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Dangerous Dogs

They can't all be crazy.... when I worked for the Fuzz we had spaniel sniffer dogs, and they had to be incredibly well-behaved 100% of the time or they would have been fired*.

The police German Shepherds are amazing animals, beautiful, powerful, majestic....and really, really good in a fight.







*Yes, that's a thing.
 
My next door neighbour has two completly bonkers spaniels, they gee each other into a complete frenzy, then would clear the fence and run around barking like loons - when you've three children under 10 (as I had then) this was clearly NOT a situation I endorsed, but as 'polite requests' had no effect, I, one morning, having had to go into the garden to 'rescue' two of my frightened children and in 'defensive mode' , simply grabbed each one by the scruff and threw them over the fence. Two days later the neighbor erected a six food panel fence. He's still got them, they bark every time I of the folk the other side go into our gardens and if left alone in the house or garage bark and howl continuously, day or night.

I like dogs, but some dog owners, simply shouldn't be allowed dogs, it's not fair on the dogs.

I used to exercise a GShepherd or two, they had a sly sense of humour and while running them on a tight lead, they, at the last moment would dart the other side of a tree to me and when all three of us came skidding to a taut, tangled and sudden halt would look at me all "Heh! Gotcha!" tails wagging. It was a game.
 
We had a cocker spaniel when I was growing up which was a sweetie more likely to lick you than bite - friendly, approachable to strangers, non aggressive. He would bite as a last resort but you'd have to provoke him - threaten to take away his bone while he was eating it, the sort of thing you do occasionally as a kid to wind the dog up. But even then it would be a quick nip to say "fuck off, it's mine" rather than full-on sink teeth in and hang on. He also had a sort of 'play bite' where you could put your hand in his mouth & he'd bite but softly enough it didn't do any damage at all.

I agree they are a bit mad though and hyperactive, especially when young. As Carlos has mentioned they get used as sniffer dogs quite a lot.

But I take on board James's point about owners being polite about them!

Badly behaved dogs like Coal has mentioned can be a real nuisance & is imo generally down to bad owners / training. I agree some people should ideally not be allowed but there's no way of implementing this.

Have you ever seen 'The Dog Whisperer' - can't remember which channel it's on - but the guy seems to have a very good & calm method in altering the behaviour of troublesome dogs. In all cases it's the owners not taking the right approach.
 
Went for a nice bike ride int the sunshine today, along a track where people also hike and walk dogs. There seemed to be a lot more spaniels around than usual, ooer! Didn't have a single problem though.
 
Last December a neighbour's dog bit me hard on the arm. As it happened in her house I couldn't do anything legally and anyway, it's a dog. *shrug*.

So I've just heard that the same dog has bitten its owner's thumb off.

Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear. :twisted:
 
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escargot1 said:
Last December a neighbours dog bit me hard on the arm. As it happened in her house I couldn't do anything legally and anyway, it's a dog. *shrug*.

So I've just heard that the same dog has bitten its owner's thumb off.

Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear. :twisted:
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Erm, what breed of dog was that..? (I feel we should know. Not necessarily the full pedigree, but "similar to...".
Or is it a Heinz 57?)
 
A Patterdale, apparently (I'm told) 'the most efficient killing machine'. The owner was breaking up a fight between her several dogs.
 
escargot1 said:
A Patterdale, apparently (I'm told) 'the most efficient killing machine'. The owner was breaking up a fight between her several dogs.
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Hmm..

"Patterdale Terrier puppies tend to be bold and confident beyond their capabilities The Patterdale Terrier is known as a working terrier, rather than a show dog. Typical of terriers, whose work requires high energy and a strong drive to pursue prey, Patterdale Terriers are very energetic and can be difficult to socialise. Though also kept as pets, due to being bred for high-intensity work, they may tend towards being too energetic for a sedentary household life."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterdale_Terrier#Temperament

Your neighbour found out the hard way.
 
escargot1 said:
Last December a neighbours dog bit me hard on the arm. As it happened in her house I couldn't do anything legally and anyway, it's a dog. *shrug*.

So I've just heard that the same dog has bitten its owner's thumb off.

Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear. :twisted:
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Errr...what? Is that the law?
That you have no legal recourse if a dog bites you in the owner's house?
 
Scarg' I'm assuming you had permission to be there? Then it's the owner's responsibility to have a safe environment.
 
Yup, until May last year, if a dog attacked a visitor to its home its owner couldn't be prosecuted. The dog bit me in the following December so I did have a case.

However, the owners are friends of mine and I made allowance for the fact that they do take on animals that nobody else could cope with.

I have taken in many unwanted cats and had my home ruined by them :eek: although they tend not to bite visitors. So I am tolerant of nutty animal-collectors. Their hearts are in the right place!

The thumb incident did give me a delightful shudder of schadenfreude, though. As Rynner says, she found out the hard way! :twisted:
 
escargot1 said:
Yup, until May last year, if a dog attacked a visitor to its home its owner couldn't be prosecuted. The dog bit me in the following December so I did have a case.

However, the owners are friends of mine and I made allowance for the fact that they do take on animals that nobody else could cope with.

I have taken in many unwanted cats and had my home ruined by them :eek: although they tend not to bite visitors. So I am tolerant of nutty animal-collectors. Their hearts are in the right place!

The thumb incident did give me a delightful shudder of schadenfreude, though. As Rynner says, she found out the hard way! :twisted:
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A way of giving them the finger.
 
hunck said:
Have you ever seen 'The Dog Whisperer' - can't remember which channel it's on - but the guy seems to have a very good & calm method in altering the behaviour of troublesome dogs. In all cases it's the owners not taking the right approach.
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I thought it an excellent program, the guy really understood dogs and pack dynamics and it pretty much was down to the owners in most cases, which he dealt with with some tact. I recall one or two cases where a dog was beyond re-training though, sad.

I think Cesar Millan is a figure of some controversy in some areas, his insistence that dogs are, well, 'dogs' and not 'people' and that treating dogs as people causes problems, is not popular.

When we had our pup, we were told in hushed tones by a vet, that if we were having behavioral issues with a pup, a remonstrance of a pinch of the pup's lip, just enough to sting will do it. This is what a puppy's mother will do to admonish a pup and is perfectly natural, but is not 'politically correct'.

The only aspect of our dog's behavior we couldn't easily train her out of was chewing inappropriate objects (half spaniel), so we used Tabasco sauce on the said object. We only did this once (cue dog drinking a lot of water) and thereafter, to stop her chewing something, we only had to show her the bottle. However, we supplied plenty of 'allowed chew' toys and allowed 'assistance' with unwrapping and so on (at Christmas we have to wrap several treats with five layers of papers, otherwise there's no stopping her 'helping' with unwrapping), she pretty quickly caught onto what was OK to chew and what wasn't - but for my money, the important thing is to provide an outlet for the behavior in conjunction with the 'training'.

Charity shop are a good source of small furry things that can be dismembered (as long as one checks for hard objects and removes them)
 
I agree Coal, and as far as I'm concerned, considering pack mentality must be the basis behind training a dog. All sentient life on this planet prefers to know it's boundaries, and usually the alpha member of the group is the one to instill it. It is usually enforced with a short, sharp action that is easily associated with that particular transgression, and usually at an early age.
 
Truro man will stand trial for dog attack
By WBCaroline | Posted: November 20, 2015

A TRURO dog owner has denied that his pet was responsible for an attack that left a grandfather scalped and requiring surgery.
Paul Francis Charles Lindsay-Jones, 52, who appeared at Truro Crown Court this morning, denied being the owner of a dog, which has been described as a mixed breed Rottweiler mastiff cross, that was dangerously out of control in a public place and caused injury to a person.

Peter Fitzgerald required surgery after he was attacked while he was walking at playing fields near Cornish Crescent in Truro on June 20.

Lindsay-Jones, of Salmon Row, spoke to confirm his name and enter a not guilty plea.
His trial has been fixed for February 5. He was given conditional bail.

http://www.westbriton.co.uk/8203-Truro-man-stand-trial-dog-attack/story-28212751-detail/story.html
 
Police lock up dog with no exercise for two years
By Claire Jones BBC News Online

Police kept a dog in a 1m (3ft) by 3m (9ft) cage for two years without ever exercising it, the BBC can reveal.
Stella was seized after her owner was arrested on an unrelated matter in Devon in 2014.
Devon and Cornwall Police refused to give specific reasons why the dog could not be exercised. They said she was considered potentially dangerous.
A worker at the kennels said they were told by police not to exercise dogs held under the Dangerous Dogs Act.

Laura Khanlarian worked as an assistant at the private kennel used by Devon and Cornwall Police.
She said Stella left her kennel twice during her stay, only for behaviour assessments.
Ms Khanlarian said: "We were always told not to exercise or go into a kennel with any dogs, regardless of character, that had been brought in under the Dangerous Dogs Act.
"We were under no circumstances allowed to touch any of those dogs at all under any circumstances - which was hard.
"Animal welfare comes before anything, and that was my job. I don't believe I would be doing it properly if I would sit back and think that's ok. It wasn't ok - it's not ok."

Kendal Shepherd, a vet of 30 years and animal behaviour expert, said: "It's terrible. It's unjustified. It's wasting huge amounts of money and it's not doing a single thing to prevent dog bites.
"It's cruel. But it's what our system forces us to do."

The RSPCA has created a guide to good practice for all police forces, which states: "Dogs must be provided with the opportunity to exercise away from their kennel at least once a day and this should be for a total of at least 30 minutes."

Stella, a pit bull-type dog, was considered potentially dangerous because of her breed, her behaviour when police seized her and her behaviour in assessments.
Court proceedings heard from her owner Antony Hastie who said there were no incidents of aggressive behaviour prior to her being seized.
Evidence heard during the court case included video footage of Stella's behaviour after she had spent nearly two years locked in the kennel.
Mr Hastie attended court 11 times over Stella, but in February 2016 it was ruled she should be destroyed.

Sgt Allan Knight, from the Devon and Cornwall Police dog handling unit, said the force has released dogs back to their owners during proceedings in the past.
"There will always be some dogs, for whatever reason, that cannot go back, and cannot get walked by staff because of the danger they possess.
"We are bound by the court process."

The force declined to offer a specific explanation as to why Stella should be kept in such a confined area and refused exercise for the length of time she was.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-35635935

The full story will be shown on BBC Inside Out South West on Monday 29 February at 19:30 and will be available on BBC iPlayer.
 
The force declined to offer a specific explanation as to why Stella should be kept in such a confined area and refused exercise for the length of time she was.
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Perhaps to make Stella a nasty dangerous dog ?
 
Jonfairway said:
Perhaps to make Stella a nasty dangerous dog ?
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Sadly, that seems to be what's happened. The local lunchtime news had a piece on it, and it showed film of Stella from 6 months ago compared with today.

(If you can't get Inside Out South West live this evening, try iPlayer.)
 
Me and the wife were listening to the radio the other day and there was a report that started by telling people with children they might wish to turn the radio down as local police had been forced to run over a dog that was running down the dual carriage way and the dog had to be killed as it had forced a lorry to swerve.
 
Yep, there was discussion on that here somewhere...maybe the WTF thread?
 
Mail deliveries to some houses in Birmingham have been suspended after two postmen were threatened by dogs off their leads, Royal Mail said.

Deliveries to a number of addresses have been halted in the Kinnerton Crescent and Dormston Drive B29 postcode area in Weoley Castle.

Royal Mail said it could not guarantee the safety of staff until action was taken to secure the dogs.

Suspending deliveries was "always a last resort," it said.

In the first incident a postman had to defend himself from two dogs off the lead.

The postman and his delivery postman partner were threatened the next day by the dogs outside an address in Dormston Drive, Royal Mail said.

It said it had taken the "difficult decision to temporarily suspend deliveries" and the incidents had been reported to police.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-35690352
 
US offer to take death row dog Stella
By Claire Jones BBC News Online

A lifeline has been offered to death row dog Stella by an American pit bull sanctuary which has offered to fly her to the United States.

Stella was seized by Devon and Cornwall Police in 2014 and kept in a cage without exercise.
A campaign to save Stella has gained momentum with almost 20,000 signatures on combined petitions.
Police said the dog was "deemed too dangerous to walk due to her aggressive behaviour".

Nicole Bruck, from the pit bull rescue centre Animals R Family based in Connecticut said: "We will take Stella and fly her to the US at our cost. Breed specific legislation is banned in Connecticut.
"Breed specific legislation is wrong and ineffective. In the US, pit bulls are one of the most popular dogs for family pet."

Devon and Cornwall Police confirmed Stella's owner has "launched a late appeal against the destruction order against Stella" and she will "remain in kennels until the outcome of the appeal is known".
Owner Anthony Hastie had 21 days to appeal a destruction order passed by Torquay Magistrates' Court on 8 February.
Tina Wagon, from the firm Wheldon Law, is acting on behalf of Mr Hastie.
Ms Wagon said: "Plan A is that Antony would like his dog back. Plan B is for us to get some help."
Mr Hastie said: "The appeal has been launched now. I want Stella back, but if that's not possible I just want to make sure she's kept alive."

Animals R Family states on its website: "We rescue cats and dogs who have been abused, neglected, abandoned, and provide vet care, training, food, shelter and lots of love, while finding them a loving, forever home."

A joint statement from Devon and Cornwall Police and the Police and Crime Commissioner on the forces website said "we wish to answer as many of the concerns as possible on this highly emotive issue".
Chief Superintendent Jim Nye said: "Many of you have been in contact following BBC Inside Out's story on dangerous dog Stella.
"We had to seize Stella, she is both an illegal breed and an extremely dangerous dog.
"The welfare of dogs are extremely important to us. In the past year we have seized in the region of 100 dogs, and only Stella has been assessed as too dangerous and unpredictable for kennel staff to walk.
"Stella was used on two occasions as a weapon by the owner in a threat to attack police personnel prior to being seized.
"The dog has then also attempted to bite a number of independent animal behavioural experts who tried to interact with her during their appraisals."
The statement did not say if any prosecution resulted from the alleged use of Stella as a weapon to threaten police, but Mr Hastie told the BBC he has never been arrested over the matter.

Police and Crime Commissioner Tony Hogg said: "The protracted legal process is wrong both in the way it has prolonged the dog's incarceration and in the cost to the public purse.
"It has cost the public £10,000 to keep the dog in kennels. The defence was responsible for 10 of those [11] adjournments so I am satisfied that the delay cannot be laid at the door of the police.
"Following the outcome of the appeal, we will encourage the force to seek recovery of the costs involved in this case from the owner."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-35697900
 
Cleator Moor man killed in dog attack at home
23 May 201
From the sectionCumbria

A 45-year-old man has died after being attacked by his pet dog at his home, police in Cumbria have said.
The man was pronounced dead at the scene of the attack at the house in Robert Owen Avenue, Cleator Moor, at about 14:00 BST on Sunday.

The animal, believed to be a Staffordshire pitbull crossbreed, was destroyed.
Three other dogs were seized from the property and will be examined to determine if they are a banned breed.

The victim has not yet been identified.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-36356634
 
Dog fighting: Campaigners call for action against owners
By Tom SymondsHome Affairs correspondent

Campaigners want tougher penalties for dog fighting, amid concerns about its prevalence on Britain's streets among young people using dogs for protection and to uphold their status.

The League Against Cruel Sports says undercover investigators were offered dogs that could be trained to fight.
It is also calling for a register of banned owners and a review of England and Wales's Dangerous Dogs Act.

The act can be used against owners of any out-of-control dog, ministers say.
But the League argues that the legislation targets particular types of dog, rather than poor behaviour by their owners.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36365619
 
rynner2 said:
Truro man will stand trial for dog attack
By WBCaroline | Posted: November 20, 2015

A TRURO dog owner has denied that his pet was responsible for an attack that left a grandfather scalped and requiring surgery.

http://www.westbriton.co.uk/8203-Truro-man-stand-trial-dog-attack/story-28212751-detail/story.html
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Man "scalped" by dog devastated after owner walks free from court
By RWhitehouse | Posted: July 07, 2016

A MAN who suffered serious injuries when he was "scalped" by a dog says he is "disappointed and angry" after the dog's owner walked free from court.
Peter Fitzgerald was left with horrific head wounds when he was attacked by a dog as he walked close to his home in Truro last summer.

The offending dog had grabbed hold of his head and torn his scalp leaving him bleeding profusely. He was only saved when his own dog Kimbo challenged the attacking animal.
After the attack Mr Fitzgerald had to have extensive treatment on his head and has been left with scarring and after-effects from his injuries.

Last week Paul Lindsay-Jones was due to stand trial at Truro Crown Court in relation to the attack but the case was dismissed after the prosecutors offered no evidence. :eek:

Mr Fitzgerald said: "I am absolutely devastated. The police investigated this for a year and I am still suffering now after what happened.
"I don't like going out on my own and when I see a dog coming towards me I will go the other way. I am in constant pain.
"So to see him walk away from court, laughing and saying he is getting his dog back is really upsetting.
"I am just concerned that this could quite easily happen to someone else."

Mr Fitzgerald said that he had written an official complaint to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) and was also writing to MP Sarah Newton to make her aware of the case.
He said: "I can't fault the police they have been marvellous and first class."
He added: "That dog, as far as I know, will be roaming around again and I am concerned that someone else could get hurt."

Mr Fitzgerald said that one side of his head was still numb due to nerve damage caused by the attack and said he was still having to take painkilling medication.
He said: "The scars I have are huge and I don't have any hair on parts of my head.
"I am still suffering because of this and I was hoping that this court case would help me start to recover. To see him walking away is really hard." :mad:

Sergeant Marc Sayers from Truro police said: "Mr Fitzgerald suffered significant injuries during this attack, and following the discontinuance of this case, we will be looking at the evidence again and reviewing all options open to us."

http://www.westbriton.co.uk/man-sca...e-from-court/story-29488078-detail/story.html
 
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