- Aug 19, 2003
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I dunno, but I also don't know how many died of Covid-19.So how many people were killed by a toaster this week in India?
Instead people carry on about how we shouldn't even talk about Wuhan for fear it might inspire racially motivated violence... really?From Twitter. Interesting observation:
So according to the much celebrated global media outlets, the Corona variants are Brazil variant, South Africa variant, UK variant, India variant and so on, but the original virus is just Covid. Not Chinese. Let that sink in. Well played China. Well played.
Instead people carry on about how we shouldn't even talk about Wuhan for fear it might inspire racially motivated violence
I dunno, but I also don't know how many died of Covid-19.
How were they counting that? Did they count people who didn't actually die of it like several other places have that got mentioned earlier?
Instead people carry on about how we shouldn't even talk about Wuhan for fear it might inspire racially motivated violence... really?
Yeah, the part that makes me REALLY suspicious, is that the "it's not China's fault" mantra.... got spread around by official sources back before any real discussion even started.This is a terrible shame - I think it is necessary to have a discussion with, and about, China. For the sake of humanity, for the sake of learning, for the sake of prevention - we need a tough, honest discussion. What happened? What didn't happen? What things can we put in place to prevent something like this happening again? How can we manage things better?
This is not an exercise in apportioning blame. Unless that is necessary. It is an exercise in keeping humanity safer.
No discussion- no learning.
It almost sounds like a good way to do it when you phrase it that way. There are some problems, as was discussed on a previous page in great detail. To me the most significant is that to call someone a Covid-19 casualty implies they'd still be alive if they hadn't contracted the disease, and more so that the disease caused them to die. Is that actually the case with the reported casualty figures? As mentioned earlier... some methods of counting Covid related deaths(such as in Britain)... don't actually care what the cause of death is. Instead you get marked a casualty just because you were exposed to the virus.They're counting it by the hundreds of thousands of victims who have expressed symptoms and tested positive. Around 128 thousand have died in Britain. If 129 thousand people have died from toasters since last year, it's time we got these menaces out of the kitchen.
Ideally you'd have officials do an honest investigation into what happened.
Is that actually the case with the reported casualty figures?
According to the news they are still counting people dying within 28 days of a positive covid testI think this should be a fairly basic and uncontraversial wish. We need to learn from what happened. It concerns me that, so far, this seems to be off the agenda, and I don't know why.
No. People who died with covid were counted as dying of covid. Not the same thing. I genuinely don't understand why most countries did this. I would be willing to be that this is no longer being done in the UK at least, hence the dramatic decrease in "covid deaths" that can support the ending of lockdown restrictions.
Yeah some of the "long Covid" stuff is just random symptoms that were observed in patients. Is it a coincidence? No idea. The need for further research is indicated. But in the meantime it'll get used as a reason to tell people they'll get crippled for life if they get Covid. There are KNOWN methods(such as lung tissue damage) where that can happen, but it's not the same thing.Anybody looked into "long covid" some of it looks legitimate but it seems like a lot of random stuff (even acne on teens) is being attributed to it... there's a super sketchy site called long covid kids (.org) which I won't link to because it seems very suspect. I found this article suggesting a skeptical approach to Long Covid
I'm thinking this may be the new "Lyme disease" where anything and everything gets attributed to it
As was mentioned before in this thread, it seems the Wuhan lab was not acting alone. It appears that WHO and the US CDC were cooperating with them in some capacity. Which is why I made that analogy about the wolves choosing who gets to be a shepherd. The investigation is being done by people who have no desire or reason to do a real investigation. They're in a position where they have to choose between looking out for their own interests and investigating.I think this should be a fairly basic and uncontraversial wish. We need to learn from what happened. It concerns me that, so far, this seems to be off the agenda, and I don't know why.
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...t-china-earlier-researchers/story?id=71123270What just now came to light was Wuhan employees were sick in November 2019 instead of the reported December 2019.
This reminds me of how at one point they tried to claim the virus got imported to China on frozen food.President Biden's renewed inquiry into Covid's origins, with apparent emphasis on the Wuhan lab leak theory, has prompted a furious response from the CCP - who now counter-claim that it may have started on an army base in Maryland!