days beginning in late March 2019. He faces 10 to 70 years in jail when he is sentenced on 22 May. On Monday, Matthews entered several guilty pleas for federal and state charges.

The three churches Matthews admitted to torching had predominantly African-American congregations. Federal prosecutors did not specify whether there was a racial element to Matthews's crimes, but hate crimes were among the charges he pleaded guilty to.

Matthews, the white son of a local sheriff deputy, set fire to those churches "because of the religious character of those buildings", they said.
"His disgraceful conduct violated the civil rights of the church's parishioners and harmed their communities," said assistant attorney general Eric Dreiband.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51457787
 
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