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Contrails & Chemtrails

...Unless it's misinformation and they want him to tell his mates...
 
the govt. could simply just take a plane up themselves and do the whole thing.
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who says it's the gov? The usa gov. ( and now the uk increasingly) farm out to private enterprise just about all research that is not super classified ie: military, and god knows what private firms get up to.. charge a million and do the work cheaply? Piggy-backing your project is the cheapest option.
Of course there are some regular nutters who like to start off rumours, I agree:D
 
Emperor Zombie said:
do you mean the chap who held a conference back in the early nineties, and basically told the world about Roswell (that radar had brought interfered with a UFO and brought it down) and that the captured EBE (Extraterrestrial Biological Entity) used powers of the mind to show people the crucifixion of christ...and that Forrestow (spl?) was murdered, eisenhower went looney after what he saw in area 51 or Roswell, that Kennedy's magic bullet came from the driver, that the United states government had been in trade with venus since the fifties...

do you mean that guy?
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That's the chap!
 
brian ellwood said:
who says it's the gov? The usa gov. ( and now the uk increasingly) farm out to private enterprise just about all research that is not super classified ie: military, and god knows what private firms get up to.. charge a million and do the work cheaply? Piggy-backing your project is the cheapest option.
Of course there are some regular nutters who like to start off rumours, I agree:D
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Nah - it's unlikely that it would be done via civil airliners. Cheaper just to take up a private jet, than somehow jury-rig an airliner to deliver whatever chemical it is you need nto the atmospehere.
 
I believe IJ and Emperor Zombie are thinking of Bob Lazar.I think he was discredited long ago,especially after he was arrested for running a whorehouse.
 
I know...I was attempting to use humour and be deliberately vague to make people think about it themselves...ah,well...
 
Yes,but it's lost on me.I'm only an American,and a midwestern hick at that.
 
Beware Ben-Hur

I've been looking in on Chemtrails Central since julianpenrod got a bit upset and posted a bit of a moan about the Fortean Times MB there.

They seem to have picked up an oddbod who goes by the name of Dr Judah Ben-Hur and who claims to be an ex-employee of HAARP, someone summoned him Beetlejuice-like so it's partly their own fault:

I emailed Dr. Judah Ben-Hur (who formerly worked on the HAARP project) and asked him if he would mind posting on the Chemtrail Central site.

Dr. Ben-Hur returned my email and said he had attempted to register, but did not get his password, so he sent me this post to forward on to the members.
See suckingeggs' 8/13 post under the topic: "New HAARP Whistleblower" and the continuing thread, for information on Dr. Ben-Hur's comments about HAARP and chemtrails.

To this group:

I am honored to be included in the discussions on the subject HAARP. You no
doubt will read that I have turned not against the established order, but have
decided to put to rest the speculations and hard evidence to the actual use
and design of HAARP and its relation to chemtrails and other electromagnetic
systems.

I do not mind the poking at me or any other negative comments that will arise from my few posts or any other cut and pasted data on me or gaiacomm and its technology. I am a very serious person and scientist and over the years I have watched and read media on all of the subjects posted on this site. I will expose and demo only in the areas that I am qualified to do. The info that I will present will of course be broadcasted to the media internationally to insure no "blackout" of data.

I am in the process of preparing a report to publish on the net followed by a demo of a protable HAARP system. Many people will be emabarrased and afraid when I go public,
but I figure that it's time you people find the truth and let's see what you do with this power!

Regards,
Dr. Judah Ben-Hur
note: the website (http://www.gaiacomm.org) should be up in 48 hours or sooner, if not I will inform.
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The CC MBers eventually call his bluff after a series of increasingly fantastical postings, and J B-H appears to go off in a huff.

The full thread is here.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001899.html

Watch out in case this bod turns up here, according to one of the CC MBers, there may be a trojan on his website.

I can't make out whether he's a prankster or true believer.
 
Re: Beware Ben-Hur

Timble said:
I can't make out whether he's a prankster or true believer.
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Prankster. He says a lot of semi-plausible (but incorrect) sounding things, but would a true believer mis-represent themselves in this way?

Gloriously funny though. :)
 
RE:your Goverment.

Not only is your own goverment out to get you( if you step out of line), but everyone else as well(check thred on Notes and Queries::passing the buck::
Don't believe the hype!!!
PS:ever heard of Echelon and Octerpus.
 
Chemtrails

http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

Is it just me or does anybody else notice the phenomena in our skies known as Chemtrails..????? (See link above)

These are like normal contrail's (vapour left by planes) but linger in the sky much longer forming a thin layer of cloud.

During our recent spat of unseasonally nicer weather i have noticed increaesed sparaying activity, and my g/f has come down with a flu like virus ( apparently one of the effects observed after prolonged spraying).

It really does annoy me how we seem to have become so complacent as to not notice it going on above our very heads, especially if they are messing with our health.

If you have never observed this i urge you to watch the skies, next time you see a plane leaving a trail, watch and see how long it lasts for and how it disperses. If it disappears in a matter of minutes its a contrail, if it lingers and gets wider and wider its a chemtrail, and you will become as paranoid as i am.

Then all we need to do is fugure out what the hell they are sparaying , why and stop em!! Easy peasy.
 
Thanks JerryB.

Contrails/Chemtrails threads now merged and renamed.

(Does that make them a "Comtrail"?)
 
What I want to know is why Chemtrails attract so many believers - it seems quite an unremarkable example of the kind of totally explicable phenomenon that people get paranoid about, but it seems so attractive to the unquestioning fanatics.

Is it perhaps a kind of denial that planes are damaging the atmosphere in a completely normal and palpable way, giving them some kind of technology demon magic to drop chemicals on the public for purposes unknown?
 
Probably because the 'evidence' can easily be seen on any clear day. It also relies on a certain lack of knowledge about various things on the part of the believer (as is the case with 'orbs', as has been mentioned).
 
Why so many believers?

This'll probably get me flamed, but I honestly believe that in part it's denial, a refusal to accept any personal responsibility for the damage to the environment and changes in the climate caused by pollution.

Much better if it's the Government Out To Get Me, than getting rid of your gas guzzling SUV.

Just IMO
 
Re: Chemtrails

bobbaman said:
These are like normal contrail's (vapour left by planes) but linger in the sky much longer forming a thin layer of cloud.
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I'm afraid that both phenomena are just contrails. What happens to a contrail after it has formed depends on exactly what the atmospheric conditions are and they can turn into many different things, including "doughnuts on a rope."

Try and track down a copy of "Clouds of the World" by Scorer. (It even shows the "doughnuts on a rope" contrail that I've already mentioned.) 'till then, have a look at this page.
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/contrailsa.htm
:)
 
psst... Come close, I've got to whisper this in cace 'They' hear me...:eek:

Another perfectly logical explanation why some contrails tend to linger in the sky much longer forming a thin layer of cloud is that it's a calm day and there is very little wind.

This is because some thing call brownian motion. the basic principles conserning the disperal of a gas is that the molicules of that gass will disperse randomly bumping off other gas molicules that are wizzing around. the faster the atoms or molicules of gases are wizzing about around the contrail the faster and wider the distribution will be.

if you don't belive me that this could be a more likly alternative to the 'they're poisoning us' theory try this experiment:

get 2 different 'flavours' of insence stick and a fan. light the first insence stick. note how the smoke billows around a bit yet seems to hold out in a fairly constant stream of billowind scented smoke. Next tuurn your fan on full blast and hold the same insence stick (still lit) diectly in the air stream. You will note that the smoke seams to disipate. turn off the fan to see the smoke then start to billow out in a fairly constant stream once more. you may at this point wish to let the first incence stick burn away or just extinguish it as it is no longer neaded in the experiment.

Now for the really clever bit... having established that gas disperses quicker in the wind with the last part of the experiment we will now observe the difference caused in this spead of dispersion caused by only a few different chemicals being present...

Take the second insence stick ansd light this, you will note a different aroma from the first stick, this is due to there being a few different chemicals present in the insence stick. repeat what you did with the first stick. now compare what happened.

you should conclude from this that the presence and spead of wind has a much greater effect on gas dispersion than it's composition and has such a great evect that it tends to negate any difference caused by differing chemicals.

This dosen't of corse say that chemtrails don't exist but dose suport a much more plauseable and simple explanation which can be suported by evidence...
 
http://www.rense.com/general40/high.htm

Just read this interesting article on rense.com from the independant. Turns out that we shouldnt be worried about planes dumping crap in our clouds after all, they are full of pathogens already ...woohooo.

There is an interesting bit at the bottom tho, saying that bacteria may be developed to seed cloud, rather than chemeicals,

(implying that chemicals are already being used to seed cloud????)
 
bobbaman said:
(implying that chemicals are already being used to seed cloud????)
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No, saying that chemicals, such as silver nitrate, have been used in the past in attempts at promoting cloud formation and/or triggering rainfall.

The results have generally been unreliable and marginally less effective at producing rain than lighting a barbeque or playing cricket.

IMO the only places 'chemtrails' exist are in the minds of people who've never taken any interest in clouds at until someone told them about chemtrails.
 
Timble said:
No, saying that chemicals, such as silver nitrate, have been used in the past in attempts at promoting cloud formation and/or triggering rainfall.
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I think silver iodide was the most commonly used chemical for cloud seeding. There were suggestions that MoD cloud seeding experiments caused the Lynmouth flood of 1952.
 
It could have been co-incidence but I believe the Cloud-seeding experiments were dropped fairly quickly after that.

I had a great aunt who lost her house in that flood.
 
Re: silver iodide & Lynmouth

Thanks Beany, that's the one I meant, I think.

I hadn't heard the Lynmouth flood story before, well I'd heard about the floods, but not the seeding, I'll look it up.
 
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

Has any body else heard of an American Military Policy/Plan

'Owning the weather by 2025'

And if this is an actual policy isnt it prudent they should be testing any such plans before hand?

Or is this just more nonsense made up to back the 'INSANE CLOUD POSSE'S' arguments (or delusions as some of you would have it)?
 
Well, plans like that (if true) would not be served by high altitude aircraft releasing anything via 'chemtrails'. Cloud seeding tends to take place at lower altitudes and needs a decent amount of the right sort of cloud to be of any use. Theories about chemtrails differ from this because it's claimed that they're being used to dispense germs, etc. against the civilian population below, so weather manipulation is not involved.
 
I have heard various theories about compositions for Chemtrails , bacteria being just one and the most recent of them.

Others include substances to reflect sunlight/UV to combat global warming.

Chaff to scramble terrorist communications

Barium or other materials to Promote the HAARP radar? system.

And well it look like there's another one to add to the list, the Americans want to control the weather.
 
bobbaman said:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

Has any body else heard of an American Military Policy/Plan

'Owning the weather by 2025'

And if this is an actual policy isnt it prudent they should be testing any such plans before hand?
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Couldn't get the link to work, but if it's like some of the other, similar, documents that they've produced, its more of a "let's imagine" and "let's think outside the box" approach to futurology than any kind of statement of policy.
 
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