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I hope Maximus took her wing mirror out spectacularly at least .. ( I think you should change your location to "Inertia and gravity's bitch" )
 

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You obviously noted her registration plate, took her name and address and are in contact with her insurers. Where there’s blame, there’s a claim you know.
 
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Despite me advancin' years (Speak up! Everyone nowadays mumbles except for that lovely Moira Stuart!) I'm quite a keen cyclist, and think little of covering 20 miles in an afternoon.

Yesterday I decided to have a break from correcting the Internet in order to cycle to a lovely little village about 5 miles away. I charged up my powerful front strobe light despite it being broad daylight on a bright day, and donned my helmet and high-visibility clothing. Traffic was light and the weather pleasantly cool. Off I went.

Just a quarter of a mile from home I had to turn right at a roundabout. I negotiated it as if I were the poster boy for road safety and cycling proficiency. Proper unambiguous signals, lights, hi-viz kit etc.

As I was about to complete my right turn, a dithering old biddy in a dark Toyota lurched out of one of the junctions and onto the roundabout. To give the old harpy her due, she did stop almost immediately: Right in my fucking path. I had no time even to attempt to brake or steer. Straight into a classic 90° T-bone at 10 to 12 mph.

Pow! I am inertia- and gravity's bitch...

Over the handlebars, onto her bonnet. Rolled off the bonnet onto the road. Ouch!

To add insult to injury, she then accuses me of "Zooming up out of nowhere"! Bitch, my front light is capable of causing epileptic fits in gastropods on Saturn, and you claim you couldn't see me?

Insult to injury II: A witness called the police. After about 20 minutes a Panda car cruised slowly past the scene then vanished in the distance. Five minutes later it retraced its path. I waved at the driver. He waved back. He drove on, never to be seen again. WTF?

Anyway, long story short, police and ambulance eventually attended. Diagnosis: whiplash and two slightly scabby knees. Police RTA report commenced.

The worst part? My lovely £1,500 Trek 1500 Triple is dead:



Weep for my companion of thousands of miles.

maximus otter
Sue her! I'll wheel you into court, best if your head is flopped to one side and you're drooling.
 

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Despite me advancin' years (Speak up! Everyone nowadays mumbles except for that lovely Moira Stuart!) I'm quite a keen cyclist, and think little of covering 20 miles in an afternoon.

Yesterday I decided to have a break from correcting the Internet in order to cycle to a lovely little village about 5 miles away. I charged up my powerful front strobe light despite it being broad daylight on a bright day, and donned my helmet and high-visibility clothing. Traffic was light and the weather pleasantly cool. Off I went.

Just a quarter of a mile from home I had to turn right at a roundabout. I negotiated it as if I were the poster boy for road safety and cycling proficiency. Proper unambiguous signals, lights, hi-viz kit etc.

As I was about to complete my right turn, a dithering old biddy in a dark Toyota lurched out of one of the junctions and onto the roundabout. To give the old harpy her due, she did stop almost immediately: Right in my fucking path. I had no time even to attempt to brake or steer. Straight into a classic 90° T-bone at 10 to 12 mph.

Pow! I am inertia- and gravity's bitch...

Over the handlebars, onto her bonnet. Rolled off the bonnet onto the road. Ouch!

To add insult to injury, she then accuses me of "Zooming up out of nowhere"! Bitch, my front light is capable of causing epileptic fits in gastropods on Saturn, and you claim you couldn't see me?

Insult to injury II: A witness called the police. After about 20 minutes a Panda car cruised slowly past the scene then vanished in the distance. Five minutes later it retraced its path. I waved at the driver. He waved back. He drove on, never to be seen again. WTF?

Anyway, long story short, police and ambulance eventually attended. Diagnosis: whiplash and two slightly scabby knees. Police RTA report commenced.

The worst part? My lovely £1,500 Trek 1500 Triple is dead:



Weep for my companion of thousands of miles.

maximus otter

Lucky you are not not badly hurt. Insurance should cover the bike, (there is no fixing that), strip it of everything useful, recycle and await your nice new ride.

You know about extreme emergency braking? Hauling on the brakes and throwing your weight back across the saddle? With practice you can stop immediately.


This vid shows good enough technique, don't agree with her saying to stay in the drops, who can do that after the age of thirty? No one. Not practical. Your brakes should be set up to stop your bike from the hoods immediately.

I'd look at disc brakes if you've never used them, they can stop on a dime and are not as heavy as people make out for road bikes. The also stop in any weather and are a million times easier to maintain. I love them on my Cyclocross commuter.



I'm sure you are an experienced cyclist but I found even after several years of commuting 80 miles a week this book reaffirmed what I already knew and taught me a few new tricks of surviving on the roads. http://www.industrializedcyclist.com/ArtofCycling2ndEdition.html

I found it more useful than the Bikeability stuff even though I'm a former Bikeability Cycle skills instructor, (I let my training lapse), https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cyclecraft-complete-enjoyable-cycling-children/dp/0117037400

It's a pity OWB no longer posts as she was part of our little band of experienced cyclists here on the forum and road safety was one of her big things.
 

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I think the same has happened to all of us who bike it at least once. I commute mostly on busy main roads, and despite being a big, luminously-dressed bloke with (like you) bright lights I regularly get berks pulling out in front of me, suddenly deciding to turn left, tailgating on hills, etc etc. Other cyclists can be just as bad - there's a lot of cycle paths down my way, much used by walkers and cyclists alike, but that seem to attract the kind of MAMILs that think they're entirely justified in using the track for time trials. I actually saw one loudly swearing at parents and small children the other week for daring to be on the shared-use path by the local primary school at 8.30 in the morning, when he was trying to match his personal best (as he was on a carbon fibre racer, in full lycra, with no bags or anything I'm guessing he wasn't commuting.)

My main bugbear though, at the moment, is screen zombies. I actually narrowly missed one yesterday, as she stepped out between parked cars on a main road engrossed in her phone. That and people who shove pushchairs out onto the carriageway as a prelude to crossing. Double points if they're also gazing at their phone.

Anyway, sympathies, Maximus. Hope you're back on the road soon.
 

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I think a lot of the time its the inconvenience that you are put thro, example: You have to worry if the insurance are going to pay you or not, then you have to run about looking for a replacement, just because of someone else's inattentiveness, And i know that you have survived, but you still have lost possibly your pride and joy
 

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I have always thought that many drivers under estimate the speed of
a reasonably fit cyclist and get it wrong, I have had more near does on
cycles than any other mode of transport, there's always the thing that
they don't want to be stuck behind a cyclist so take risks to get out in
front that may take a part in this, and some cyclists don't help themselves
though, who hasn't watched one and thought for christ sake have you
no sense self preservation.

Disc brakes on cycles though are very good total re adjustment of braking
technek needed or you will be over the bars one finger is enough.
 

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I have always thought that many drivers under estimate the speed of
a reasonably fit cyclist and get it wrong, I have had more near does on
cycles than any other mode of transport, there's always the thing that
they don't want to be stuck behind a cyclist so take risks to get out in
front that may take a part in this, and some cyclists don't help themselves
though, who hasn't watched one and thought for christ sake have you
no sense self preservation.

Disc brakes on cycles though are very good total re adjustment of braking
technek needed or you will be over the bars one finger is enough
.

Can't say I really noticed that when I got my first disc brakes on my trek MTB. Like anything go out and have a bit of a practice when you get a new bike or new shiny bits.
 

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I charged up my powerful front strobe light despite it being broad daylight on a bright day, and donned my helmet and high-visibility clothing. Traffic was light and the weather pleasantly cool. Off I went.

...To add insult to injury, she then accuses me of "Zooming up out of nowhere"! Bitch, my front light is capable of causing epileptic fits in gastropods on Saturn, and you claim you couldn't see me?
Accepting from what you've said, this was her fault - however, you don't do yourself ANY favours fitting one of these strobes! And you may well find that out the hard way when it comes to the insurance claims... A driver can (quite legitimately) claim they were blinded, confused and disoriented by the strobe and consequently unable to assess your speed or direction!

Very often I see cyclists with strobes (often at night with and most-often with no mandatory lighting either) which are entirely counter-productive in terms of establishing what they are or how quickly they're moving. - And yes; your strobe may well be capable of triggering photo-sensitive epilepsy! Which actually isn't a legitimate selling point! Really , if you have a strobe at all it should be diffused amber and flashing as between 60 and 120 flashes per minute. - And the main lights on ANY cycle need to be the proper steady white and red with the former set so they AREN'T blinding people!

Ram said:
I have always thought that many drivers under estimate the speed of
a reasonably fit cyclist and get it wrong
They do... But then many 'reasonably fit' cyclists over estimate their speed and ability to maintain position in traffic; resulting in people becoming frustrated with them.

BUT.... There is a problem! To many motorists even motorcycles and small cars are invisible!

One of my cars is a Smart - used exclusively to travel around the streets of Edinburgh. It's no 'slower' in normal traffic than my BMW 3-series tourer - yet the number of people who either pull out in front of it ("can't see it mate" - stop w***ing so much as you won't go blind, is my normal response!) or try to blow past it dangerously at lights is astonishing! - It's currently having its signwriting replaced (it's used for business) and this time around a lot of the vinyls with be reflective. - Though my main instinct is roof-mounted rocket launchers might be more useful.

The one time I was T-boned (circa 1988) was on an 800cc BMW Motorcycle - Full fairing, all white except for the orange stripe down the side and the word POLICE written in blue! Proper front running light on, all in Hi-Viz, pootling along happily on a nice clear sunny day heading back to the station after escort duty. - The funniest thing about it was the car belonged to a driving school and was being driven by an instructor who had just dropped off a distraught pupil who had just failed her test... - Can't imagine why!
 

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Accepting from what you've said, this was her fault - however, you don't do yourself ANY favours fitting one of these strobes! And you may well find that out the hard way when it comes to the insurance claims... A driver can (quite legitimately) claim they were blinded, confused and disoriented by the strobe and consequently unable to assess your speed or direction!

Very often I see cyclists with strobes (often at night with and most-often with no mandatory lighting either) which are entirely counter-productive in terms of establishing what they are or how quickly they're moving. - And yes; your strobe may well be capable of triggering photo-sensitive epilepsy! Which actually isn't a legitimate selling point! Really , if you have a strobe at all it should be diffused amber and flashing as between 60 and 120 flashes per minute. - And the main lights on ANY cycle need to be the proper steady white and red with the former set so they AREN'T blinding people!



They do... But then many 'reasonably fit' cyclists over estimate their speed and ability to maintain position in traffic; resulting in people becoming frustrated with them.

BUT.... There is a problem! To many motorists even motorcycles and small cars are invisible!

One of my cars is a Smart - used exclusively to travel around the streets of Edinburgh. It's no 'slower' in normal traffic than my BMW 3-series tourer - yet the number of people who either pull out in front of it ("can't see it mate" - stop w***ing so much as you won't go blind, is my normal response!) or try to blow past it dangerously at lights is astonishing! - It's currently having its signwriting replaced (it's used for business) and this time around a lot of the vinyls with be reflective. - Though my main instinct is roof-mounted rocket launchers might be more useful.

The one time I was T-boned (circa 1988) was on an 800cc BMW Motorcycle - Full fairing, all white except for the orange stripe down the side and the word POLICE written in blue! Proper front running light on, all in Hi-Viz, pootling along happily on a nice clear sunny day heading back to the station after escort duty. - The funniest thing about it was the car belonged to a driving school and was being driven by an instructor who had just dropped off a distraught pupil who had just failed her test... - Can't imagine why!
You've got a point. Having been one of the originals to use high lumen lights, (first for MTBing then for commuting), they need to be fitted on helmets only so you dip the beam for oncoming traffic.

"They do... But then many 'reasonably fit' cyclists over estimate their speed and ability to maintain position in traffic; resulting in people becoming frustrated with them."

I sort of understand this and you've unwittingly nailed the issue of cyclists sharing the road with motorized vehicles.

I've never over estimated my speed or ability to maintain my position on the road but have been actively bullied, (putting my life in danger), by vehicles trying to get past me when I've had to legitimately "take the lane" due to narrow roads.

People "becoming frustrated" is an piss poor excuse for poor driving/breaking the law and should not condone illegal driving practices.

That is main issue with Vehicular Cycling and it's assumption that if you act like a vehicle and obey the road rules you will be safe. It doesn't work as people will bully you off the roads and break the road rules all the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_cycling

It was one of the reasons I gave up cycle skills teaching. This approach is used to teach our kids how to stay safe on the roads but it has some major flaws.

Use it but look at other ways to stay safe. As I've said before Robert Hurst needs to be read as well as VC.
 
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Accepting from what you've said, this was her fault - however, you don't do yourself ANY favours fitting one of these strobes! And you may well find that out the hard way when it comes to the insurance claims... A driver can (quite legitimately) claim they were blinded, confused and disoriented by the strobe and consequently unable to assess your speed or direction!
I had a problem the other night with a cyclist coming towards me with one of those strobes on his helmet.
It was SO bloomin' bright and the flashing made it difficult to see properly.
Fortunately, he was on the other side of the road.
 

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I had a problem the other night with a cyclist coming towards me with one of those strobes on his helmet.
It was SO bloomin' bright and the flashing made it difficult to see properly.
Fortunately, he was on the other side of the road.
Yeah cuse cars never dazzle cyclists every 10 seconds.
 

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This was flashing like a bloody lighthouse. Brighter than a car.
You see one guy doing this and it's a major meltdown. Try cycling at night for 20 years with cars with full beams in your eyes all the fucking time and I mean all the fucking time.

You = one cyclist, Myth has a big hissy fit.

You really sum the entitled view of car drivers every time you post and I still love you to bits. "I'm in charge everyone else can fuck off" - that's the view of most of your average cars drivers.

Please for once just get out of your car and try and put yourself in a cyclists shoes just for once.

PS I do both, drive and cycle and I still love you Myth.
 

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You see one guy doing this and it's a major meltdown. Try cycling at night for 20 years with cars will full beams in your eyes all the fucking time and I mean all the fucking time.

You = one guy, Myth has a big hissy fit.

You really sum the entitled view of car drivers every time you post and I still love you to bits. I'm in charge everyone else can fuck off - that's most of your average cars drivers.

Please for once just get out of your car and try and put yourself in a cyclists shoes just for once.

PS I do both.
Stop being so angry, man! :D I was simply recounting what happened to me recently.
FWIW, I always drive carefully around cyclists and always (yes, always) have dipped beams.
I am not some kind of petrolhead who has little care for the other road users.
 

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I was on a scooter before a car, and i bloody hated it, some drivers were idiots, to be honest i think that before someone gets in a car they should spend a while on a bike or a scooter, to see how we feel, and as to the matter of bike riders i all to often see them with no lights at all at night, that is bloody dangerous, do they not know that this is their life, i think they need indicators on them as well, also, if i had a bike it would look like the one from MIB

Another thing, bikes going thro on red at the lights, another stupid thing to do, why do they do it, are they not subject to the same rules?
 

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I will earn a black mark on my 15 year record for not including a reason why I'm pasting this....

 

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Yeah cuse cars never dazzle cyclists every 10 seconds.
...That's hardly a cogent, mature or even remotely valid argument.

For the record, until about 5 years ago (when I fell ill) I was a regular fitness cyclist and in my youth cycled competitively. - that's in excess of 40 years 'in the saddle', and I haven't-quite given up hope of getting back to it. So I'm well used to the hazards of night cycling, as well as driving.

But I don't have a grain of sympathy brain-dead morons riding around with torches on their head blinding other road users, and they are a very common sight - three months minimum wouldn't be too harsh a sentence for this sort of self-centred contempt for human life IMHO - it's as dangerous and stupid as drunk driving. - And its definitely not 'one' odd idiot around here; it seems to have become something of a fashion with the Lycra loonies - who give other cyclists a bad name.
 

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The thing I hate about some MAMILs is they turn up on their bikes in the suits - and I guess they had a parade and a good look in the bedroom mirror beforehand - and they are so concerned about their performance, they don't even countenance the weight of a light on the bike. They probably shave their privates for additional weight loss. Around here, they ride in groups and take up half the carriageway and none of them wear HiViz. I saw an overweight MAMIL in peach lycra and thought it was a DEVO Booji Boy stunt where a huge naked baby rides without stabilisers, or sense, on a narrow road with blind corners where everyone's doing 50mph minimum. And the whole of that road is strewn with wilting bouquets of flowers for the people who have lost their lives on that death run.
 

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You've got a point. Having been one of the originals to use high lumen lights, (first for MTBing then for commuting), they need to be fitted on helmets only so you dip the beam for oncoming traffic.
You couldn't be more wrong... Not only is that illegal, it's also the worst possible place to put these (or any other really) lamp, as soon as you turn your head towards someone, you're blinding them! It's really just that simple. - If I were still a Police Officer I'd prosecute every one of these arrogant cnuts I could get my hands on.
 

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Thorny issue.... but shouldn't road cyclists pay some road tax? After all, they're the ones who have to swerve out of the way of dodgy drains and gutters into the path of extermination.
 

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People "becoming frustrated" is an piss poor excuse for poor driving/breaking the law and should not condone illegal driving practices.
And you actually don't see the irony in what you have just written when you yourself are condoning a practice that is both illegal and highly dangerous? - Not to mention your response to Myth; which essentially seeks to justify that danger in the most puerile of ways.
 

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Hmmmm. Fitness cycling. I'm sure every gym has such a a thing as a bike. Even Argos sell them.
I have bikes... But I also have COPD and the 'brittle' form of asthma which means a fatal attack could be sudden. - I've no desire to provoke one; or become one of the hamsters in some god-forsaken gym.
 

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Thorny issue.... but shouldn't road cyclists pay some road tax? After all, they're the ones who have to swerve out of the way of dodgy drains and gutters into the path of extermination.
If you ask me, adult cyclist should be properly insured - and made to be fully compliant with the law; which in itself needs bolstered and clarified. But, as we saw in a recent case, one of these idiots can take a life, be completely unrepentant - gain broad support from within their 'community' - and basically get off lightly with it!
 
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I was on a scooter before a car, and i bloody hated it, some drivers were idiots, to be honest i think that before someone gets in a car they should spend a while on a bike or a scooter, to see how we feel, and as to the matter of bike riders i all to often see them with no lights at all at night, that is bloody dangerous, do they not know that this is their life, i think they need indicators on them as well, also, if i had a bike it would look like the one from MIB

Another thing, bikes going thro on red at the lights, another stupid thing to do, why do they do it, are they not subject to the same rules?
I passed my car test at 17... I had no interest in (motor)bikes. It wasn't 'till I was in the police (as a special - with a view to joining as a regular eventually going into Traffic) and expressed an interest in going forward to driver training that they insisted - as part of the first stage - I get a motorcycle licence; they provided the training and test for me as well as the start of advanced driver/rider training. - I pretty much agree with your point; unless there is some physical reason why you cannot ride a bike, a year riding a scooter/bike and the CBT to prove it should be a prerequisite of getting a car licenece.
 
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