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Contact?

Lizard King said:
Two of the guys were I think Secret Service type agents who witnessed an abduction of a woman, by a UFO. One of the Agents experienced a mental breakdown and never really recovered. The accounts were so genuine and believable.
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That sounds like the Pérez de Cuéllar case.
 
IamSundog said:
Plutronus - thank you for your reasoned and informative posts here. I’m glad that you’ve joined the forum! Can I ask what books you would recommend? I read Rutledge’s "Project Identification” back in the 90’s and was excited to discover that actual scientists were doing actual science on UFOs. I recently found Paul Hill’s “Unconventional Flying Objects” and have over the years read most of Vallee’s books and JSE papers. Do you have other reading to recommend?
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@IamSundog, and All,

I apologize for the tardy replies. My wife has MS and is wheel chair bound and as result takes much of time these days taking care of her. We've been together for 40 years, she took care of me when I pop'd a valve in the midst of a DARPA contract I was performing back in the early 90s. Plus I am working several projects as time permits. I'll try to reply to everyone's interesting posts.

In a few days or so, I'll post a few photos of my ongoing ET instrumentation development projects I've been doing over these past 25years and those that I'm working now.

Those are good books you read. A really interesting book, although not technical, is an old one written by news journalist, Frank Edwards, titled, "Flying Saucers, Serious Business". It contains an assortment of AOP/UAP newspaper articles culled from the 1800s through to the 1900s. There is some really juicy and tantalizing stories he shares. One of which, caused me to accidentally find Col Custer's field diary and a diary entry describing an AOP sighting he saw the week before his command was massacred in Montana.

There are other books, I'll see if I can track them down for you, and if I can find my old website, I have a list of books in the recommended literature page, but in the mean time, there is excellent information to be gleened on Francis Ridge's NICAP website at:
www.nicap.org

plutronus
 
You are welcome

There appears to be quite a few on there, i think it will be interesting reading
 
I hope Plutronus returns....but I'll ask again , what alternate explanation do you have for your experiences?
BTW...regarding 'alternate' ideas I have found Dr Vallee's ideas on the ufo enigma to be very interesting. I recommend what I call his trilogy:
Dimensions, Confrontations, Revelations....but I also like his earlier books.
 
Hi Mr P.

You would find a lot of correlation between your thoughts and those of Daniel Sheehan (his JFK theories are by far and away the most plausible too).

Essentially he argues that there are levels of consciousness similar to octaves in harmonics and the behaviour of visible light which means that Humans and ETs are purposely separated (by them, not us) because we are not ready as a species to respond to them in any way meaningful other than to attempt to utilise their technology as a weapon or to pervert their good intentions towards gaining homogeneous advantage for ourselves.

He speculates that meaningful interaction with non terrestrial intelligence is best done, therefore, as individuals using altered mental states etc. rather than via our governments...hardly a surprise as the US and other powers deploy warplanes to attempt to intercept their craft (The USS Nimitz incident springs to mind) rather than adopting a more “close encounters of the third kind” strategy.

I’ve never seen a UFO or attempted to contact ET but his vision is appealing. The guy is an immense intellect and his credentials as advocate in the Karen Silkwood and Watergate cases attests to his standing as a Lawyer and Human being.
 
GNC said:
Or maybe the contactees choose their own narratives from what they perceive around them?
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Or maybe opinions are being promoted before sufficient information has been revealed for cogent comparison.

dr wu said:
Would you be willing to state your 'alternative, however obscure, explanation,'.....for the board for the sake of discussion?
And how do you define your experiences?
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I had expended several days writing a reply, but in retrospect, it occurrs to me that revealing the minitua would likely elicite derision, and then no matter how I present what I suspect that I know is true will result in the same outcome, so I'll give the short version instead as requires much less effort.

I organized a secret NEETS (Near Earth ET Studies) research group (1995 ~1998); membership was via invitation only. Although a few members were not academics but rather specialists in fields of technical endeavor, membership majority in the community were Ph.D.s, mainly courted from SETI and-or were aerospace academic (several were NASA/NRDC) scientists. I was feverishly engaged designing and conducting in-field phenomena centric contact experiments (mainly wrt luminous-orbs), and in the midst of these processes, in a period of 24 hours, everyone in my community was 'attacked' in some obscure manner, including myself, nearly everyone dropped out of association in that 24 hour period. The 'attacks' seemed uncorrellated, but in retrospect, we were obviously targeted. It was nasty.

It was my belief at the time that I was being attacked psionically by Reptilians as I was able to see what they are doing, however a functional Qabalah Mystic, who helped defend me for appx three years (free), believed that the attacks were the work of Earthian Military. That's the alternative explanation that I cited.

plutronus
 
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plutronus said:
I was feverishly engaged designing and conducting in-field phenomena centric contact experiments (mainly wrt luminous-orbs), and in the midst of these processes, in a period of 24 hours, everyone in my community was 'attacked' in some obscure manner, including myself, nearly everyone dropped out of association in that 24 hour period. The 'attacks' seemed uncorrellated, but in retrospect, we were obviously targeted. It was nasty.

It was my belief at the time that I was being attacked psionically by Reptilians as I was able to see what they are doing, however a functional Qabalah Mystic, who helped defend me for appx three years (free), believed that the attacks were the work of Earthian Military. That's the alternative explanation that I cited.
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Could you tell us what form these attacks took? Were there physical manifestations of these psionic attacks?
 
plutronus said:
Or maybe opinions are being promoted before sufficient information has been revealed for cogent comparison.



I had expended several days writing a reply, but in retrospect, it occurrs to me that revealing the minitua would likely elicite derision, and then no matter how I present what I suspect that I know is true will result in the same outcome, so I'll give the short version instead as requires much less effort.

I organized a secret NEETS (Near Earth ET Studies) research group (1995 ~1998); membership was via invitation only. Although a few members were not academics but rather specialists in fields of technical endeavor, membership majority in the community were Ph.D.s, mainly courted from SETI and-or were aerospace academic (several were NASA/NRDC) scientists. I was feverishly engaged designing and conducting in-field phenomena centric contact experiments (mainly wrt luminous-orbs), and in the midst of these processes, in a period of 24 hours, everyone in my community was 'attacked' in some obscure manner, including myself, nearly everyone dropped out of association in that 24 hour period. The 'attacks' seemed uncorrellated, but in retrospect, we were obviously targeted. It was nasty.

It was my belief at the time that I was being attacked psionically by Reptilians as I was able to see what they are doing, however a functional Qabalah Mystic, who helped defend me for appx three years (free), believed that the attacks were the work of Earthian Military. That's the alternative explanation that I cited.

plutronus
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Thanks for the explanation....not sure how to respond to that. That's far out of most people's background experience.
As myth asked can you say a few more things about the 'attacks'..? And perhaps define 'psionic' as you understand it?

btw...I couldn't find any info on NEETS online...was this a private venture?
I also listened to some of the podcast...what data (evidence) do you have, since you focused on that on the podcast,, to support your position?
And might I ask why you use a false name and not your actual name since you sound like you wish to cut through all the bs as you said on the podcast? I''m not trying to be confrontational but you did imply in your interview that many in the ufo field have this problem.
 
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