Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): Conspiracy Theories & Claims

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I find it hard to believe that Robert Malone is credited with inventing mRNA technology as I am related to a researcher who has been working with mRNA technology since the 80's. Never heard of Robert Malone until the conspiracy theory he is claimed to have presented. I did not search him online nor watch any of his videos, I was just asking about a conspiracy I heard that seemed to fit on this thread.

I don't take what you said personal, I was asking, you answered. I know anti-vaxxers would not want to hear what my cousin says either. And he knows more about it than anyone I know personally. Honestly, I don't like what the people working with mRNA technology say, and I think even now it is early days, but I am not an anti-vaxer, just someone who does their own research and thinks about things. I did work for doctors and know what kind of shenanigans the pharmaceutical companies pull as well, which colors my opinions.

How much does your cousin know about this?

Breaking: WHO Behind FDA Scheme to Skip All Future Clinical Trials for COVID Vaccines​


The “Future Framework” is coming from the World Health Organization, and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is the biggest voluntary contributor to the WHO, so Gates is likely directing the play.

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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) tomorrow, June 28, will vote on the “Future Framework,” a scheme that would allow Pfizer and Moderna to “reformulate” COVID-19 mRNA vaccines in perpetuity, without conducting clinical trials on the new vaccines.
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Moderna, Pfizer and Novavax are all developing reformulated COVID-19 shots. But they know that the FDA is not going to look at health outcomes so they are going to great lengths to jack up the antibody response. Pfizer tested a double-strength dose (60 mcg of mRNA instead of 30 mcg) even though they had previously ruled out a higher dose because of safety concerns. So the antibody levels are through the roof.

But the VRBPAC admitted on April 6 that there are no known correlates of protection (meaning: antibody levels do not tell you who will be immune) so these antibody measures are medically meaningless. Sane people realize that if you turbo charge the immune response, you may also turbo charge adverse events. But the “Future Framework” allows pharmaceutical companies to skip clinical trials altogether.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/who-fda-gates-future-framework-covid-vaccines/
 

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Aol is another good one for banning people constantly for speaking their mind. If you do not go along with their particular agenda, you're off, happens every day.
Censorship.
AOL still exists?
 

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How much does your cousin know about this?

Breaking: WHO Behind FDA Scheme to Skip All Future Clinical Trials for COVID Vaccines​


The “Future Framework” is coming from the World Health Organization, and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is the biggest voluntary contributor to the WHO, so Gates is likely directing the play.

(Excerpts)

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) tomorrow, June 28, will vote on the “Future Framework,” a scheme that would allow Pfizer and Moderna to “reformulate” COVID-19 mRNA vaccines in perpetuity, without conducting clinical trials on the new vaccines.
_____________________________

Moderna, Pfizer and Novavax are all developing reformulated COVID-19 shots. But they know that the FDA is not going to look at health outcomes so they are going to great lengths to jack up the antibody response. Pfizer tested a double-strength dose (60 mcg of mRNA instead of 30 mcg) even though they had previously ruled out a higher dose because of safety concerns. So the antibody levels are through the roof.

But the VRBPAC admitted on April 6 that there are no known correlates of protection (meaning: antibody levels do not tell you who will be immune) so these antibody measures are medically meaningless. Sane people realize that if you turbo charge the immune response, you may also turbo charge adverse events. But the “Future Framework” allows pharmaceutical companies to skip clinical trials altogether.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/who-fda-gates-future-framework-covid-vaccines/
Do you understand how a flu vaccine is created each year for the best guess of the next mutation? At this point the covid vaccine is or should be treated the same as the flu vaccine. If people weren't so ignorant about how vaccines work we wouldn't have all this silly conspiracy and fear mongering. Covid is not going away any more than the flu is going away, so get used to an annual vaccine. It will still take a few years (as it did with the flu vaccine in the 70's) to get the kinks out. I don't have to ask my cousin about this, it is common sense and the way things are done for a virus that mutates. They have a handle on how to get the immune system to create the antibodies so they just have to stay on top of the mutations and possible mutations. That article is just fear mongering.
 

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Do you understand how a flu vaccine is created each year for the best guess of the next mutation? At this point the covid vaccine is or should be treated the same as the flu vaccine. If people weren't so ignorant about how vaccines work we wouldn't have all this silly conspiracy and fear mongering. Covid is not going away any more than the flu is going away, so get used to an annual vaccine. It will still take a few years (as it did with the flu vaccine in the 70's) to get the kinks out. I don't have to ask my cousin about this, it is common sense and the way things are done for a virus that mutates. They have a handle on how to get the immune system to create the antibodies so they just have to stay on top of the mutations and possible mutations. That article is just fear mongering.

My body, my choice.
 

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I find it hard to believe that Robert Malone is credited with inventing mRNA technology as I am related to a researcher who has been working with mRNA technology since the 80's. Never heard of Robert Malone until the conspiracy theory he is claimed to have presented. I did not search him online nor watch any of his videos, I was just asking about a conspiracy I heard that seemed to fit on this thread.

I don't take what you said personal, I was asking, you answered. I know anti-vaxxers would not want to hear what my cousin says either. And he knows more about it than anyone I know personally. Honestly, I don't like what the people working with mRNA technology say, and I think even now it is early days, but I am not an anti-vaxer, just someone who does their own research and thinks about things. I did work for doctors and know what kind of shenanigans the pharmaceutical companies pull as well, which colors my opinions.
Robert Malone holds the patents for the mRNA technology. All leading experts in his field and other related scientific fields also say the same. Even Mike Yeadon, ex chief medical officer for Pfizer, says the same. Wikipedia did also until just after the pandemic started when his entry mysteriously changed.

There obviously would have been research before the finished product. Maybe it was that research that your cousin worked on.

The terms 'Anti Vaxer', 'conspiracy theorist' is a media created term of character assassination of anyone who doesn't agree with the narrative. They have created an image in the minds of most people of some nerd hunched over a computer at 2am scouring the internet for anything that agrees with their deluded thinking.

All the 'Anti Vaxers' I have met have not been anything like that and usually have the view of 'do your own research' which most will not do because if they did they would come across top level scientists, etc, like Robert Malone, Delores Cahill and so on, on BitChute or Odysee, etc.
 

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Do you understand how a flu vaccine is created each year for the best guess of the next mutation? At this point the covid vaccine is or should be treated the same as the flu vaccine. If people weren't so ignorant about how vaccines work we wouldn't have all this silly conspiracy and fear mongering. Covid is not going away any more than the flu is going away, so get used to an annual vaccine. It will still take a few years (as it did with the flu vaccine in the 70's) to get the kinks out. I don't have to ask my cousin about this, it is common sense and the way things are done for a virus that mutates. They have a handle on how to get the immune system to create the antibodies so they just have to stay on top of the mutations and possible mutations. That article is just fear mongering.

You're right. The covid vaccine should be treated the same as the flu vaccine. I choose not to get the flu vaccine every year. My body, my choice.

This is not fear mongering. There are 500,000+ people on the list waiting to be compensated for damages or death of loved ones due to the covid vaccine, in the UK alone.
 

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With regard to Robert Malone:

It is Dr. Katalin Karikó and her collaborator Dr. Drew Weissman who are more commonly credited with laying the groundwork for mRNA vaccines. In 1989, Malone published a paper titled "Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection." While Malone's research may have been important, scientific breakthroughs don't always boast a sole "inventor." Instead, they come about through the work of many.
https://www.logically.ai/articles/who-is-dr.-robert-malone

Also :

Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines.
https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa223rd
 

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Nearly all youth in England had COVID-19 antibodies by March 2022. Implications for vaccine policies?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...
27 June 2022 Results from Round 3 (3rd March to 25th March 2022) Schools Infection Survey Antibodies in secondary school pupils N = 884 99.3% of had SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, comprised of 64.9% who were vaccinated, and 34.4% who were unvaccinated.
Antibodies in primary school pupils N = 884 82.0% had SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, comprised of 0.4% who were vaccinated, and 81.6% who were unvaccinated. Schools Infection Survey
https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/covid... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...
The pupil antibody test used in Oral fluid collection Lower sensitivity than blood antibody tests, (estimated at 80.0%) for unvaccinated pupils. Immunoglobulins in oral fluids are at least 1 per 1,000th of blood Pupils were tested for Anti-N (antibodies from natural infection), and anti-S (antibodies from natural infection or vaccination) Comparisons between Round 1, Round 2 and Round 3 Round 1 (10th November to 10th December) Primary, 40.1% Secondary, 82.4% Round 2 (10th January to 3rd February) Primary, 62.4% Secondary, 96.6% Round 3, (3rd March to 25th March 2022) Primary, 82% Secondary, 99.3% Antibody testing in Round 3 Coronavirus cases in England were increasing Omicron BA.1 variant times UK infections
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...
Week ending 18 June 2022 Likely caused by Omicron variants BA.4 and BA.5. 1,360,600 (1 in 40 people) in England 68,500 (1 in 45 people) in Wales 59,900 (1 in 30 people) in Northern Ireland 250,700 (1 in 20 people) in Scotland Deaths Coronavirus, 6th sixth leading cause of death in England and Wales 3.3% of deaths in both countries In April 2022, COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death. Causes of death, UK
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...
Dementia and Alzheimer’s Ischaemic heart disease Cerebrovascular disease Chronic lower respiratory disease Cancer, trachea, bronchus, lung Influenza and pneumonia Ill-defined conditions Cancer, colorectal Cancer, lymphoid, haemopoietic Deaths in the US
https://www.healthline.com/health/lea...
Heart disease, 23.1% Cancer, 21.7% Accidents, (unintentional) 5.9% Chronic lower respiratory diseases, 5.6% Stroke, 5.18% Alzheimer’s 4.23% Diabetes, 2.9% Influenza and pneumonia, 1.88% Kidney disease, 1.8% Suicide, 1.64% Septicemia, 1.42% Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis, 1.39%


Antibodies in 99.1% of Youth
 

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What is your source? I can only see figures of 500-1000 from various newspapers in the UK, all from February this year.

I already listed the source. Have you read through this thread or are you just another argument looking for a place to happen?

 

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Majority of COVID-19 Deaths Among Australia NSW Residents are Triple & Quadruple Vaccinated

Despite 95%+ full vaccination of adult populations in Australia, TrialSite has continued to report on surges in new COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. It is a disturbing situation that the mainstream press either completely ignores or summarily embraces as a context to promote further vaccination as the only answer. But is this an evidence-based approach to the problem? TrialSite reported that in the first 14 weeks of 2022, Australian fatalities due to COVID-19 were double that of 2020 and 2021 combined, despite near universal vaccination. By January 2022, TrialSite updated the global audience that in Australian states including New South Wales or “NSW,” the new increasingly Omicron-based cases were surging. TrialSite reviewed the latest data. Now, with a surge in B.4 and B.5 Omicron subvariants which more evade vaccine induced antibodies, a disturbing number of deaths are reported daily. What’s the level of protection the vaccines are affording to the population of NSW now that these subvariants circulate through this southeastern part of Australia?

Majority Covid-19 Deaths in new South Wales are
 
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With regard to Robert Malone:

It is Dr. Katalin Karikó and her collaborator Dr. Drew Weissman who are more commonly credited with laying the groundwork for mRNA vaccines. In 1989, Malone published a paper titled "Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection." While Malone's research may have been important, scientific breakthroughs don't always boast a sole "inventor." Instead, they come about through the work of many.
https://www.logically.ai/articles/who-is-dr.-robert-malone

Also :

Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines.
https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa223rd
I agree that there is always research and ground work before any invention. There has to be otherwise nothing would get to be invented. Robert Malone does, however, hold the patents. Regardless though he does know what he's talking about and had called for the mRNA vaccination program to be halted at least until a full assessment of vaccine damage/safety had been done. He is not an 'anti vaxer' as he is a scientist who does research into vaccines and is in favour of the MMR, etc.
 

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I already listed the source. Have you read through this thread or are you just another argument looking for a place to happen?


You personally have made seventy-seven posts on this thread; it's not preposterous for a fellow poster to have missed a reference.

Please assume good faith unless and until the opposite is clearly apparent.
 

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“When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals.” - Edward Snowden​

This video is only 8:28 minutes long and in my opinion worth every second of your time. Dr. Kelly Victory is a emergency medical disaster specialist.

There was an unexpected 40% increase in 'all cause deaths' in 2021​

 

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As far as I can tell, she's doing nothing more than spin-doctoring the excess mortality figures for 2020 and 2021 analyzed and released earlier this year. Excess mortality is calculated in relation to preceding years' statistics and represents the cumulative / overall increase in deaths during a particular timeframe (typically the period of a medical crisis such as the pandemic).

The timing, the figures, etc., seem to correlate between the few specifics she mentions and the publicly-available excess mortality stats.

Perhaps most importantly, one must bear in mind these "all cause" statistics include deaths directly attributed to COVID-19 as well as deaths attributed to underlying / pre-existing conditions aggravated to lethality by COVID-19 infections.

See, for example:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.23.22274192v3
 

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Robert Malone holds the patents for the mRNA technology. All leading experts in his field and other related scientific fields also say the same. Even Mike Yeadon, ex chief medical officer for Pfizer, says the same. Wikipedia did also until just after the pandemic started when his entry mysteriously changed.

There obviously would have been research before the finished product. Maybe it was that research that your cousin worked on.

The terms 'Anti Vaxer', 'conspiracy theorist' is a media created term of character assassination of anyone who doesn't agree with the narrative. They have created an image in the minds of most people of some nerd hunched over a computer at 2am scouring the internet for anything that agrees with their deluded thinking.

All the 'Anti Vaxers' I have met have not been anything like that and usually have the view of 'do your own research' which most will not do because if they did they would come across top level scientists, etc, like Robert Malone, Delores Cahill and so on, on BitChute or Odysee, etc.
I have met a couple who read a book before the 2020 election saying that the virus was a hoax perpetrated by the democrats so that Trump will loose the election. They still believe that in 2022. So no, not all people who are against vaccines think everyone should do their own research. You are lucky to know people that actually know "anti vaxxers" who do research, but I question what research they are actually doing if they allow themselves to be labeled "anti vaxxers".
 

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As far as I can tell, she's doing nothing more than spin-doctoring the excess mortality figures for 2020 and 2021 analyzed and released earlier this year. Excess mortality is calculated in relation to preceding years' statistics and represents the cumulative / overall increase in deaths during a particular timeframe (typically the period of a medical crisis such as the pandemic).

The timing, the figures, etc., seem to correlate between the few specifics she mentions and the publicly-available excess mortality stats.

Perhaps most importantly, one must bear in mind these "all cause" statistics include deaths directly attributed to COVID-19 as well as deaths attributed to underlying / pre-existing conditions aggravated to lethality by COVID-19 infections.

See, for example:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.23.22274192v3

I feel like we watched different video clips, EnolaGaia. I do not agree that this is spin doctoring. She is not the only doctor trying to report on this, but she is an expert and she is saying it needs to be looked at not swept under and hidden by media platforms when mentioned.

Dr. Victory was one of the first doctors to mention that the covid virus came from a lab after looking at it under a microscope. She could tell because of the enhancements done to the covid virus that could only have come from a lab. Dr. Victory and many virologists were shut down on all their media accounts trying to get that info out fairly early on in the covid crises.

What about Dr. John Campbell who is saying that the excess deaths he is talking about in the video below are not covid related.



Excerpts from above video of Dr. John Campbell

Why are people dying more than normal? UK, excess deaths https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022...

Hundreds more people than usual are dying each week in England and Wales Not from Covid https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...

Covid deaths, UK
w/e 24 June, 346
w/e 17 June, 309

Total deaths registered in the UK 12,278 15.9% above the five-year average Latest breakdown, (England and Wales)
Excess deaths = 1,540
Covid deaths, 285 58.2% of this 285 gave covid as the underlying cause

So, 166 from covid 119 with covid Non covid excess deaths, 1,540 – 166 = 1,374 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...

England and Wales data
(5 years up to 2019)

England and Wale, 16.6%
Wales, 18.2%

Where excess deaths occurred
(above the five-year average)

Private homes, 31.5% above
Hospitals, 12.1% above
Care homes, 10.3% above
Other settings, 10.1% above

Health experts call for urgent investigation
Pandemic response
Lockdown and restrictions stress
Reduced physical activity
Lack of access to healthcare
Delayer referrals for diagnosis and treatment
Cost of living crisis People whose health was / is weakened by covid
Known increase risk of stroke and heart attacks
Vaccination
Increasing autoimmune disease
New medications used as covid treatments

Prof Paul Hunter, University of East Anglia I think the reality is going to be quite complex but it’s something we do need to be aware of and actually try and understand. There is despair from your livelihood disappearing up the swanny. It doesn’t have to lead to suicide, chronic stress can lead to all sorts of problems.

Dr Charles Levinson, DoctorCall The reasons behind these horrific numbers are complicated and none of us fully understand them, so that is exactly why there should be an urgent and comprehensive Government inquiry.

If anything, the situation seems to be worsening.

Considering the relentless focus on one virus for more than two years, requesting answers from Government on thousands and thousands of non-Covid excess deaths is entirely reasonable.

User guide to mortality data https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...
 

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https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/

Articles like this are hard to find now, being written in 2016 way before pandemic. And it's this kind of article that put me off the vaccine. How can they claim safe and effective from the start, with no long term risk assessment.

As stated in the article -

Delivery — actually getting RNA into cells — has long bedeviled the whole field. On their own, RNA molecules have a hard time reaching their targets. They work better if they’re wrapped up in a delivery mechanism, such as nanoparticles made of lipids. But those nanoparticles can lead to dangerous side effects, especially if a patient has to take repeated doses over months or years.

And this - “I would say that mRNA is better suited for diseases where treatment for short duration is sufficiently curative, so the toxicities caused by delivery materials are less likely to occur,” said Katalin Karikó, a pioneer in the field who serves as a vice president at BioNTech.

I don't believe the extreme conspiracy theories, but I do think some are based in fact.
There was a post somewhere years back I saw that said "the pharmaceutical companies don't want you to get better, because if you did, how would they make money"
 

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https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/

Articles like this are hard to find now, being written in 2016 way before pandemic. And it's this kind of article that put me off the vaccine. How can they claim safe and effective from the start, with no long term risk assessment.

As stated in the article -

Delivery — actually getting RNA into cells — has long bedeviled the whole field. On their own, RNA molecules have a hard time reaching their targets. They work better if they’re wrapped up in a delivery mechanism, such as nanoparticles made of lipids. But those nanoparticles can lead to dangerous side effects, especially if a patient has to take repeated doses over months or years.

And this - “I would say that mRNA is better suited for diseases where treatment for short duration is sufficiently curative, so the toxicities caused by delivery materials are less likely to occur,” said Katalin Karikó, a pioneer in the field who serves as a vice president at BioNTech.

I don't believe the extreme conspiracy theories, but I do think some are based in fact.
There was a post somewhere years back I saw that said "the pharmaceutical companies don't want you to get better, because if you did, how would they make money"
One of the most "real" supervillain dialogues ever came from the early part of Superman: Doomsday. Lex Luthor is in his office at Lex Corp reading reports from his staff. One is from a research team that has found a cure for some disease. Lex reads over their research data and writes a memo for them to tinker with the dosage amounts until they can make the medicine a lifelong treatment that the patient will have to keep taking for life or maybe die. It's very... "real" in a way most super-villainy isn't.
 

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This video is only 8:28 minutes long and in my opinion worth every second of your time. Dr. Kelly Victory is a emergency medical disaster specialist.

There was an unexpected 40% increase in 'all cause deaths' in 2021​

For the last few years, I have heard discussions here of exactly this - that this virus, and specifically the vaccines for it, are damaging to our future health. And that we will not know the full extent of all this damage until years into the future.
The extremists are saying that we are being weakened and vulnerable to all sorts of health problems - heart attacks, cancer, etc.
And some people with health professionals in their family are insisting this is true.
I don't know what to think, except that power is evil.
 

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Wonder if any studies have been done on that 'Spanish Flu' of 1918, which killed millions, and supposedly lasted for 2 years and had 4 separate waves before it was finished, as to lasting effects?
And there have been so many others, such as the 'bird flu' and I recall the 'swine flu' as well. Why was this one so dangerous?
If it is a man-made disease, such as this one supposedly is, does that make a difference?

Wikipedia has a whole write-up on the 'Spanish Flu', with a whole variety of information:

"The 1918 influenza pandemic, commonly known by the misnomer Spanish flu or as the Great Influenza epidemic, was an exceptionally deadly global influenza pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. The earliest documented case was March 1918 in Kansas, United States, with further cases recorded in France, Germany and the United Kingdom in April. Two years later, nearly a third of the global population, or an estimated 500 million people, had been infected in four successive waves. Estimates of deaths range from 17 million to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it the second deadliest pandemic in human history after the Black Death bubonic plague of 1346–1353.

The pandemic broke out near the end of World War I, when wartime censors suppressed bad news in the belligerent countries to maintain morale, but newspapers freely reported the outbreak in neutral Spain, creating a false impression of Spain as the epicenter and leading to the "Spanish flu" misnomer.[6] Limited historical epidemiological data make the pandemic's geographic origin indeterminate, with competing hypotheses on the initial spread.[2]

The 1918 Spanish flu was the first of three flu pandemics caused by H1N1 influenza A virus; the most recent one was the 2009 swine flu pandemic.[14][15] The 1977 Russian flu was also caused by H1N1 virus.[14][16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
 
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