Crop Circles

To Conclude.

I have never stated that it is not possible to make Crop Circles by hand,on the contrary some human life form is doing it.

But it seems that the whole C.C. scene is going in one direction,strictly:COMMERCIAL:

Lets see now,we have :Books,Video's,T-shirts,Postcards,Calendars and now we are on the verge of going Hollywood. I heard that the crew from New Zeeland helped out with the special crop affects,there are 3 of them(they got paid well).

With the advent of the film :Signs: you will be able to sit back at you'r local cinema and go OO! and Ah! look at that and finely C.C will be lost in the fantasy world of Hollywood,it may even get an Oscar.

So is it with life on Planet Earth.

Meanwhile the powers that be will go on slowly grinding there cogs and getting into everything(even you'r D.N.A.)

And as the German minister of justice(Herta Daubler-Gmelin) said on TV the other day. :The President of Amerikkka and his henchmen are acting just like Adolph Hitler and the Nazi:(and he should know, now there is one politician who is DEFINITELY telling the TRUTH.

I rest my case,it has been a great pleasure in sharing this all with you.
I wish you all a good life and a good day.
Buy.

PS:for the records,i am the realistic one in this project and YES! my partner is definitely the paranoid one:
The Amerikkkan goverment are the most UNSCRUPLIOUS GANG OF THUGS HAPPENING ON THIS PLANET AT THIS MOMENT, DONT' BELIEVE ONE IOTA .
 
Re: To Conclude.

Bill said:
PS:for the records,i am the realistic one in this project and YES! my partner is definitely the paranoid one:
The Amerikkkan goverment are the most UNSCRUPLIOUS GANG OF THUGS HAPPENING ON THIS PLANET AT THIS MOMENT, DONT' BELIEVE ONE IOTA .
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Careful Billy, your thugs are listening to you...;)
 
Still, such paranoia has nothing to do with the subject of crop circles, IMHO.
 
JerryB said:
Still, such paranoia has nothing to do with the subject of crop circles, IMHO.
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IMHO, I agree with you.
It also seems like evidence is in short supply as to circles being made by aliens and/or govt. conspiracies.
 
dr wu23 said:
IMHO, I agree with you.
It also seems like evidence is in short supply as to circles being made by aliens and/or govt. conspiracies.
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TBH the only hard evidence is the very existence of the circles themselves (which we're measuring beginning anywhere :)). I've never had a problem believing that quite a few, maybe even the majority are faked, but the massive, milimetre-perfect geometric designs that appear overnight? I know a few artists, and each one I've spoken to has said the same: if they were capable of producing that scale of work, to that standard, overnight and in the dark they'd at least sign the bloody thing!

Whatever the cause, what is undeniable is that crop circles exist - which puts them a step or so ahead of a lot of Fortish phenomena of which the very existence is questioned.

Finally: the theory that the US govt is using a space station armed with a powerful microwave (which BTW would require a lot of power, a precious commodity in space)- why not take out a target or two or so in the Mojave desert? Why not inscribe "Make my day" in the snow around the mountain passes in which Bin Laden is supposed to be holed up? No, I know, better to draw a giant doily in Wiltshire, for a laugh :rolleyes:.

Stu
 
Stu Neville said:
TBH the only hard evidence is the very existence of the circles themselves (which we're measuring beginning anywhere :)). I've never had a problem believing that quite a few, maybe even the majority are faked, but the massive, milimetre-perfect geometric designs that appear overnight? I know a few artists, and each one I've spoken to has said the same: if they were capable of producing that scale of work, to that standard, overnight and in the dark they'd at least sign the bloody thing!

Stu
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Stu,
You seem to imply that at least some are from mysterious sources. What do you think causes these perfect circles that hoaxers are not making?
 
Re: To Conclude.

Bill said:
I have never stated that it is not possible to make Crop Circles by hand,on the contrary some human life form is doing it.

But it seems that the whole C.C. scene is going in one direction,strictly:COMMERCIAL:

Lets see now,we have :Books,Video's,T-shirts,Postcards,Calendars and now we are on the verge of going Hollywood. I heard that the crew from New Zeeland helped out with the special crop affects,there are 3 of them(they got paid well).

With the advent of the film :Signs: you will be able to sit back at you'r local cinema and go OO! and Ah! look at that and finely C.C will be lost in the fantasy world of Hollywood,it may even get an Oscar.
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Bill, can't see what you're trying to get at here. Are you now saying that the crop circles are being made by the government on behalf of commercial interests? It seems a little bit excessive. ;)


PS:for the records,i am the realistic one in this project and YES! my partner is definitely the paranoid one:
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:eek!!!!:
 
dr wu23 said:
Stu,
You seem to imply that at least some are from mysterious sources. What do you think causes these perfect circles that hoaxers are not making?
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I don't know! I just don't think they're all faked.

That's one of the beauties of Forteanism: one can discount a theory as applicable in all cases without having to replace it with a different one. Some things just are.

Stu
 
Hmm - just because they're made anonymously to an exacting degree doesn't mean that they're not man-made.
 
I am a craftsman and i know that if i am building(out of wood)an object in-situ,then at some point i have to stand back and get the WHOLE object into perspective and this is something you can only do from a distance.

Logic tells me that this applies also for building Crop Circles,because working on such a size and in great detail one has to be working from a distance(in this case Earths Orbit)in order to get the perspective.
Do you get my drift?
I am going to send you a link that will give you an idea of PERSPECTIVE.

And for the records:No way are some of these ENORMOUS CCs made in the dark and with such accuracy(even with night glasses on)by people on the ground:

No way José!!!

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RE: the commercial side of CCs.
No they are not being made for commercial reasons, what i am saying is that for those people that know nothing about CCs,when they see:SIGNS: they may look upon it as just another fantasy dreamed up by Hollywood and CCs will lose credibility.
 
RE:Richard and Judy.

liveinabin
Great Old One

Registered: Oct 2001
Location: location, location

Richard and Judy Crop Circle
i saw a thing on the TV today that there was a Richard and Judy Crop circle. Very funny. I've tried to find a picture to post a link but I can't sorry. but take it from me it was funny as hell!


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18-09-2002 21:55



mrchopper
Kushti

Registered: Nov 2001
Location:

I saw it too, if its real and not a computer image its the best crop circle ive seen, very complex and must of took days to build.


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18-09-2002 22:56



gordonrutter
Grey

Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Edinburgh

It was made in one day by Rod Dickinson and co and is just outside Edinburgh - where I'm based. It has been featured in several UK newspapers apparently but I don't know exactly where it is - if anyone does know I would be grateful to find out as I would like to visit it.HOW INTERESTING,NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW WHERE IT WAS MADE. Bill

Thanks

Gordon
 
Genuine and Faked...

Stu Neville said:
I don't know! I just don't think they're all faked.

That's one of the beauties of Forteanism: one can discount a theory as applicable in all cases without having to replace it with a different one. Some things just are.

Stu
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Ok...let's pursue this a little. Which ones are faked and which aren't? Is there a way to tell and if not then it's a moot point and they are all faked. Also you must have an opinion on what might be behind 'genuine ones' and I would like to hear it.
Heh, isn't part of Forteana speculating on what causes weird events?
 
Bill said:
I am a craftsman and i know that if i am building(out of wood)an object in-situ,then at some point i have to stand back and get the WHOLE object into perspective and this is something you can only do from a distance.

Logic tells me that this applies also for building Crop Circles,because working on such a size and in great detail one has to be working from a distance(in this case Earths Orbit)in order to get the perspective.
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Ancient man has made many large designs and buildings without perspective from above(The Nazca lines in Peru and the large chalk etchings in England come to mind). The mysterious world books are full of them. I suppose 'aliens' or govt. beams made them too? ;)
That arguement doesn't hold water. Now, your comment about precise circles at night is more intelligent as I also feel it would be a formidable task but with practice and ingenuity it's obvious the 'hoaxers' have surmounted these obstacles. BTW, I dislike the term hoaxers being applied to the circle makers. I think they are genuine artists or better yet Trickster artistes.
 
Fake/Non fake

OK: here's what I percieve. The ones to which I referred in my original post are ones such as The Mandelbrot Set, the Spiderweb, or the Milk Hill (Alton Barnes) set. These are all mathematically precise, technically perfect and above all beautiful: if they were man-made, and I don't discount the fact that they may be, it is a shame the hand behind them doesn't apply itself to something more permanent.

Basic circles, double and triple circles I have no problem whatsoever in believing are man-made - I also fully acknowledge the work of John Lundberg et al for NBC (here), who replicated the set found near stonehenge in July 1996, again overnight, but just because they can be faked doesn't mean that they are all faked. Sure, in all aspects of Fort research there are fakers, but almost invariably there are genuines too: how often do fakers invent an entirely new category of phenomena? That of course is a discussion in itself, and I don't intend to sidetrack this discussion in such a manner. In fact , yuou can lend credence to the suggestion that basic circles are more likely to be the genuine ones, particularly if it's a "natural" process that creates them. So I've come full circle too!

I don't know what crop circles are. I don't pretend to have a theory: there are plenty enough out there (ETs, Gaia, Earth lights, two blokes with torches and some rope), but to dismiss everything as man-made is to throw the baby out with the bath water. I just feel there is more to it.

Stu
 
Notice how, over the years, the circles are getting bigger and more complex. This is because the people who are creating them are getting to grips with their technique and inventing new ones. I don't think any of what's been made so far is beyond the capabilities of a group of organised and well-prepared human beings. If humans can create things as big as the Nazca lines and other wonders of the world, I don't see how a (relatively) small crop circle or two would tax anyone with the know-how and dedication to do it.
 
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Stu Neville said:
but just because they can be faked doesn't mean that they are all faked.

I don't know what crop circles are. I don't pretend to have a theory: there are plenty enough out there (ETs, Gaia, Earth lights, two blokes with torches and some rope), but to dismiss everything as man-made is to throw the baby out with the bath water. I just feel there is more to it.

Stu
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Ok..but you still have not said why you feel that some circles are genuine nor what evidence shows that. Are you basing this on genetic node changes, swirl patterns, EM anomalies or just because they are so lovely. :)
 
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dr wu23 said:
Are you basing this on genetic node changes, swirl patterns, EM anomalies or just because they are so lovely. :)
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Of the above list, in increasing level of significance, 2,3 and 4.

Seriously though, it's the EM stuff that makes me query it: the uniformity of swirl does figure in it too - if it were not for those factors I'd happily say they were all artificial, and very skilfully done at that. If those particular ones are man-made, however, and note I don't discount it entirely, I'd like to see an explanation for that aspect: can a cellulose material cause a piezo effect, for example?
 
It all depends on exactly who is claiming any EM (or other)anomalies...
 
JerryB said:
It all depends on exactly who is claiming any EM (or other)anomalies...
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Oh Gawd, I just knew you'd ask that!

OK, then...I read it somewhere. As good as I can do, unfortunately (was it Terence Meaden?)

Brave stab preceding potentially embarrassing climbdown no 26...

Stu
 
If they are down to human agency, what is impressive is how very large and complex formations can be created during the few hours of summer darkness, with no reported sightings of the perpetrators.

This sounds like a well planned military manoeuvre - I think CCs must be training exercises for the SAS! A large, well trained squad infiltrate after dark, create the formation, and then melt silently away again...

Makes sense to me! :)
 
I think that people significantly underestimate human ingenuity, and dedication. Human ingenuity and sheer effort gave us Stonehenge, the pyramids, as well as the Nazca lines.

As to the creation of an approximate Mandelbrot figure, my guess would be that you would work from a finite resolution sketch (notice that the crop Mandelbrot isn't truly fractal and stops significantly before the level of detail that would have been representable in the stalks), do some measurements giving relative distances between the centres of the "circles" making up the pattern, and then *just* (this is where the hard work and dedication comes in ;) ) make a collection of ropes with knots indicating these distances. You use pairs of these to determine the positions of the circle centres. (Not dissimilar to the way that GPS locates people on the ground.)

Once you have the positions of the centres, the Mandelbrot CC then just becomes a collection of crop circles. (Though the main "body" requires a bit more effort as it has "buttocks". ;) )

Just one possible way to do it. However it was done, it is extremely impressive. :)
 
A crop circle measuring 40ft in diameter with a flower pattern inside, has appeared in a wheat field at Kew Gardens in west London.

from the Liverpool Echo 24 September.

Has anybody local to this area got any further information.
 
Kew gardens Link - but surprisingly Google found this in Australia! Ain't the web wonderful!

(It also quotes some dodgy character from some fringe magazine... :D )
 
A new idea on CCs(magic mushrooms)

Psilocybe semilanceata
(Liberty Caps)

CAP : Orange to yellow, tan when dry, conic to flat wavy with age
GILLS : Smokey redish brown
STEM : White, hollow, bluing when bruised
HABITAT : Bark mulch, lawns, and wooded areas
SEASON : October through December
DOSAGE : 1 large shroom, 1/5 oz. wet, 1/4 gram dry


They have been used for years,enharnces you'r sense of touch,sound,smell and NIGHT VISION(when taken in small doses)
Think about it
 
Hmm - trying to form cc's when on mushrooms would be rather tricky. And they don't enhance your night vision.
 
Whitley Strieber(and the 28 September)

Demon Eye of Knowledge
Thursday September 19th, 2002

The past four weeks have been one of the most extraordinary times of my life. I’ve gained a lot of new knowledge, especially regarding what we need to do to break out of the shell that presently traps us. Earth is too small for us. We’ve got to break free or die. And I don’t just mean a privileged few able to toss a king’s ransom away for a couple of days in near space. We have to break free. That means, very simply, that the stars must come into reach of the average human being.
This is possible. In fact, it has been possible since before World War II. On September 28, you’re going to hear on Dreamland a truly remarkable interview with the former aviation editor of the prestigious Jane’s Defence Weekly. He will describe how very, very close we are to anti-gravity, and how this technology has been known since the late twenties, how the Nazis built flying discs, and what has happened since, up until now, when Boeing is working to build anti- gravity assisted aircraft. Nick Cook’s book the Hunt for Zero Point, is the most creditable work about this subject ever written.

It makes two points that are crucial to the human future. The first is that antigravity is possible, and is nearly here. The second is that zero point energy extraction is also possible, and there are technologies in the works that will harness this endless supply of energy—indeed, one that has already been patented by Tom Bearden.

When you combine antigravity with a source of limitless power you extend the reach of the human world into the depths of space. Then other emerging technologies come into play, such as faster-than-light quantum communications. The vision of starships able to travel at an appreciable percentage of light speed while in instantaneous communication with earth becomes real, it becomes possible, and it lies just over the horizon.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS AND WHAT IS :DREAMLAND I WONDER??? Bill
 
Keep on the case Jerry B

Thanks, Jerry B keep on the case,this thread is going to Texas.
Greetings
l;)
 
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