Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): Conspiracy Theories & Claims

[Lb8535]

That's different. flu shots are the same category of vaccine, but technically a different vaccine since the active agents in the vaccine are different. As you pointed out, it's needed because of exposure to a different viral strain than the previous one. So this year it's flu-2021, next year it's flu-2022.

The Covid-19 thing... is apparently a situation where you slowly become more vulnerable over time to what you were immunized against. The proposed "booster shots" are the SAME vaccine as the initial shot. Not sure how that works. Getting the 2021 flu vaccine in 2022... doesn't help as much as the 2022 vaccine would. Soo.... how is this different?

No. In the flu case, the vaccines are not fully effective, because the 2021 flu vaccine is based on flue strains from 2020, and the 2021 flu season will probably have a new strain not seen before.

Not exactly, mutation is a replication error when multiplying within a host. Which in the case of the flu happens regularly enough that it mutates far enough yearly to create break-though infections. Exact odds? enh.... depends on virus.

They've had 40 years or so to figure out the flu vaccine. I believe that flu viruses are typed into a few classes - within each class, the vaccine is reasonably useful. Variants arise in flu the same as for covid - the more people are infected, the more the virus replicates, the more mutations, and the more chance that some will be "useful" to the virus. Some flu years are a lot worse than others and the manufacturers have to project six months ahead which type(s) of flu vaccine to make this year. But they know a lot more about the virus than they do about covid. And we've had more opportunity to develop antibodies to the various types, not to mention some of us 40 years of varying kinds of flu shots and exposure. But people do still get the flu and some are hospitalized and some die - but significantly lower numbers. And those numbers all vary from year to year. And there are also dopes, several in my family, who say they don't "need" the shot and then complain each year that they get the flu. Since they don't get all that sick, it's only a big deal to the people who catch it from them.

 

[ramonmercado]

Conspiracy to kidnap Governor Whitmer.

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (AP) — A man upset over state-ordered coronavirus restrictions was sentenced to just over six years in prison Wednesday for planning to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a significant break that reflected his quick decision to cooperate and help agents build cases against others.

Ty Garbin admitted his role in the alleged scheme weeks after his arrest last fall. He is among six men charged in federal court but the only one to plead guilty so far. It was a key victory for prosecutors as they try to prove an astonishing plot against the others.

“I cannot even begin to imagine the amount of stress and fear her family felt because of my actions. And for that I am truly sorry,” the 25-year-old aviation mechanic told the judge.
In his plea agreement, Garbin said the six men trained at his property near Luther, Michigan, constructing a “shoot house” to resemble Whitmer’s vacation home and “assaulting it with firearms.”
The government, noting Garbin’s exceptional cooperation, asked U.S. District Judge Robert Jonker to give him credit for helping investigators reinforce their case against his co-defendants.

The “Constitution is designed to ensure that we work out our fundamental and different views peacefully, not at the point of a gun, not with some other blunt force threat or a kidnapping conspiracy,” the judge said.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mich...ing-plot-ty-garbin_n_6126b6a1e4b092664347f434

 

[Patrick30]

How many Brits are ingesting sheep wormer these days?

 

[JahaRa]

How many Brits are ingesting sheep wormer these days?

In the states we use it for dogs, cats, horses etc. In fact, vets do a heart worm test then prescribe a dose every month for dogs. It is expensive, 50.00 or more for 6 doses and you can't just buy it over the counter unless you get it at a feed store and the doses are for horses. My brother used to buy it that way and had a calculation of how much to give his tiny dog.

 

[Patrick30]

Yea I know how its used(and currently being misused) in the States. I was wondering how many Brits are currently misusing it.

 

[JahaRa]

Yea I know how its used(and currently being misused) in the States. I was wondering how many Brits are currently misusing it.

If people in the U.S. are misusing it, I am sure there are people in the UK doing the same thing.

 

[hunck]

How many Brits are ingesting sheep wormer these days?

Dunno. Not many I’d wager. Sorry, not a very helpful answer.

 

[Patrick30]

If people in the U.S. are misusing it, I am sure there are people in the UK doing the same thing.

Dunno. Not many I’d wager. Sorry, not a very helpful answer.

Well that's certainly good news that the Isles havn't gone completely insane like the US.

 

[JahaRa]

Well that's certainly good news that the Isles havn't gone completely insane like the US.

No, their insanity is nothing like the US, but it is still insane.

 

[EnolaGaia]

How many Brits are ingesting sheep wormer these days?

Well ... There are any subjects participating in the Oxford University study that supposedly got underway in June ...

 

[Yithian]

Yea I know how its used(and currently being misused) in the States. I was wondering how many Brits are currently misusing it.

In the U.S. a constitutional right to ingest sheep wormer will be asserted by the Supreme Court; in the U.K. sheep will be banned by Parliament; the Aussies and the Kiwis will cull all sheep and all worms for good measure.

The Chinese will deny the existence of sheep.

 

[Lb8535]

I missed the wormer thing. Is there something in sheep wormer that is supposed to kill viruses? That stuff is strong you need to be careful how you dose cats.

Whatever happened with the guy who drank aquarium cleaner with quinine in it and died - or maybe his wife killed him?

 

[EnolaGaia]

There was anecdotal evidence that Ivermectin killed the SARS-COV-2 virus. This claim was amplified by the published report of a study from Egypt that was touted as proof until it was demonstrated to be fatally flawed and withdrawn owing to "ethical concerns" last month (July). See:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w
https://www.theguardian.com/science...vid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

 

[marhawkman]

Which is one of those things where... it's not seemingly a final answer, and now people aren't sure what to think.

 

[JahaRa]

In the U.S. a constitutional right to ingest sheep wormer will be asserted by the Supreme Court; in the U.K. sheep will be banned by Parliament; the Aussies and the Kiwis will cull all sheep and all worms for good measure.

The Chinese will deny the existence of sheep.

It is really maddening but my sister's sister in law, who was a lab nurse, brought over some ivermectin when she and her daughter had covid last month. She insisted it would cure them. (a NURSE!!!! though always known to be a bit insane) My niece took some of it and my sister told her it was not good to take it. They are farmers, all of them know what ivermectin is for.

The thing people don't understand and should is that you do not cure a virus, nothing cure's a virus, you have to have a good immune system to fight it off. That is why some people get shingles, their body never did fight off the chicken pox virus. A vaccination for a virus causes the body to create the antibodies to fight the virus. That is why some people get the symptoms of the virus they have been vaccinated against for a short time.

 

[marhawkman]

It is really maddening but my sister's sister in law, who was a lab nurse, brought over some ivermectin when she and her daughter had covid last month. She insisted it would cure them. (a NURSE!!!! though always known to be a bit insane) My niece took some of it and my sister told her it was not good to take it. They are farmers, all of them know what ivermectin is for.

The thing people don't understand and should is that you do not cure a virus, nothing cure's a virus, you have to have a good immune system to fight it off. That is why some people get shingles, their body never did fight off the chicken pox virus. A vaccination for a virus causes the body to create the antibodies to fight the virus. That is why some people get the symptoms of the virus they have been vaccinated against for a short time.

There's two main approaches to treating a disease. 1: "cure" it... which... is largely inapplicable to viruses. 2: treat symptoms to prevent it from causing problems.

To my understanding, Ivermectin was in category 2. IE, if you were sick it'd reduce the severity of the illness.

oh in a strange coincidence someone literally just sent me a link to this document explaining it:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...f1ynZsituEJAWhO-NZTW9UJFxzNusWTQxDEqn1yHNQXHw

Hunh, I was wrong, apparently Ivermectin can reduce the rate at which viruses reproduce, thus allowing your body to kill them off with an immune response faster. So... it's about as close to a "cure" as you'll ever see for viruses.

But yeah, as that article explains, Ivermectin has been used for over 30 years to treat several ailments in Humans. Whether it's safe for Humans has been proven to be solely a matter of dosage. This isn't even the first time Ivermectin has been used to treat viral ailments in Humans. Calling it "animal worming medicine"... well... people who call it that look like illiterate morons.

 

[JahaRa]

There's two main approaches to treating a disease. 1: "cure" it... which... is largely inapplicable to viruses. 2: treat symptoms to prevent it from causing problems.

To my understanding, Ivermectin was in category 2. IE, if you were sick it'd reduce the severity of the illness.

oh in a strange coincidence someone literally just sent me a link to this document explaining it:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...f1ynZsituEJAWhO-NZTW9UJFxzNusWTQxDEqn1yHNQXHw

Hunh, I was wrong, apparently Ivermectin can reduce the rate at which viruses reproduce, thus allowing your body to kill them off with an immune response faster. So... it's about as close to a "cure" as you'll ever see for viruses.

But yeah, as that article explains, Ivermectin has been used for over 30 years to treat several ailments in Humans. Whether it's safe for Humans has been proven to be solely a matter of dosage. This isn't even the first time Ivermectin has been used to treat viral ailments in Humans. Calling it "animal worming medicine"... well... people who call it that look like illiterate morons.

In the U.S. it is rarely used for humans. It was developed for humans, to be used in Africa to kill parasites. That is what it is designed for and what it does, it kills parasites. It is not a remedy to alleviate symptoms of any virus. It is like the pharma companies re-naming a drug that was supposed to help people with heart problems and selling it to old men who were impotent. Guess what the side effects of viagra are? Hardening of the artreries and high cholsesterol. And guess what the most common side effect for men using staten drugs, impotence. It is win/win for the pharma companies and lose/lose for everyone else.

 

[marhawkman]

In the U.S. it is rarely used for humans. It was developed for humans, to be used in Africa to kill parasites. That is what it is designed for and what it does, it kills parasites. It is not a remedy to alleviate symptoms of any virus. It is like the pharma companies re-naming a drug that was supposed to help people with heart problems and selling it to old men who were impotent. Guess what the side effects of viagra are? Hardening of the artreries and high cholsesterol. And guess what the most common side effect for men using staten drugs, impotence. It is win/win for the pharma companies and lose/lose for everyone else.

Did you read the article? Because, yes, actually, it does interfere with the replication of some viruses.

 

[JahaRa]

Did you read the article? Because, yes, actually, it does interfere with the replication of some viruses.

I read it and I think the samples are too small to make any announcement of effectiveness. I looked at the references and found them interesting but not conclusive. It just seems like more grasping at money by pharma companies to me.

 

[marhawkman]

I read it and I think the samples are too small to make any announcement of effectiveness. I looked at the references and found them interesting but not conclusive. It just seems like more grasping at money by pharma companies to me.

Well it's been tested many times as an anti-viral agents and it does work as one.... against certain viruses. The only real question is if it works against COVID-19.

As for "big pharma".... who do you think is selling Covid-19 vaccines?

 

[blessmycottonsocks]

President Biden's initiated 90-day enquiry into whether the pandemic's origins were natural or in a lab has delivered "inconclusive" results.
Following deep suspicion of the motives behind the WHO's initial report, it appears that they will carry out a second investigation now.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/27/us-report-covid-origins-pandemic-virus-covid

 

[kamalktk]

"Anti-vaccine radio host dies from Covid" is basically a daily occurrence in the US recently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Valentine#COVID-19_skepticism,_subsequent_illness_and_death

"Valentine had questioned the need of vaccinations on his radio program. As part of this, he wrote and performed a comedy song, "Vaxman", a parody of the 1966 Beatles' song "Taxman", altering the lyrics to criticise vaccination initiatives. His song included the lines:

"Let me tell you how it will be, and I don’t care if you agree, Cause I’m the Vaxman, yeah I’m the Vaxman. If you don’t like me coming round, be thankful I don’t hold you down.”

CNN reported that he had compared vaccination status badges worn by medical workers with the yellow badges German Jews were forced to wear by the Nazis.

On December 17, 2020, Valentine blogged that he believed his own chance of dying from COVID-19 was "probably way less than one percent." On July 11, 2021, Valentine acknowledged he had COVID-19 and bragged that it would not be a problem, admitting he might take a day off from his radio show merely as a "precaution." On July 23, he was hospitalized in serious condition, which later turned critical. After contracting the virus, he regretted not being more vehemently ‘pro-vaccine’, according to his radio station. On July 28, he was placed on a ventilatorto focus on treating his lungs. On August 1, it was reported that his family would keep him alive on an ECMO machine. He died on August 21."

https://www.thewrap.com/dick-farrel-anti-vax-radio-host-dies-covid/

"Dick Farrel, a longtime conservative radio host from West Palm Beach, Florida, who was a vocal opponent of the coronavirus vaccine and vehement critic of Dr. Anthony Fauci, died Aug. 4 of complications from COVID-19, according to WPTV. He was 65.

After calling Fauci a “power-tripping lying freak” and urging people not to get vaccinated as recently as June, Farrel changed his tune after contracting the virus himself and entering the hospital roughly three weeks ago."

See what I mean...

https://news.yahoo.com/anti-vax-radio-host-marc-070556812.html

"Longtime WNDB radio host Marc Bernier, an outspoken critic of COVID-19 vaccinations, has died from COVID-19 after a three-week hospital stay, the Daytona Beach News Journal reported."

 

[michael59]

See what I mean...

https://news.yahoo.com/anti-vax-radio-host-marc-070556812.html

"Longtime WNDB radio host Marc Bernier, an outspoken critic of COVID-19 vaccinations, has died from COVID-19 after a three-week hospital stay, the Daytona Beach News Journal reported."

Exactly what do you mean, fluffy teddy? Do you mean the radio hosts were wrong? Or do you believe that people who have "influence" and speak against vaccination are being targeted and given covid 19 somehow without them knowing so that they will have a near death experience and shut the hell up or actually die and therefore have been silence?

 

[kamalktk]

Exactly what do you mean, fluffy teddy? Do you mean the radio hosts were wrong? Or do you believe that people who have "influence" and speak against vaccination are being targeted and given covid 19 somehow without them knowing so that they will have a near death experience and shut the hell up or actually die and therefore have been silence?

""Anti-vaccine radio host dies from Covid" is basically a daily occurrence in the US recently." from my own post I was quoting. Yet another anti-vaccine radio host has died from Covid, this is the fourth I'm aware of in the past couple of weeks.

 

[marhawkman]

""Anti-vaccine radio host dies from Covid" is basically a daily occurrence in the US recently." from my own post I was quoting. Yet another anti-vaccine radio host has died from Covid, this is the fourth I'm aware of in the past couple of weeks.

I suspect reporting bias. IE people report ALL of them. It seems like a lot but only because the deaths of public radio hosts aren't normally news worthy, and also because similar reporting of pro-vaxx deaths isn't done.

One thing that I do have to think of as a "conspiracy" though... the sheer amount of suppression of public discussion of the pandemic. Certain powers that be want to label anyone who disagrees with their line a "denier" and promote their position as the "scientifically valid" one. That is extremely worrying to me. And your observation is part of it. Biased reporting of deaths is part of it because "haha one of our enemies died, see we were right!" really makes my "nope" reflex go into overdrive.

Then there's stuff like corporate censorship of discussion that's been labeled "misinformation"... when in some cases it's actually true. Like that thing the CDC came out with this summer about how one of the tests they'd been using to detect Covid really wasn't working right.... and the creator of the test had previously said so on twitter... and got banned from using twitter for it. The ... #1... subject matter expert.... got banned for "spreading misinformation" about his own work? Whiskey.... tango... foxtrot.....

 

[Naughty_Felid]

Exactly what do you mean, fluffy teddy? Do you mean the radio hosts were wrong? Or do you believe that people who have "influence" and speak against vaccination are being targeted and given covid 19 somehow without them knowing so that they will have a near death experience and shut the hell up or actually die and therefore have been silence?

wow

 

[michael59]

wow

It is difficult to express myself in type so I am going to try again. What I meant was that Kamalkik was saying," see what I mean..."

I was not sure. People who are anti-vaxer's have been villanized by reporting when/if they get covid 19 and also when/if they die from it. The tone of the report is something to the effect of "They regret it now, don't they?" And this is a conspiracy thread, so I wanted to make sure I understood where Kamalkik was coming from.

 

[Naughty_Felid]

It is difficult to express myself in type so I am going to try again. What I meant was that Kamalkik was saying," see what I mean..."

I was not sure. People who are anti-vaxer's have been villanized by reporting when/if they get covid 19 and also when/if they die from it. The tone of the report is something to the effect of "They regret it now, don't they?" And this is a conspiracy thread, so I wanted to make sure I understood where Kamalkik was coming from.

So are you pointing out there is a conspiracy theory to infect anti-vaxxers with COVID to shut them up?

I don't think you really need to go around Bulgarian secret service-style and jab people with the virus to silence them.

Not taking the vaccine and hanging around in crowds, (which seems a popular pastime with Ant-Vaxxers), would seem to be sufficient.

 

[michael59]

So are you pointing out there is a conspiracy theory to infect anti-vaxxers with COVID to shut them up?

I don't think you really need to go around Bulgarian secret service-style and jab people with the virus to silence them.

Not taking the vaccine and hanging around in crowds, (which seems a popular pastime with Ant-Vaxxers), would seem to be sufficient.

So are you pointing out there is a conspiracy theory to infect anti-vaxxers with COVID to shut them up?

Yes, that is one of the conspiracy theories out there, those who have any public influence are being pushed to the top of the "page" if they speak out against the covid 19 vaccine and then contract the virus and pass away. Not just radio personalities. I can't remember most offhand, but I do remember that a catholic cardinal just received the same "glowing" report as the radio personalities when he spoke out and then contracted the virus and died from it.

Those who are vaccinated and contract the covid 19 virus and still die from it anyway are being downplayed and in some cases even eliminated/erased from the internet. I remember posting about just such a case involving the, NBC Nightly News reporting that 25,000 vaccinated people still contracted the virus, with 1400 of those very same people dying from it and that report being hidden. on this forum recently.

I don't think you really need to go around Bulgarian secret service-style and jab people with the virus to silence them.

A person does not need to be jabbed to become infected with covid 19 virus. There are plenty of other ways that are naked to the eye, to come in contact, contract and become fatally ill from it.

Not taking the vaccine and hanging around in crowds, (which seems a popular pastime with Ant-Vaxxers), would seem to be sufficient.

You make a valid point here, but it is pretty difficult, nay, damn near impossible to be a public influence if you don't face the public to make the very point you are trying to get across.

You also validate my point about the conspiracy theory taking hold of the public by turning against anti-vaxer's and villanizing them for being selfish and putting everyone around them in jeopardy. So, in theory what they are doing is working.

Most anti-vaxer's do follow the restriction rules by social distancing, washing hands and self isolating if you come in contact with the virus.

I did and still do.

 

[Naughty_Felid]

Yes, that is one of the conspiracy theories out there, those who have any public influence are being pushed to the top of the "page" if they speak out against the covid 19 vaccine and then contract the virus and pass away. Not just radio personalities. I can't remember most offhand, but I do remember that a catholic cardinal just received the same "glowing" report as the radio personalities when he spoke out and then contracted the virus and died from it.

Those who are vaccinated and contract the covid 19 virus and still die from it anyway are being downplayed and in some cases even eliminated/erased from the internet. I remember posting about just such a case involving the, NBC Nightly News reporting that 25,000 vaccinated people still contracted the virus, with 1400 of those very same people dying from it and that report being hidden. on this forum recently.



A person does not need to be jabbed to become infected with covid 19 virus. There are plenty of other ways that are naked to the eye, to come in contact, contract and become fatally ill from it.



You make a valid point here, but it is pretty difficult, nay, damn near impossible to be a public influence if you don't face the public to make the very point you are trying to get across.

You also validate my point about the conspiracy theory taking hold of the public by turning against anti-vaxer's and villanizing them for being selfish and putting everyone around them in jeopardy. So, in theory what they are doing is working.

Most anti-vaxer's do follow the restriction rules by social distancing, washing hands and self isolating if you come in contact with the virus.

I did and still do.

It's not a conspiracy theory, most of us who support the vaccine just get fed up by people who don't and flout wearing masks, etc. This isn't something that has slowly been inserted into my brain via the TV or the internet. I fully supported the vaccine when it was first proposed.

I've worked with public health scientists as well as having close relatives who were scientists as well as being married to a former scientist so grasping the need for a vaccine as well as the need for PPE was a no-brainer.

I understand that even though I may be vaccinated I might still get COVID. Nothing is foolproof, there are many, many stories and articles in the media stating this fact - I also know that medication has side effects too. Again us pro-science folks tend to use critical thinking so we understand that there are risks.

I've seen pictures of my scientist-relatives and my wife when she was a scientist in their workplaces, and they never wore one-piece black jumpsuits or worked in some huge underground bunker. I try and put my trust in people who have studied this their whole careers, rather than a bloke who's a pastor of some random church or a disc jockey who's trying to keep his listener figures up by being controversial.

So why do you fundamentally not trust people who have dedicated their entire lives to try and preserve yours?