COVID-19 (Wuhan Coronavirus): The Disease & Its Spread (Per Se)

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It's so depressing constantly hearing that this whole thing has been shite and we certain posters know better - no you don't. You didn't work it. Armchair-expert crap that is just so god awful.

You are undoing your lockdown - Rejoice in this-- this is what you wanted.

I'm dreading the next waves.

People who haven't had a holiday, (I'm talking more than 3 days off in a row), for months and months who face having their leave revoked again anytime it hits again. Most essential workers laughed at those stuck indoors - whinging.

Articles on how to tackle boredom - laughable.

People have no idea - it was a very strange world to work in and not many on here did it. Swifty, obviously, and a couple of others that you could guess at.
It does seem to be a self-centredness, but it's more, it's a strange determination not to see what used to be called common sense (as @Swifty calls it) because everyone who now believes that kind of thing are sheeple or whatever. It's the same kind of logic that demands to know why rich footballers aren't paying for school meals for impoverished children. The world doesn't work like that, it's more complicated.
 

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What amazes me is, we have a major pandemic and billions spent of research yet it appears we know very little about the virus
Not really, when you consider how, as a society, we have to be told how to wash our hands and not to cough sneeze over supermarket produce.
 

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Having watched a lot of news last year, I’m firmly of the belief that the way forward is to buy a loudhailer and shout at the virus to make it go away.
 

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Do you remember those moments in the film JAWS when chief Brody is being diligent and honest with his residents of Amity and argues at every turn that it's not safe for people to go back in the water yet but that Mayor is more concerned with the local economy instead so tells them it's safe for them to go back into the sea again? .. that's what this feels like to us who've been working through it. It's very frustrating .. like the two clustered together groups of people I saw together today who I know for a fact aren't related ..

Fortunately (but this might not be enough), the vast majority are still observing the rules despite what the government is now advising.
The thing is, the economy and the virus are not two separate things. If we tank the economy of the Western world then the average lifespan will get shortened. Not mine, of course, on the basis the good ones go first I will be living to a hundred :)
 

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Do you remember those moments in the film JAWS when chief Brody is being diligent and honest with his residents of Amity and argues at every turn that it's not safe for people to go back in the water yet but that Mayor is more concerned with the local economy instead so tells them it's safe for them to go back into the sea again? .. that's what this feels like to us who've been working through it. It's very frustrating .. like the two clustered together groups of people I saw together today who I know for a fact aren't related ..

Fortunately (but this might not be enough), the vast majority are still observing the rules despite what the government is now advising.
The mayor in Jaws was being blackmailed by the Mafia and they were telling him it had to be business as normal as they had dodgy land deals going on.
 

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Not in the film. In the film a very realistic and reasonable case was made for all the local businessmen, not just the mayor, not wanting to hear about it. The mayor, beautifully acted by Carl Gottlieb , who also was one of the writers, was simply delusional.
 

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Todays (21/6/20) NHS England 'new deaths' figures released.

The total is 26.
7 of which happened yesterday.


The wording of the statement regarding the collection of the data now includes the phrase,
"The total announced file is updated daily and contains information on the deaths of patients
who have died in hospitals in England and either tested positive for COVID-19,
or where no positive test result was received for COVID-19, but COVID-19 was mentioned on their death certificate"

So the data includes deaths as with C19 even if no positive test has been done.
Disgraceful.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Todays figures and notable statistics;
26 reported 'new' deaths today;
No site reported more than 3 'new' deaths.
The oldest death reported today is one from Buckinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust from June 9th.
There are only 19 trusts/facilities that have reported 'new' deaths today.
198 of the 217 trusts/facilities today have reported 0 new deaths (that is 91%)
1 'new' death is over a week old.
Saturday this week (yesterday) showing 7, however, as the daily figure is communicated to NHS England at 5pm each day the total for the whole of yesterday is not complete.

Todays deaths by age group;
0-19 = 0
20-39 = 0
40-59 = 0
60-78 = 5
80+ = 21

Below I show my running totals for;
Existing deaths + New deaths = New totals (If no 'new' to add then no calculation has been entered)
(since Thursday April 2nd, the date I started logging the numbers officially released).

T 812
F 617
S 1110 (Saturday April 4th)
S 1096
M 942
T 812
W 897
T 784
F 739
S 779 (April 11th)
S 718
M 698
T 648
W 685
T 635
F 610
S 569 (April 18th)
S 530
M 565
T 484
W 501
T 450
F 438
S 389 (April 25th)
S 381
M 342
T 341
W 322
T 311
F 304
S 268 (May 2nd)
S 250
M 259
T 250
W 266
T 255
F 211
S 202 (May 9th)
S 195
M 166
T 183
W 157
T 166
F 162
S 166 (May 16th)
S 137
M 154
T 143
W 152
T 148
F 121
S 128 (May 23rd)
S 114
M 135
T 137
W 120
T 122
F 116
S 91 (May 30th)
S 81
M 93
T 107
W 106
T 82
F 82
S 80 (June 6th)
S 75
M 66
T 62+1=63
W 71
T 48
F 47
S 38 (June 13th)
S 55
M 50
T 50
W 42
T 34+2=36
F 6+16=22
S -----------7

(Figures supplied by NHS England date back to the beginning of March when the UK recorded it's first day with more than 50 deaths.
The figures released daily include deaths from the day on which they happened, so can be from any previous day NOT from just within the past 24 hours)
 

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Medical experts continue to warn against overly-optimistic characterizations of the current state of the pandemic ...
2nd wave of virus cases? Experts say we’re still in the 1st

What’s all this talk about a “second wave” of U.S. coronavirus cases?

In The Wall Street Journal last week, Vice President Mike Pence wrote in a piece headlined “There Isn’t a Coronavirus ‘Second Wave’” that the nation is winning the fight against the virus.

Many public health experts, however, suggest it’s no time to celebrate. About 120,000 Americans have died from the new virus and daily counts of new cases in the U.S. are the highest they’ve been in more than a month, driven by alarming recent increases in the South and West. ...

But there is at least one point of agreement: “Second wave” is probably the wrong term to describe what’s happening. ...

“When you have 20,000-plus infections per day, how can you talk about a second wave?” said Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health. “We’re in the first wave. Let’s get out of the first wave before you have a second wave.” ...
FULL STORY: https://apnews.com/f401d034122b820a89773432cbf51152
 

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The COVID-19 news is dominated by the daily (etc.) statistics. I don't believe curtailing data sourcing is a reasonable way to make the numbers look better, even if keeping up appearances were a worthy goal in the first place ...
Trump suggests US slow virus testing to avoid bad statistics

President Donald Trump said Saturday he’s asked his administration to slow down coronavirus testing because robust testing turns up too many cases of COVID-19.

Trump told supporters at his campaign rally that the U.S. has tested 25 million people, far more than any other country. The “bad part,” Trump said, is that widespread testing leads to logging more cases of the virus.

“When you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases,” Trump said. “So I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please.’ They test and they test.” ...
FULL STORY: https://apnews.com/476068bd60e9048303b736e9d7fc6572
 

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The COVID-19 news is dominated by the daily (etc.) statistics. I don't believe curtailing data sourcing is a reasonable way to make the numbers look better, even if keeping up appearances were a worthy goal in the first place ...


FULL STORY: https://apnews.com/476068bd60e9048303b736e9d7fc6572
He later backtracked in the face of criticism & said he was joking. That's the Don for you. Can't believe a word the man says one way or the other.
 

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Todays (22/6/20) NHS England 'new deaths' figures released.

The 'headline total' number for 'new deaths' today is only 20, only 3 of which were from within the past 24 hours.

The wording of the statement regarding the collection of the data now includes the phrase,
"The total announced file is updated daily and contains information on the deaths of patients
who have died in hospitals in England and either tested positive for COVID-19,
or where no positive test result was received for COVID-19, but COVID-19 was mentioned on their death certificate"

So the data includes deaths as 'with C19' even if no positive test has been done.
Disgraceful.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Todays figures and notable statistics;
20 reported 'new' deaths today;
No site reported more than 3 'new' deaths.
The oldest death reported today is one from North Cumbria Integrated Care NHS Foundation Trust from May 18th (Over a month ago)
There are only 12 trusts/facilities that have reported 'new' deaths today.
205 of the 217 trusts/facilities today have reported 0 new deaths (that is 95%)
3 'new' deaths are over a week old.
Sunday this week (yesterday) showing 3, however, as the daily figure is communicated to NHS England at 5pm each day the total for the whole of yesterday is not complete.

Todays deaths by age group;
0-19 = 0
20-39 = 0
40-59 = 1
60-78 = 7
80+ = 12

Below I show my running totals for;
Existing deaths + New deaths = New totals (If no 'new' to add then no calculation has been entered)
(since Thursday April 2nd, the date I started logging the numbers officially released).

T 812
F 617
S 1110 (Saturday April 4th)
S 1096
M 942
T 812
W 897
T 784
F 739
S 779 (April 11th)
S 718
M 698
T 648
W 685
T 635
F 610
S 569 (April 18th)
S 530
M 565
T 484
W 501
T 450
F 438
S 389 (April 25th)
S 381
M 342
T 341
W 322
T 311
F 304
S 268 (May 2nd)
S 250
M 259
T 250
W 266
T 255
F 211
S 202 (May 9th)
S 195
M 166
T 183
W 157
T 166
F 162
S 166 (May 16th)
S 137
M 154+1=155
T 143
W 152+1=153
T 148
F 121
S 128 (May 23rd)
S 114+1=115
M 135
T 137
W 120
T 122
F 116
S 91 (May 30th)
S 81
M 93
T 107
W 106
T 82
F 82
S 80 (June 6th)
S 75
M 66
T 63
W 71
T 48
F 47
S 38 (June 13th)
S 55
M 50
T 50
W 42
T 36
F 22+3=25
S 7+11=18 (June 20th)
S ------------3

(Figures supplied by NHS England date back to the beginning of March when the UK recorded it's first day with more than 50 deaths.
The figures released daily include deaths from the day on which they happened, so can be from any previous day NOT from just within the past 24 hours)
 

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I come off furlough tomorrow for 3 days per week (Tue, Wed, Thur) so I will not be able to provide the daily updated figures that I have been doing until early evening on those days. That's assuming that there are figures to update on, as it seems that 'new deaths' have all but vanished.
 

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Todays (23/6/20) NHS England 'new deaths' figures released.

The wording of the statement regarding the collection of the data now includes the phrase,
"The total announced file is updated daily and contains information on the deaths of patients
who have died in hospitals in England and either tested positive for COVID-19,
or where no positive test result was received for COVID-19, but COVID-19 was mentioned on their death certificate"

So the data includes deaths as 'with C19' even if no positive test has been done.
Disgraceful.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Todays figures and notable statistics;
46 reported 'new' deaths today;
No site reported more than 4 'new' deaths.
The oldest death reported today is one from North Cumbria Integrated Care NHS Foundation Trust (again) from May 14th (Over a month ago)
There are only 34 trusts/facilities that have reported 'new' deaths today.
183 of the 217 trusts/facilities today have reported 0 new deaths (that is 84%)
4 'new' deaths are over a week old.
Monday this week (yesterday) showing 6, however, as the daily figure is communicated to NHS England at 5pm each day the total for the whole of yesterday is not complete.

Todays deaths by age group;
0-19 = 0
20-39 = 0
40-59 = 2
60-78 = 15
80+ = 29

Below I show my running totals for;
Existing deaths + New deaths = New totals (If no 'new' to add then no calculation has been entered)
(since Thursday April 2nd, the date I started logging the numbers officially released).

T 812
F 617
S 1110 (Saturday April 4th)
S 1096
M 942
T 812
W 897
T 784
F 739
S 779 (April 11th)
S 718
M 698
T 648
W 685
T 635
F 610
S 569 (April 18th)
S 530
M 565
T 484
W 501
T 450
F 438
S 389 (April 25th)
S 381
M 342
T 341
W 322
T 311
F 304
S 268 (May 2nd)
S 250
M 259
T 250
W 266
T 255+1=256
F 211
S 202 (May 9th)
S 195
M 166
T 183
W 157
T 166
F 162
S 166 (May 16th)
S 137
M 155
T 143
W 153
T 148
F 121
S 128 (May 23rd)
S 115
M 135
T 137
W 120
T 122
F 116
S 91 (May 30th)
S 81
M 93
T 107+1=108
W 106
T 82
F 82
S 80 (June 6th)
S 75
M 66
T 63
W 71
T 48
F 47
S 38 (June 13th)
S 55
M 50+1=51
T 50+1=51
W 42+1=43
T 36+4=40
F 25+5=30
S 18+12=30 (June 20th)
S 3+14=17
M ---------------6

(Figures supplied by NHS England date back to the beginning of March when the UK recorded it's first day with more than 50 deaths.
The figures released daily include deaths from the day on which they happened, so can be from any previous day NOT from just within the past 24 hours)
 

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Todays (24/6/20) NHS England 'new deaths' figures released.

The wording of the statement regarding the collection of the data now includes the phrase,
"The total announced file is updated daily and contains information on the deaths of patients
who have died in hospitals in England and either tested positive for COVID-19,
or where no positive test result was received for COVID-19, but COVID-19 was mentioned on their death certificate"

So the data includes deaths as 'with C19' even if no positive test has been done.
Disgraceful.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Todays figures and notable statistics;
51 reported 'new' deaths today;
Northampton General Hospital NHS Trust reported the most 'new' deaths. with 7
The oldest death reported today is one from Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust (again) from June 7th.
There are only 28 trusts/facilities that have reported 'new' deaths today.
189 of the 217 trusts/facilities today have reported 0 new deaths (that is 87%)
2 'new' deaths are over a week old.
Tuesday this week (yesterday) showing 4, however, as the daily figure is communicated to NHS England at 5pm each day the total for the whole of yesterday is not complete.

Todays deaths by age group;
0-19 = 0
20-39 = 0
40-59 = 6
60-78 = 16
80+ = 29

Below I show my running totals for;
Existing deaths + New deaths = New totals (If no 'new' to add then no calculation has been entered)
(since Thursday April 2nd, the date I started logging the numbers officially released).

T 812
F 617
S 1110 (Saturday April 4th)
S 1096
M 942
T 812
W 897
T 784
F 739
S 779 (April 11th)
S 718
M 698
T 648
W 685
T 635
F 610
S 569 (April 18th)
S 530
M 565
T 484
W 501
T 450
F 438
S 389 (April 25th)
S 381
M 342
T 341
W 322
T 311
F 304
S 268 (May 2nd)
S 250
M 259
T 250
W 266
T 255+1=256
F 211
S 202 (May 9th)
S 195
M 166
T 183
W 157
T 166
F 162
S 166 (May 16th)
S 137
M 155
T 143
W 153
T 148
F 121
S 128 (May 23rd)
S 115
M 135
T 137
W 120
T 122
F 116
S 91 (May 30th)
S 81
M 93
T 108
W 106
T 82
F 82
S 80 (June 6th)
S 75+1=76
M 66
T 63
W 71
T 48
F 47
S 38 (June 13th)
S 55
M 51
T 51
W 43+1=44
T 40+2=42
F 30+6=36
S 30+6=36 (June 20th)
S 17+13=30
M 6+18=24
T ---------------4

(Figures supplied by NHS England date back to the beginning of March when the UK recorded it's first day with more than 50 deaths.
The figures released daily include deaths from the day on which they happened, so can be from any previous day NOT from just within the past 24 hours)
 

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vaccine-professor-oxford-university-says-vaccine-cannot-be-tested-due-to-lack-of-cases

So- because (theoretically) the lockdown has been so successful, this vaccine Professor believes there's not really any chance of genuinely proving whether any vaccine actually works. Plus it states in the article that the expected best-case effectiveness of any form of tested candidate vaccine is only ever around 10%

Therefore, to summarise:
  • we are faced with the vaccine being something which they have >not< yet developed (although there are eg 13 concurrent UK versions being worked upon);
  • each version of which will (or could, by their own definitions) fail nine times out of ten;
  • and, cannot now ever be tested within the country of its intended use, due to the purported success of the lockdown.

And yet Prof Whitty is also now saying that without an effective vaccine, "we should be looking at elements of lockdown and control continuing or increasing until this time next year at the earliest"

However: at least they've got football back on the telly, and people can get back out where they belong (which is, obviously, the golf course).

None. Of this. Makes sense.
 

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The proven best way of gaining immunity to a virus is to be infected by it and surviving.
This is why there used to be 'chicken pox parties', so that all the kids could catch it early cos it's a nasty pox virus, but even worse for you if you don't catch it until adulthood.
Then you don't catch it again. You might get a similar virus, like 'shingles' or any one of a number of Herpes virus, but none of them are going to be as nasty as chicken pox.
So now we have SARS-Cov-2, (covid-19), which is a coronavirus. All previous influenzas are a coronavirus of various sorts too. I think the common cold is also a collection of different coronavirus (Edit - Yes it is)
(Edit. Coronaviruses are different to Influenza. See the report referred to in the further post a little bit later on)
However, all coronavirus mutate, so being infected by a coronavirus doesn't make you immune to new mutated coronavirus.
Which is why covid-19 has been 'pencilled in' as a NKOTB bad virus. It's a 'new' coronavirus. (Guess what - every few years a 'new' coronavirus comes along - it is usually ignored as a 'seasonal flu', and so could this one have been, but thats a story for later in the year when the 2020 'excess deaths' tally is known).

'They' say that "Having had covid-19 doesn't give you immunity".
A vaccine is produced by engineering a form of the virus which you want to get protection from so that it tricks the body into producing the antibodies associated with a full infection, thus giving you immunity.
So the question is.......if "Having had covid-19 doesn't give you immunity", then why are 'they' bothering to produce a vaccine at all? It seems rather pointless.
IMO the position needs clarifying as "Having had covid-19 doesn't give you immunity to all coronaviruses".
When the older generation are encouraged to have 'flu shots each year, this is basically vaccination against known coronaviruses. EDIT 'Known influenza viruses'.
Each year the vaccination is added to with new mutations discovered in previous years. I expect that next year, or the year after, the yearly 'jab' for the old folk will include the latest Covid-19 too. (EDIT - possibly, possibly not, depends on whether there is sufficient need to incorporate a vaccine for C19 with a vaccine for influenza).
 
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Todays (25/6/20) NHS England 'new deaths' figures released.

The wording of the statement regarding the collection of the data now includes the phrase,
"The total announced file is updated daily and contains information on the deaths of patients
who have died in hospitals in England and either tested positive for COVID-19,
or where no positive test result was received for COVID-19, but COVID-19 was mentioned on their death certificate"

So the data includes deaths as 'with C19' even if no positive test has been done.
Disgraceful.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Todays figures and notable statistics;
55 reported 'new' deaths today;
No Trust has reported more than 4 'new' deaths.
The oldest death reported today is one from Barts Health NHS Trust fromApril 2nd (12 weeks ago)
There are only 26 trusts/facilities that have reported 'new' deaths today.
191 of the 217 trusts/facilities today have reported 0 new deaths (that is 88%)
5 'new' deaths are over a week old.
Wednesday this week (yesterday) showing 6, however, as the daily figure is communicated to NHS England at 5pm each day the total for the whole of yesterday is not complete.

Todays deaths by age group;
0-19 = 0
20-39 = 0
40-59 = 3
60-78 = 21
80+ = 31

Below I show my running totals for;
Existing deaths + New deaths = New totals (If no 'new' to add then no calculation has been entered)
(since Thursday April 2nd, the date I started logging the numbers officially released).

T 812+1=813
F 617
S 1110 (Saturday April 4th)
S 1096
M 942
T 812
W 897
T 784
F 739
S 779 (April 11th)
S 718
M 698
T 648
W 685
T 635
F 610
S 569 (April 18th)
S 530
M 565
T 484
W 501
T 450
F 438
S 389 (April 25th)
S 381
M 342
T 341
W 322
T 311
F 304
S 268 (May 2nd)
S 250
M 259
T 250
W 266
T 256
F 211
S 202 (May 9th)
S 195
M 166
T 183
W 157
T 166
F 162
S 166 (May 16th)
S 137
M 155
T 143
W 153
T 148
F 121
S 128 (May 23rd)
S 115
M 135
T 137
W 120
T 122
F 116
S 91 (May 30th)
S 81
M 93
T 108
W 106
T 82
F 82
S 80 (June 6th)
S 76
M 66
T 63
W 71
T 48
F 47+1=48
S 38 (June 13th)
S 55
M 51
T 51
W 44
T 42+3=45
F 36+2=38
S 36+3=39 (June 20th)
S 30+1=31
M 24+13=37
T 4+25=29
W -----------6

(Figures supplied by NHS England date back to the beginning of March when the UK recorded it's first day with more than 50 deaths.
The figures released daily include deaths from the day on which they happened, so can be from any previous day NOT from just within the past 24 hours)
 

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They' say that "Having had covid-19 doesn't give you immunity".
A vaccine is produced by engineering a form of the virus which you want to get protection from so that it tricks the body into producing the antibodies associated with a full infection, thus giving you immunity.
So the question is.......if "Having had covid-19 doesn't give you immunity", then why are 'they' bothering to produce a vaccine at all? It seems rather pointless.
It is pointless ... but it's enough to satisfy 'the herd' that the government is doing something. Pretend to be proactive even if you're not.
 

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All previous influenzas are a coronavirus of various sorts too.
Influenza is not a coronavirus.
Which is why covid-19 has been 'pencilled in' as a NKOTB bad virus. It's a 'new' coronavirus. (Guess what - every few years a 'new' coronavirus comes along - it is usually ignored as a 'seasonal flu', and so could this one have been, but thats a story for later in the year when the 2020 'excess deaths' tally is known).
We already know excess deaths so far as they are widely reported.

They' say that "Having had covid-19 doesn't give you immunity".
"They" don't say that. "They" just don't know yet. It is not the same thing.
 

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Had no seriously bite my tongue today when I saw an ex co worker who tried to calmly explain to me how there is no threat about CV-19 .. because of the numbers he's learned off the internet .. he had no idea about the green and yellow zone measures in Norwich's main hospital .. or that many wards had Diamond shaped cardboard warning signs taped to the windows of the entrance doors ..

He's been in lockdown so it's been Netflix or facebook for him for the past 4 months .. ffs .. now he's back and he knows the score apparently .. him and 'Karen from facebook' ..
 

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Influenza is not a coronavirus.
Indeed. Sorry I averred incorrectly.
http://www.labnews.co.uk/article/2030503/coronavirus-is-it-just-a-type-of-flu

"....There are at least 7 coronavirus species known to infect humans. Two, namely Human Coronavirus 229E (HCoV-229E) Human Coronavirus OC43 ( HCoV-OC43), were identified in the 1960s and between them they are thought to account for 25% of all common colds. "

And so on.
A very interesting report actually which I would not have read had it not been for your interjection Min.
Thanks.
(previous post edited to reflect)
 
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