COVID-19 (Wuhan Coronavirus): The Disease & Its Spread (Per Se)

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Todays (16/6/20) NHS England 'new deaths' figures released.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Todays figures and notable statistics;
79 reported 'new' deaths today;
2 different Trusts each report the highest number of 'new' deaths, 5.
The oldest death reported today is from Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust from March 26th (12 weeks ago!)
There are only 45 trusts/facilities that have reported 'new' deaths today.
172 of the 217 trusts/facilities today have reported 0 new deaths (that is 80%)
11 'new' deaths are over a week old.

Monday this week (yesterday) showing X - however, as the daily figure is communicated to NHS England at 5pm each day the total for the whole of yesterday is not complete.

Todays deaths by age group;
0-19 = 0
20-39 = 3
40-59 = 4
60-78 = 30
80+ = 42

Below I show my running totals for;
Existing deaths + New deaths = New totals (If no 'new' to add then no calculation has been entered)
(since Thursday April 2nd, the date I started logging the numbers officially released).

T 812
F 617
S 1110 (Saturday April 4th)
S 1096
M 942
T 811
W 897
T 784
F 739
S 777 (April 11th)
S 718
M 698
T 648
W 685
T 634
F 610
S 569 (April 18th)
S 530
M 564
T 484
W 501
T 450
F 438
S 389 (April 25th)
S 381
M 342
T 341
W 322
T 311
F 304
S 267 (May 2nd)
S 250
M 259
T 250
W 264
T 255
F 210
S 202 (May 9th)
S 195
M 165
T 183
W 156+1=157
T 166
F 162
S 166 (May 16th)
S 137
M 154
T 142
W 152
T 147
F 121
S 128 (May 23rd)
S 112+1=113
M 135
T 137
W 118+1=119
T 121
F 110+2=112
S 89 (May 30th)
S 79
M 92+1=93
T 105+1=106
W 104
T 80
F 79
S 77+1=78 (June 6th)
S 73
M 63
T 58+2=60
W 62+3=65
T 41+2=43
F 34+4=38
S 15+11=26 (June 13th)
S 6+37=43
M ---------------11

(Figures supplied by NHS England date back to the beginning of March when the UK recorded it's first day with more than 50 deaths.
The figures released daily include deaths from the day on which they happened, so can be from any previous day NOT from just within the past 24 hours)
 

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Well this has gone down like a cup of covid-laced cold sick...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340371

The new Covid-19 cases in New Zealand are two women who flew in from the United Kingdom and traveled to Wellington to grieve the sudden passing of their parent, director general of health Ashley Bloomfield says

One of the woman had mild symptoms after arriving in Auckland, but it was put down to a pre-existing condition so the women were placed in managed isolation rather than quarantine.

Seems like the ball was well a truly dropped. No surprise from the British end of things, a bit piss-poor from the kiwi end of things. This really fucking sucks.
possible the women picked up the infection in the UK, in airports or on their flights.

The women, one in her 30s and one in her 40s, arrived in New Zealand together on June 7 on a flight from the UK via Doha and Brisbane.

They were permitted on compassionate grounds to leave managed isolation to travel to Wellington via private vehicle, which a relative dropped at their hotel, on June 13.

And from the same story in the guardian

Their trip was an approved exemption from the mandatory isolation period for new arrivals to the country in order to visit a dying parent. The women had “done everything right” and had not put other members of the public at risk, said Ashley Bloomfield, New Zealand’s director-general of health, on Tuesday....

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The pair had made the drive of approximately eight hours without refuelling their vehicle or disembarking for any reason, including to use public toilets, he said.


“They had no contact with anybody else during that trip,” added Bloomfield.

He was “not nervous” that the women had infected anyone else, adding that they would now remain in self-isolation with a relative in Wellington.


Yeah. There's no going back to 'normal' if we want to keep this at bay.
 

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While the idea of "immunological dark matter" is very unspecific, I too wonder what role genetics and geography play in how fast and fierce the irus has spread in certain countries. Population density is obviously a factor. Are Germans more genetically resistant to this? Is the diet and lifestyle of the average Brit making them more susceptible to the virus? What role, if any, does the weather play? Could island living make us more susceptible to respitory illness? Or the quality of ventilation in homes? (This is something I have marvelled at now that I moved elsewhere and understand how poorly ventilated homes in the UK are.)
But doesn’t Japan have a higher population number and density than U.K.? And deaths in the hundreds not the thousands...
 

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But doesn’t Japan have a higher population number and density than U.K.? And deaths in the hundreds not the thousands...
Japan is a bit of a mystery.

Even accounting for Korea-Japan rivalry, there have been reports here that the Japanese themselves are very suspicious of government figures that don't seem to match their personal experiences.
 

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possible the women picked up the infection in the UK, in airports or on their flights.

The women, one in her 30s and one in her 40s, arrived in New Zealand together on June 7 on a flight from the UK via Doha and Brisbane.

They were permitted on compassionate grounds to leave managed isolation to travel to Wellington via private vehicle, which a relative dropped at their hotel, on June 13.


And from the same story in the guardian

Their trip was an approved exemption from the mandatory isolation period for new arrivals to the country in order to visit a dying parent. The women had “done everything right” and had not put other members of the public at risk, said Ashley Bloomfield, New Zealand’s director-general of health, on Tuesday....

....
The pair had made the drive of approximately eight hours without refuelling their vehicle or disembarking for any reason, including to use public toilets, he said.


“They had no contact with anybody else during that trip,” added Bloomfield.

He was “not nervous” that the women had infected anyone else, adding that they would now remain in self-isolation with a relative in Wellington.



Yeah. There's no going back to 'normal' if we want to keep this at bay.
So the two women had already been in NZ for 10 days?
Certainly does sound like they may have been exposed to the virus either on the flight or at Auckland or Wellington airports.
 

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Todays (17/6/20) NHS England 'new deaths' figures released.

I have noticed today that the wording of the statement regarding the collection of the data has changed.
It now includes the phrase, "The total announced file is updated daily and contains information on the deaths of patients
who have died in hospitals in England and either tested positive for COVID-19,
or where no positive test result was received for COVID-19, but COVID-19 was mentioned on their death certificate"

So they have confessed to including deaths as C19 even if no positive test has been done.
Disgraceful.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Todays figures and notable statistics;
77 reported 'new' deaths today;
Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust (again) reports the highest number of 'new' deaths, 7, and all from Jun 5th - Jun 11th (maybe somebody was off).
The oldest death reported today is from Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust from March 29th (12 weeks ago!)
There are only 42 trusts/facilities that have reported 'new' deaths today.
175 of the 217 trusts/facilities today have reported 0 new deaths (that is 81%)
21 'new' deaths are over a week old.

Tuesday this week (yesterday) showing 8 - however, as the daily figure is communicated to NHS England at 5pm each day the total for the whole of yesterday is not complete.

Todays deaths by age group;
0-19 = 0
20-39 = 1
40-59 = 1
60-78 = 26
80+ = 49

Below I show my running totals for;
Existing deaths + New deaths = New totals (If no 'new' to add then no calculation has been entered)
(since Thursday April 2nd, the date I started logging the numbers officially released).

T 812
F 617
S 1110 (Saturday April 4th)
S 1096
M 942
T 811
W 897
T 784
F 739
S 777 (April 11th)
S 718
M 698
T 648
W 685
T 634
F 610
S 569 (April 18th)
S 530
M 564
T 484
W 501
T 450
F 438
S 389 (April 25th)
S 381
M 342
T 341
W 322
T 311
F 304
S 267 (May 2nd)
S 250
M 259
T 250
W 264+2=266
T 255
F 210+1=211
S 202 (May 9th)
S 195
M 165
T 183
W 157
T 166
F 162
S 166 (May 16th)
S 137
M 154
T 142+1=143
W 152
T 147
F 121
S 128 (May 23rd)
S 113+1=114
M 135
T 137
W 119+1=120
T 121+1=122
F 112+3=115
S 89 (May 30th)
S 79+1=80
M 93
T 106+1=107
W 104+1=105
T 80
F 79+2=81
S 78+1=79 (June 6th)
S 73
M 63+2=65
T 60
W 65+2=67
T 43+2=45
F 38+5=43
S 26+9=35 (June 13th)
S 43+4=47
M 11+28=39
T -----------------------8

(Figures supplied by NHS England date back to the beginning of March when the UK recorded it's first day with more than 50 deaths.
The figures released daily include deaths from the day on which they happened, so can be from any previous day NOT from just within the past 24 hours)
 

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It would appear Sweden just passed the 5000 dead mark. Though wether that is from covid or with covid is a different matter.
 

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The annoying thing about the inaccurate figures is that when people are trying to work out what went wrong for tackling future outbreaks, they may get misled.
 

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But doesn’t Japan have a higher population number and density than U.K.? And deaths in the hundreds not the thousands...
The thing about the UK numbers is that there is strong evidence that hospitals were discharging elderly people to care homes with the inevitable consequences, its actually quite scandalous
 

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So the two women had already been in NZ for 10 days?
Certainly does sound like they may have been exposed to the virus either on the flight or at Auckland or Wellington airports.
Twenty-four hours on a plane/planes – recycled air and loads of surfaces to touch; what could possibly go wrong? Plus, they apparently stopped briefly with a relative en route to the hotel, necessitating contacting 320 people. The NZ premier, Jacinda Ardern, is not happy with the failure of the quarantine.

But that's how you quash the virus, with contact tracing and real leadership.
 

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Twenty-four hours on a plane/planes – recycled air and loads of surfaces to touch; what could possibly go wrong? Plus, they apparently stopped briefly with a relative en route to the hotel, necessitating contacting 320 people. The NZ premier, Jacinda Ardern, is not happy with the failure of the quarantine.

But that's how you quash the virus, with contact tracing and real leadership.
And a tiny population in a remotely isolated country of course!
 

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And a tiny population in a remotely isolated country of course!
True, but what of Japan – much bigger pop than us and sub-1000 deaths (though possibly under-reported), or Germany? Or South Korea? Or Hong Kong? Or Taiwan? We are, of course, also an island and could easily have stopped flights/ships coming in much, much earlier. Earlier, stricter lockdown, working (rather than 'world-leading') trace and contact systems – eg as used in South Korea, Taiwan, New Zealand, Germany. Then you can ease the lockdown sooner and with fewer deaths and with some degree of planning, eg New Zealand, South Korea etc.

This isn't just hindsight. Like a lot of other people I know, I locked down well in advance of the UK's government announcement.
 

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"what of Japan – much bigger pop than us"

Bigger overall population, but a population density lower than England's.
But Japan does seem to be something of an outlier. They smoke like chimneys, but don't seem to get lung cancer.

"or Germany? "

They locked down just 24 hours before the UK.
Can't see that making a vast difference.

Must be other factors at play here. Possibly genetic or cultural.
 

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Japan also has a large proportion of old people. It must be due to that pesky dark matter.
 

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Japan also has a large proportion of old people. It must be due to that pesky dark matter.
No-one really knows.

Look at the Netherlands and Belgium. Two neighbouring countries with genetically very similar populations and broadly comparable population densities. The Netherlands has had proportionally far fewer deaths though.
I believe The Netherlands had a less draconian lockdown than many European states though - including the UK, and yet got off fairly lightly.

There doesn't seem to be much of a coherent pattern emerging yet,
 

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The thing about the UK numbers is that there is strong evidence that hospitals were discharging elderly people to care homes with the inevitable consequences, its actually quite scandalous
Absolutely agree. We can’t be political here but elsewhere some politicians need tearing new ones.
 

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Twenty-four hours on a plane/planes – recycled air and loads of surfaces to touch; what could possibly go wrong? Plus, they apparently stopped briefly with a relative en route to the hotel, necessitating contacting 320 people. The NZ premier, Jacinda Ardern, is not happy with the failure of the quarantine.

But that's how you quash the virus, with contact tracing and real leadership.
I know two people personally , who flew whilst they were already infected. One’s symptoms hadn’t started yet. The other thought they had flu because at the time we were being told there was hardly anyone with it in the UK...
 

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Todays (18/6/20) NHS England 'new deaths' figures released.

The wording of the statement regarding the collection of the data now includes the phrase,
"The total announced file is updated daily and contains information on the deaths of patients
who have died in hospitals in England and either tested positive for COVID-19,
or where no positive test result was received for COVID-19, but COVID-19 was mentioned on their death certificate"

So the data includes deaths as with C19 even if no positive test has been done.
Disgraceful.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Todays figures and notable statistics;
62 reported 'new' deaths today;
Two diffeent NHS Trusts report the highest number of 'new' deaths, 4.
The oldest death reported today is from Liverpool University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust from April 7th (10 weeks ago!)
There are only 44 trusts/facilities that have reported 'new' deaths today.
173 of the 217 trusts/facilities today have reported 0 new deaths (that is 80%)
9 'new' deaths are over a week old.

Wednesday this week (yesterday) showing 13, which are provided by just 11 trusts - however, as the daily figure is communicated to NHS England at 5pm each day the total for the whole of yesterday is not complete.

Todays deaths by age group;
0-19 = 1
20-39 = 2
40-59 = 9
60-78 = 20
80+ = 30

Below I show my running totals for;
Existing deaths + New deaths = New totals (If no 'new' to add then no calculation has been entered)
(since Thursday April 2nd, the date I started logging the numbers officially released).

T 812
F 617
S 1110 (Saturday April 4th)
S 1096
M 942
T 811+1=812
W 897
T 784
F 739
S 777 (April 11th)
S 718
M 698
T 648
W 685
T 634+1=635
F 610
S 569 (April 18th)
S 530
M 564+1=565
T 484
W 501
T 450
F 438
S 389 (April 25th)
S 381
M 342
T 341
W 322
T 311
F 304
S 267 (May 2nd)
S 250
M 259
T 250
W 266
T 255
F 211
S 202 (May 9th)
S 195
M 165
T 183
W 157
T 166
F 162
S 166 (May 16th)
S 137
M 154
T 143
W 152
T 147
F 121
S 128 (May 23rd)
S 114
M 135
T 137
W 120
T 122
F 115+1=116
S 89 (May 30th)
S 80+1=81
M 93
T 107
W 105
T 80
F 81+1=82
S 79+1=80 (June 6th)
S 73+1=74
M 65
T 60
W 67
T 45+1=46
F 43+2=45
S 35+2=37 (June 13th)
S 47+3=50
M 39+6=45
T 8+27=35
W -----------13

(Figures supplied by NHS England date back to the beginning of March when the UK recorded it's first day with more than 50 deaths.
The figures released daily include deaths from the day on which they happened, so can be from any previous day NOT from just within the past 24 hours)
 

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But doesn’t Japan have a higher population number and density than U.K.? And deaths in the hundreds not the thousands...
Warning for a RingoRant© :

It may also have to do with just general poor hygiene in the UK. Let's face it, we wouldn't win any medals for hand washing would we? I've yet to be in a pub which has hot water and soap and a working hand drier. Cold water and no soap is about right for local, working class pubs.

Generally, and maybe a little OT but when I think back to my growing up in the UK I am a little disgusted by the poor hygiene. No men washed their hands after peeing in pubs. In my modern childhood home (built in the 1982) the toilet was in it's own seperate room - there was no sink or bath in that room. You did your business, switched off the light by a pull-cord (now contaminated) and went into the bathroom. On with the pull-cord light there (and contaminating that) before washing your hands and then turning off the light again, contaminating your clean hands again.

I remember growing up that "sickness and diarrhoea" was just an accepted thing that everyone got all of the time (not must myt family but as a community - friends at school and relatives etc). I speak to my family in the UK on a regular basis and still it seems that someone (child or adult) always has a bad stomach or the runs.

Don't get me started on carpets. Maybe that's it?! In Japan they have wooden floors and they take their shoes off. In the UK we drag the dust, shit, piss and vomit of the streets through the house, grinding it into the carpets. Then the kids play on the carpet and we wonder why they have the shits.

As I saw on Instagram...

When I was a kid I thought we'd have flying cars by 2020.
But here we are teaching people how to wash their hands.
 

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Warning for a RingoRant© :

It may also have to do with just general poor hygiene in the UK. Let's face it, we wouldn't win any medals for hand washing would we? I've yet to be in a pub which has hot water and soap and a working hand drier. Cold water and no soap is about right for local, working class pubs.

Generally, and maybe a little OT but when I think back to my growing up in the UK I am a little disgusted by the poor hygiene. No men washed their hands after peeing in pubs. In my modern childhood home (built in the 1982) the toilet was in it's own seperate room - there was no sink or bath in that room. You did your business, switched off the light by a pull-cord (now contaminated) and went into the bathroom. On with the pull-cord light there (and contaminating that) before washing your hands and then turning off the light again, contaminating your clean hands again.

I remember growing up that "sickness and diarrhoea" was just an accepted thing that everyone got all of the time (not must myt family but as a community - friends at school and relatives etc). I speak to my family in the UK on a regular basis and still it seems that someone (child or adult) always has a bad stomach or the runs.

Don't get me started on carpets. Maybe that's it?! In Japan they have wooden floors and they take their shoes off. In the UK we drag the dust, shit, piss and vomit of the streets through the house, grinding it into the carpets. Then the kids play on the carpet and we wonder why they have the shits.

As I saw on Instagram...

When I was a kid I thought we'd have flying cars by 2020.
But here we are teaching people how to wash their hands.
This is one of the reasons I've carried hand sanitiser for years – I was so ahead of the curve! Also because if I'm out on the bike and I need to answer a nature call, I do like to clean my hands afterwards, especially as I'll be eating at some point.

I think it's now become the norm for men to wash their hands after going to the toilet (always has been for me); it's occasionally commented on at work when somebody doesn't. If this virus does one positive thing, I'm hoping that better hand hygiene will be it. British Cycling – the organisation, hence the cap letters – and Team Sky were ridiculed for their obsessiveness, which extended to sanitising hands after using door handles, taking their own mattresses and bedding from hotel to hotel in their aim to reduce the chances of infection etc etc. Seems like good sense to me, as athletes' immune systems can be vulnerable: "After strenuous exercise, athletes enter a brief period of time in which they experience weakened immune resistance and are more susceptible to viral and bacterial infections."

And I'm with you on carpets. If you've ever used a carpet-cleaning machine, the colour of the water that you end up with is horrible! On the extension we had built a few years ago we have vinyl floors, though the rest of the house is carpeted. I'd have wood floors (and no flippin' wallpaper...) everywhere!

Stay healthy!
 

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as athletes' immune systems can be vulnerable: "After strenuous exercise, athletes enter a brief period of time in which they experience weakened immune resistance and are more susceptible to viral and bacterial infections."
If this is the case why aren't people doing heavy manual work dying like flies.????
 

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I'd have wood floors (and no flippin' wallpaper...) everywhere!
No you woodn't (sic). You just find yourself permanently looking at dust since it doesn't seem to ever be possible to get them clean. Yes the carpets will have dust too but at least it isn't in your face all the time. Plus they can get slippery. Plus they are cold. Plus you can end up living downstairs from someone who has them and listening to them slamming back and forth on them in their high heels constantly, even though you politely ask them not to. I hate them. Tracking dirt onto them from outside is easily avoided by taking your shoes off at the door.

Also you do need a little dirt in your life to stimulate your immune system. Note I do mean a little. Not washing your hands after you've been to the toilet is disgusting.
 

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Warning for a RingoRant© :

It may also have to do with just general poor hygiene in the UK. Let's face it, we wouldn't win any medals for hand washing would we? I've yet to be in a pub which has hot water and soap and a working hand drier. Cold water and no soap is about right for local, working class pubs.

Generally, and maybe a little OT but when I think back to my growing up in the UK I am a little disgusted by the poor hygiene. No men washed their hands after peeing in pubs. In my modern childhood home (built in the 1982) the toilet was in it's own seperate room - there was no sink or bath in that room. You did your business, switched off the light by a pull-cord (now contaminated) and went into the bathroom. On with the pull-cord light there (and contaminating that) before washing your hands and then turning off the light again, contaminating your clean hands again.

I remember growing up that "sickness and diarrhoea" was just an accepted thing that everyone got all of the time (not must myt family but as a community - friends at school and relatives etc). I speak to my family in the UK on a regular basis and still it seems that someone (child or adult) always has a bad stomach or the runs.

Don't get me started on carpets. Maybe that's it?! In Japan they have wooden floors and they take their shoes off. In the UK we drag the dust, shit, piss and vomit of the streets through the house, grinding it into the carpets. Then the kids play on the carpet and we wonder why they have the shits.

As I saw on Instagram...

When I was a kid I thought we'd have flying cars by 2020.
But here we are teaching people how to wash their hands.
And the least hygienic people in Europe?
Apparently it's the Dutch:

https://dutchreview.com/news/hands-...hies-wash-their-hands-after-using-the-toilet/
 

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No you woodn't (sic). You just find yourself permanently looking at dust since it doesn't seem to ever be possible to get them clean. Yes the carpets will have dust too but at least it isn't in your face all the time. Plus they can get slippery. Plus they are cold. Plus you can end up living downstairs from someone who has them and listening to them slamming back and forth on them in their high heels constantly, even though you politely ask them not to. I hate them. Tracking dirt onto them from outside is easily avoided by taking your shoes off at the door.

Also you do need a little dirt in your life to stimulate your immune system. Note I do mean a little. Not washing your hands after you've been to the toilet is disgusting.
My wife says exactly that re our vinyl floor – a pattern she/we thought wouldn't show dirt, but we were wrong. And before anybody says anything, we split household duties – I do most of the cooking, she does most of the cleaning; we split the clothes washing (loads of it is my cycling kit so some washes are nowt but Lycra!) and I do no ironing. At all. But as I live in shorts and T-shirts this isn't a major issue!
 
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