Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): Conspiracy Theories & Claims

kesavaross said:
A lot of people are dead. Have you noticed the increase in 'sudden deaths' in the news? Or the massive increase of heart attacks with professional sportsmen? Or the number of children suffering heart attacks, etc?
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In a sport I follow, pretty much every year since as long as I can remember prospective professionals get ruled out during detailed medical exams for real/potential heart conditions before the professional drafts.

I suspect this is for two reasons. The first is the genetics involved in being able to perform at that level (the extra abnormally high aerobic performance from the heart and lungs) lead to the heart system being ultra-efficient but also being prone to breakdown (much like a high end sports car). The second reason being effects from whatever cutting edge supplementation they use (both allowed and forbidden) to try to aid their performance.

The potential gain from supplementation: potentially making huge amounts of money and fame, are viewed to outweigh the risks.

Early heart issues are essentially a known thing for things like steroid use (common in the bodybuilding subculture for instance), but also used by athletes in many other sports.
 
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kamalktk said:
In a sport I follow, pretty much every year since as long as I can remember prospective professionals get ruled out during detailed medical exams for real/potential heart conditions before the professional drafts.

I suspect this is for two reasons. The first is the genetics involved in being able to perform at that level (the extra abnormally high aerobic performance from the heart and lungs) lead to the heart system being ultra-efficient but also being prone to breakdown (much like a high end sports car). The second reason being effects from whatever cutting edge supplementation they use (both allowed and forbidden) to try to aid their performance.

The potential gain from supplementation: potentially making huge amounts of money and fame, are viewed to outweigh the risks.

Early heart issues are essentially a known thing for things like steroid use (common in the bodybuilding subculture for instance), but also used by athletes in many other sports.
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There was the famous case of an Olympic athlete actually having her aorta rupture while she was competing. It was a genetic defect I think causing her cartilage to be extra stretchy or something. I wanna say Marfan syndrome, but not sure. But it was something she was known to have, but not seen as a major problem.... until she died.

It's something that event sponsors REALLY don't like since it kinda ruins the event. So that's another reason to have athletes tested for health problems. In organizations like the NFL, they have reason to sift out people with problematic health early since they don't wanna take the chance of having a player die or get disabled during football season.

So yeah, if a person has a heart defect that's likely to cause a problem... the NFL wants to know yesterday.
 
brownmane said:
But, my understanding could be wrong, do most deaths not get a very specific cause of death because they are not autopsied? A death certificate is usually the only document that labels COD and this is just a doctor that fills out the form, not a formal investigation. Only those autopsied have a coroner identifying the actual cause.
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It's true you don't have an autopsy for everyone. However... death certificates should have the best info about cause of death on them. like: "found dead in his chair watching TV." It shouldn't be a rubber stamp... even if it's just a summary of the scene where the deceased was found.

Key thing here... is that.. the number of cases like this seemingly went up quite a lot.
 
Superforecasters did a backcast on Covid origins.

In aggregate, they assessed that the pandemic was:

74% likely to have been caused by natural zoonosis (meaning that SARS-CoV-2 emerged in human populations as the result of the infection of a person with coronavirus directly from a naturally infected non-human animal);

25% likely to have been caused by a biomedical research-related accident
(meaning that SARS-CoV-2 emerged in human populations as the result of the accidental infection of a laboratory worker with a natural coronavirus; or the
accidental infection of researchers with a natural coronavirus during biomedical fieldwork; or the accidental infection of a laboratory worker with an engineered coronavirus; “research” includes civilian biomedical, biodefense, and bioweapons
research);

https://goodjudgment.substack.com/p/superforecasting-the-origins-of-the
 
May 30, 2024 3:00 am
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A scandal at the National Institutes of Health has come to a head in recent weeks as new evidence has suggested that several top officials may have had a hand in thwarting investigations into the origins of COVID-19, drawing condemnation from Republicans and Democrats.

Although the inquiry has not produced any smoking gun regarding the origins of the virus, it has uncovered evidence of key players boasting about their ability to hide smoking guns from oversight. Subpoenaed emails have revealed a number of NIH officials and key players intentionally avoiding Freedom of Information Act requests by using misspelled keywords in searches, deleting government records, and using private email addresses for business.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...email-scandal-covid-19-origins-inquiry-fauci/
 
uair01 said:
Superforecasters did a backcast on Covid origins.


25% likely to have been caused by a biomedical research-related accident
(meaning that SARS-CoV-2 emerged in human populations as the result of the accidental infection of a laboratory worker with a natural coronavirus; or the
accidental infection of researchers with a natural coronavirus during biomedical fieldwork; or the accidental infection of a laboratory worker with an engineered coronavirus; “research” includes civilian biomedical, biodefense, and bioweapons
research);

https://goodjudgment.substack.com/p/superforecasting-the-origins-of-the
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Lumping multiple sources of natural coronavirus infection in with "engineered" coronavirus is an incredibly dumb thing of them to do, because it could be 0.01% chance of engineered and people will look at that 25% total number and say "see, 25% engineered".
 
kamalktk said:
Lumping multiple sources of natural coronavirus infection in with "engineered" coronavirus is an incredibly dumb thing of them to do, because it could be 0.01% chance of engineered and people will look at that 25% total number and say "see, 25% engineered".
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It is definitely tricky wording, but I did read that as the research looking at the probability and likelihood of where the virus originated. I'm guessing that is the media's dumbed down version and 0.01% chance doesn't make an exciting headline.
 
No idea if this is true. Does anyone know more?

Anthony Fauci's Inner Circle Initially Thought COVID Came From a Lab
Sen. Rand Paul explains why FOIA litigation shouldn’t have been necessary to find this out.
RAND PAUL | 6.18.2024 6:15 PM

Did COVID-19 originate in a lab? To answer this question, let's revisit the early days of the pandemic and examine what some of Anthony Fauci's inner circle said privately about the origins of the virus—discussions that were only revealed through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) litigation.

Evolutionary biologist Kristian Andersen wrote, "The lab escape version of this is so friggin' likely to have happened because they were already doing this type of work and the molecular data is fully consistent with that scenario."

Epidemiologist Ian Lipkin stressed the "nightmare of circumstantial evidence to assess" regarding the possibility of inadvertent release given the scale of bat coronavirus research pursued in Wuhan, China.

Virologist Bob Garry said at the time, "I really can't think of a plausible natural scenario when you get from the bat virus, or one very similar to it, COVID–19 where you insert exactly four amino acids, 12 nucleotides, and all have to be added at the exact same time to gain this function. I just can't figure out how this gets accomplished in nature." According to Garry, "it's not crackpot to suggest this could have happened, given the gain of function research we know was happening in Wuhan."

Even Ralph Baric, world-famous gain-of-function researcher and collaborator with Wuhan Institute of Virology doctor Shi Zhengli, admitted, "So [the Wuhan Institute of Virology has] a very large collection of viruses in their laboratory. And so it's—you know—proximity is a problem. It's a problem."

Federal court orders reveal that Fauci himself privately acknowledged concerns about gain-of-function research in Wuhan and "mutations in the virus that suggest it might have been engineered" just days before he commissioned the Proximal Origin paper.

https://reason.com/2024/06/18/antho...dium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=image

More interesting links here in the comments:
https://manifold.markets/IsaacKing/did-covid19-come-from-a-laboratory?r=dWFpcjAx
 
this fits with how there was an almost immediate official stance of "it definitely wasn't from Wuhan".... BEFORE people actually asked serious questions.

You don't come out with "it definitely wasn't from a lab".... if you have no reason to think that. The official stance was "we don't know where it came from, but it wasn't that." Like really? the weird juxtaposition of claims was sus on it's own.
 
uair01 said:
Virologist Bob Garry said at the time, "I really can't think of a plausible natural scenario when you get from the bat virus, or one very similar to it, COVID–19 where you insert exactly four amino acids, 12 nucleotides, and all have to be added at the exact same time to gain this function. I just can't figure out how this gets accomplished in nature."
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So how did all the creatures of the earth evolve from a primeval swamp? Is that not along the same lines?
Of course not, on the 5th and 6th day god respectively created the creatures of the sea and the creatures of the land.
Or maybe we were dropped off by alien starships piloted by owls?
 
uair01 said:
No idea if this is true. Does anyone know more?

Anthony Fauci's Inner Circle Initially Thought COVID Came From a Lab
Sen. Rand Paul explains why FOIA litigation shouldn’t have been necessary to find this out.
RAND PAUL | 6.18.2024 6:15 PM

Did COVID-19 originate in a lab? To answer this question, let's revisit the early days of the pandemic and examine what some of Anthony Fauci's inner circle said privately about the origins of the virus—discussions that were only revealed through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) litigation.

Evolutionary biologist Kristian Andersen wrote, "The lab escape version of this is so friggin' likely to have happened because they were already doing this type of work and the molecular data is fully consistent with that scenario."

Epidemiologist Ian Lipkin stressed the "nightmare of circumstantial evidence to assess" regarding the possibility of inadvertent release given the scale of bat coronavirus research pursued in Wuhan, China.

Virologist Bob Garry said at the time, "I really can't think of a plausible natural scenario when you get from the bat virus, or one very similar to it, COVID–19 where you insert exactly four amino acids, 12 nucleotides, and all have to be added at the exact same time to gain this function. I just can't figure out how this gets accomplished in nature." According to Garry, "it's not crackpot to suggest this could have happened, given the gain of function research we know was happening in Wuhan."

Even Ralph Baric, world-famous gain-of-function researcher and collaborator with Wuhan Institute of Virology doctor Shi Zhengli, admitted, "So [the Wuhan Institute of Virology has] a very large collection of viruses in their laboratory. And so it's—you know—proximity is a problem. It's a problem."

Federal court orders reveal that Fauci himself privately acknowledged concerns about gain-of-function research in Wuhan and "mutations in the virus that suggest it might have been engineered" just days before he commissioned the Proximal Origin paper.

https://reason.com/2024/06/18/antho...dium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=image

More interesting links here in the comments:
https://manifold.markets/IsaacKing/did-covid19-come-from-a-laboratory?r=dWFpcjAx
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From the rest of the text:

"Today's full committee hearing, the first of its kind in the Senate, is a crucial step to obtaining answers for the American people on the origins of COVID-19. The next step is to have government officials testify before our committee publicly, and I look forward to working with Chairman Peters to hold that hearing."

So... a politician making a political statement.

Paul has had Fauci testify on this subject previously, it is not a "first of its kind".
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-fauci-and-paul-round-2/
 
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For comparison here's a real lab leak from the Soviet Republic:
https://www.statecraft.pub/p/how-to-catch-a-lab-leak

In April and May 1979, between 66 and 300 people died from anthrax in the Russian city of Sverdlovsk, now called Yekaterinburg. The Soviet authorities seized doctors’ records and quickly rolled out an explanation: the deaths were an accident caused by contaminated meat.

But American intelligence agencies suspected a more nefarious explanation: the Soviets were secretly developing biological weapons.

Meselson’s paper confirming the lab leak is an epidemiological classic.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7973702/
 
More discussion on lab leak:
https://m.slashdot.org/story/432072/outstanding

the claim itself has fomented a surge of attacks on science and scientists that threatens to drive promising researchers out of the crucial field of pandemic epidemiology. That concern was aired in a commentary by 41 biologists, immunologists, virologists and physicians published Aug. 1 in the Journal of Virology. The journal probably isn't in the libraries of ordinary readers, but the article's prose is commendably clear and its conclusions eye-opening. "The lab leak narrative fuels mistrust in science and public health infrastructures," the authors observe. "Scientists and public health professionals stand between us and pandemic pathogens; these individuals are essential for anticipating, discovering, and mitigating future pandemic threats. Yet, scientists and public health professionals have been harmed and their institutions have been damaged by the skewed public and political opinions stirred by continued promotion of the lab leak hypothesis in the absence of evidence...."

[O]ne can't advance the lab leak theory without positing a vast conspiracy encompassing scientists in China and the U.S., and Chinese and U.S. government officials. How else could all the evidence of a laboratory event that resulted in more than 7 million deaths worldwide be kept entirely suppressed for nearly five years... "Validating the lab leak hypothesis requires intelligence evidence that the WIV possessed or carried out work on a SARS-CoV-2 precursor virus prior to the pandemic," the Virology paper asserts. "Neither the scientific community nor multiple western intelligence agencies have found such evidence." Despite that, "the lab leak hypothesis receives persistent attention in the media, often without acknowledgment of the more solid evidence supporting zoonotic emergence," the paper says...
 
interesting discussion there... feels more like propaganda than earnest discussion to me. But it's written by people who have a vested interest in the promotion of their field of research. So it makes sense that they'd take a rosy tinted stance.
 
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I thought there was evidence that there was research on bat coronaviruses going on before the pandemic? Gain of function tests in labs in China. That has been reported before in the media - probably from a number of sources - but certainly it has been mentioned.

I am not sure how much proof would be left behind of a laboratory leak, if someone tried to cover it up. Would any irrefutable proof/evidence be found?

The speed at which the different vaccines were developed - how? Who had enough data/knowledge and how did it get shared with researchers to develop them this quickly?

There are a lot of mysteries - and the theories are being batted back/forth by different experts/non experts/conspiracy theorists.

Maybe no-one in the general public will ever know what really happened. There seems to be no interest in investigating/divulging the details/enforcing sanctions (if necessary) by the powers that be worldwide.
 
In fact, the powers that be seem to be talking more about M pox now. I hope the threat of M pox is not as serious as Covid19 was to us all, and it is just being used by the powers that be to divert attention elsewhere to kill the dead Covid19 story dead....

Or maybe Covid19 was left on earth when some aliens came down in a UFO and accidently infected us, and no-one developed it in a laboratory/it didn't naturally evolve in the wild.....
 
Earthly oddity said:
In fact, the powers that be seem to be talking more about M pox now. I hope the threat of M pox is not as serious as Covid19 was to us all, and it is just being used by the powers that be to divert attention elsewhere to kill the dead Covid19 story dead....

Or maybe Covid19 was left on earth when some aliens came down in a UFO and accidently infected us, and no-one developed it in a laboratory/it didn't naturally evolve in the wild.....
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I personally suspect this is more fearmongering than real danger. Sure, it's a disease you might catch. beyond that though?
 

Mark Zuckerberg: Covid censorship was wrong and I wish I’d fought it​

Mark Zuckerberg has said Facebook and Instagram were wrong to censor posts about Covid during the pandemic and that the company should have fought pressure from the Biden administration.

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In a letter to a US committee investigating online content moderation, Mr Zuckerberg said senior White House officials “repeatedly pressured” the company after Joe Biden was inaugurated in 2021.

He said that Facebook “made some choices” that it would not have made today.

In a letter to Jim Jordan, the Trump-supporting head of the House of Representatives’ Judiciary Committee, Mr Zuckerberg wrote: “In 2021, senior officials from the Biden administration, including the White House, repeatedly pressured our teams for months to censor certain Covid-19 content, including humour and satire, and expressed a lot of frustration with our teams when we didn’t agree.

“Ultimately, it was our decision whether or not to take content down, and we own our decisions, including Covid-19-related changes we made to our enforcement in the wake of this pressure.

“I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it. I also think we made some choices that, with the benefit of hindsight and new information, we wouldn’t make today.

“Like I said to our teams at the time, I feel strongly that we should not compromise our content standards due to pressure from any administration in either direction – and we’re ready to push back if something like this happens again.”

During the pandemic, Facebook added misinformation alerts to users when they commented on or liked posts that were judged to contain false information about Covid.

It also deleted posts criticising the Covid vaccine, or suggesting that Covid was developed in a Chinese laboratory, a theory that has since become supported by some mainstream scientists and government agencies.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mark-zuckerberg-covid-censorship-wrong-081232540.html

maximus otter
 
Some bizarre developments on the nano scale, highlighted here by my favourite man of medicine:
Essentially, some self-assembling structures have been found after interaction by the mRNA vaccine. Example below:
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To me, this looks worrying like a nano-machine. To what purpose?
 
Mythopoeika said:
Some bizarre developments on the nano scale, highlighted here by my favourite man of medicine:
Essentially, some self-assembling structures have been found after interaction by the mRNA vaccine. Example below:
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To me, this looks worrying like a nano-machine. To what purpose?
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Article on the use of nanotechnology in medicine, specifically in combatting infectious and inflammatory diseases.

It is obvious that the covid vaccines were not the first nor only use in the field of medicine.
 
brownmane said:
Article on the use of nanotechnology in medicine, specifically in combatting infectious and inflammatory diseases.

It is obvious that the covid vaccines were not the first nor only use in the field of medicine.
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It still looks alarming. And we were not told.
 
brownmane said:
Article on the use of nanotechnology in medicine, specifically in combatting infectious and inflammatory diseases.

It is obvious that the covid vaccines were not the first nor only use in the field of medicine.
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the guys who made the Covid shot had previously tried to get it to work on AIDs.
 
More pictures and discussion on the self-assembling nano-scale structures from Dr Philip McMillan:
 
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