Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): Conspiracy Theories & Claims

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Probably because viruses can jump between species.
True. It's happened many times. But... IS it what happened?

Adding it to the list of possible origins for the virus is fine. Declaring it to definitively be THE origin is premature. We don't know with certainty where it came from yet. To declare it as a definitely that months ago when we knew even less?
Yep, Hanlon's Razor* needs to be applied to this whole situation. I (personally) feel that a balls-up may have led to the initial exposure of people to the novel (to humans) Coronavirus and then arse-covering was given a higher priority than containment.
Seems like a possibility. Then again, I suspect that containment was impossible by the time they realized what had happened.
No and I don't think you will catch it. I won't. In fact, the leader of the country i am in stated I "wasn't allowed to get it" (being an International truck driver). If this was a REAL virus with such a potential devastating effect, EVERYBODY would be at risk, including the police, Army, Diplomats and truck drivers
The breakdowns on the infection stats are pretty interesting. I checked a while back on the CDC site and it listed 80% or more as having no major symptoms. But more recent studies have concluded this is LESS than the actual, and maybe as few as 13% actually get sick. Yeah some people die, but most don't. Though you might die if you get a second case of a different strain after you survive the first one.
But get wise. These testing stations are here to stay for a very long time. Travel WILL become the norm only after you have been tested, at the PRICE they see fit to extort from you, If they don't like your face....it's positive. You travel nowhere
Many Airlines are clamouring for COVID PASSPORTS
It's not just airlines. I've heard about it as a general extension of masking rules.
Remind me. How many variants are there now? Two? Original and S.Africa/UK variant or is the "Kent" variant included as well.
only two? depends on how you define them. Looks like the vaccines are too late. Well actually the virus had too many variants by the time anyone made a vaccine for the vaccine to work on them all.
The problem is people were asked not to travel, not to expose others to it and the people ignored it.
That's just it... that only really applies over long distances... and the virus went global months before the health advisories went out. Quarantine in many places failed before the virus had a name. Read the various links in this thread. The pandemic got started in the SUMMER of 2019. It's been identified in blood samples from Italy that were taken MONTHS prior to the virus having a NAME.
Variants are created by spread, as far as I see. Spread within a community, not necessarily a different country. The more an organism reproduces, the higher chance of mutation. So if, for instance, you had a single city that allowed a virus to run rampant, the virus would have more opportunity to mutate in, say, a much more virulent form. And this virulent form can spread from said city.
It's as simple as each time (and I mean each individual cell in a person's body) the virus replicates there is a chance to mutate. Realistically it's rare for all viruses in a specific individual to have exactly the same genetic sequence. Many of them mutate constantly. And this is true of the samples of Covid-19 that were obtained in 2019. There were multiple strains before it had a name.

Sure, there are people with an apathetic attitude that made it worse. They're not the reason the virus went global. It went global because it's an airborne disease so contagious you can get it from being in the same room that someone with the virus was in days ago. And also because most people don't actually get sick. Like I said up above about illness rates, the early spread was likely due to people who had no reason to think they had a contagious disease doing normal everyday stuff. The virus was in multiple major population centers back in november2019.
 

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well this popped up today....
Wuhan's COVID-19 outbreak probably 500% bigger than first thought, WHO team tells CNN (msn.com)
It's reprocessed information, but it's at least a decent recap probably.
"US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins"

Encouraging to see Joe Biden stating that returning to the WHO “never been more important”, but also stressing that rejoining the global health institution also meant “holding it to the highest standards”. One US official said the US government was talking to the WHO privately about its concerns.

https://www.ft.com/content/133fb55f-6630-4994-b34f-f4a78d6fbcab
 

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"US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins"

Encouraging to see Joe Biden stating that returning to the WHO “never been more important”, but also stressing that rejoining the global health institution also meant “holding it to the highest standards”. One US official said the US government was talking to the WHO privately about its concerns.

https://www.ft.com/content/133fb55f-6630-4994-b34f-f4a78d6fbcab
Aw... it's a pay-to-read site :/
 

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*Deep breath*
I am all for questioning 'received wisdom' when there is evidence of it being wrong. I also question 'out of the box' thinking when it has questionable evidence or data to support it. "Question everything" means everything - including novel theories as well as orthodox ideas.

This said, I say that there's many questions to be answered about the origin of Covid-19 ... not the existence of it!
However we come against not science but politics. Science deals with facts; politics deals with interpretation and use of facts.
We must also include not fact, or science, but human considerations. Humans are not logical. They can be given a fact and they completely ignore it or even change it to suit themselves.
Humans are the Wildcard of science.
When it comes to the pandemic, we may have differing ideas of how to deal with it, live with it or even eradicate it. But only human nutjobs would say "Well, in the face of evidence we've been given ... it doesn't exist and it's just a reason to ..." etc. etc.
There's a big difference between questioning data for answers and just questioning data 'cause you don't like/don't understand the data.
 

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That's weird. It let me in the first time, but not now.

Try this SKY news report instead, covering similar ground:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...ld-health-organization-investigation-12218280
Not a whole lot there. Mostly that Biden and Johnson think China is hiding something, and that China is using political excuses to not hand it over.

Is anyone surprised by this: WHO Finds Original Covid-19 Outbreak in China Was More Widespread Than Reported (msn.com)
I'm not!
Sooo we know the Chinese were lying. We don't know all the specifics of what they were lying about yet.
This said, I say that there's many questions to be answered about the origin of Covid-19 ... not the existence of it!
This is something I've noticed quite a lot. Person a tries to talk about how he finds parts of the official stance on Covid-19 suspect... gets labeled as an anti-masker and Covid-denier before he even explains what he is skeptical about. Yeah... I often suspect that people accusing others of denying the existence of Covid-19 are doing so as a deflectionary tactic, and not because ANYONE is actually saying it doesn't exist.
However we come against not science but politics. Science deals with facts; politics deals with interpretation and use of facts.
We must also include not fact, or science, but human considerations. Humans are not logical. They can be given a fact and they completely ignore it or even change it to suit themselves.
Humans are the Wildcard of science.
When it comes to the pandemic, we may have differing ideas of how to deal with it, live with it or even eradicate it. But only human nutjobs would say "Well, in the face of evidence we've been given ... it doesn't exist and it's just a reason to ..." etc. etc.
There's a big difference between questioning data for answers and just questioning data 'cause you don't like/don't understand the data.
he, like that big discussion we had earlier about the way various entities measure Covid-19 deaths and compile statistics...

That is not about "not understanding" the numbers. That is about having reasons for thinking the numbers are trash.

Is Covid-19 real? probably, Are governments using it as an excuse to do things that would otherwise be a violation of human rights? yes.
 

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The issue is she's been hawking bullshit remedies for a while now, all to line her and her self-serving buddies' already stuffed pockets, and I don't know what the Hell an "infrared" sauna is, but I'm willing to safely bet it has nothing to do with science or health. About as much to do with her vaginal eggs which she was rightly sued for, anyway. They used to call people like her snake oil salesmen. It was not a compliment.
 

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The issue is she's been hawking bullshit remedies for a while now, all to line her and her self-serving buddies' already stuffed pockets, and I don't know what the Hell an "infrared" sauna is, but I'm willing to safely bet it has nothing to do with science or health. About as much to do with her vaginal eggs which she was rightly sued for, anyway. They used to call people like her snake oil salesmen. It was not a compliment.
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Gwyneth "smell my candle" Paltrow accused of spreading dangerous misinformation by claiming that fasting, herbal drinks and saunas can cure long Covid.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...-covid-advice-challenged-nhs-england-director
Gwyneth’s Smell My Vagina Candle reportedly nearly set someone’s house on fire.
Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina-scented candle wrought havoc on the life of one British woman when her little bit of mood lighting turned into a roaring blaze.

Jody Thompson of Kilburn, North London told The Sun that she won the anatomically-inspired home good in an online quiz, but got more than she bargained for when she went to light it. “The candle exploded and emitted huge flames, with bits flying everywhere," she said. "I’ve never seen anything like it. The whole thing was ablaze and it was too hot to touch. There was an inferno in the room.” However, eventually, Thompson said she and her partner, David Snow, “We eventually got it under control and threw it out the front door." The media consultant added, “It could have burned the place down. It was scary at the time, but funny looking back that Gwyneth’s vagina candle exploded in my living room.” Thompson also shared photos with the outlet of the aftermath, showing the melted and warped gold label on the black glass container.
Now if a simple bit of aromatherapy from Gwyneth can go so drastically wrong, you have to wonder what frightening side effects the rest of her brainwaves could create.
 

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Gwyneth’s Smell My Vagina Candle reportedly nearly set someone’s house on fire.
It's allegedly a candle... Can you really call it a candle if it's not a fire hazard? I mean by definition a proper candle has a flame. Anything that requires you to light it on fire to use it could in theory burn your house down.

I do feel the "exploded" claim is worth a bit of further investigation though.
 

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The issue is she's been hawking bullshit remedies for a while now, all to line her and her self-serving buddies' already stuffed pockets, and I don't know what the Hell an "infrared" sauna is, but I'm willing to safely bet it has nothing to do with science or health. About as much to do with her vaginal eggs which she was rightly sued for, anyway. They used to call people like her snake oil salesmen. It was not a compliment.
Infrared saunas exist - they are much less expensive than real saunas, they just give you a hot little space. So not-a-real sauna.
 

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Infrared saunas exist - they are much less expensive than real saunas, they just give you a hot little space. So not-a-real sauna.
the "Science" behind them detoxifying the body is ropey at best.
 

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I was engaging with the article.

Women explains some stuff she does to herself to make herself feel better.

Her business. None of anyone else's.

We are getting very close to the point where anyone expressing views not in line with the authority-approved views are pilloried, castigated and publicly shamed.

This, in my opinion, is not good at best and dangerous at worst.
 

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I was engaging with the article.

Women explains some stuff she does to herself to make herself feel better.

Her business. None of anyone else's.

We are getting very close to the point where anyone expressing views not in line with the authority-approved views are pilloried, castigated and publicly shamed.

This, in my opinion, is not good at best and dangerous at worst.
I agree that people explaining how they are coping with the symptoms of a particular malady is fine, this becomes an issue when they start recommending it for everyone, not knowing any specifics about individuals and how it may effect them in an adverse way. This is why medicines by law have to list all known side effects listed for their products.
 

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I was engaging with the article.

Women explains some stuff she does to herself to make herself feel better.

Her business. None of anyone else's.

We are getting very close to the point where anyone expressing views not in line with the authority-approved views are pilloried, castigated and publicly shamed.

This, in my opinion, is not good at best and dangerous at worst.
That's putting something of a spin on Paltrow's statement.
I tend to agree with the medical director of NHS that, suggesting that fasting and other esoteric practices are an effective treatment for Covid, is highly irresponsible.
The bottom line is that I would choose to take the NHS' advice ahead of Ms Paltrow's and I believe the only genuine benefit from fasting is weight loss.
Indeed the NHS advice seems to be that it is very important to maintain levels of nutrition if you become infected with Covid.
 

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It's "Hear hear". Not "Here here".
I've been converted to the belief that in order to be a truly authentic meme, some kind of illiteracy must feature.

I've been forwarded homemade ones by friends who clearly know the correct English but have introduced errors ironically.

The favourites, of course, are its/it's, there/their and the grocer's apostrophe.

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The bottom line is that I would choose to take the NHS' advice ahead of Ms Paltrow's and I believe the only genuine benefit from fasting is weight loss.
There is also the benefit of cleaning out the bowels, etc.
 

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I've been converted to the belief that in order to be a truly authentic meme, some kind of illiteracy must feature.

I've been forwarded homemade ones by friends who clearly know the difference but have introduced errors ironically.

The favourites, of course, are its/it's, there/their and the grocer's apostrophe.
Another one is 'teh' instead of 'the'.
 

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I only mentioned it as I saw someone else writing it wrong on this board on the same day.

As for Ms Paltrow, she does have a history of peddling questionable products. That makes it seem like more than just her opinion.
 
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