Destination Mars!

graylien

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Given that Nasa seem edgy about even sending the Mars Rover to examine the flowing water in case it contaminates the water with "Earthly bugs" (presumably they mean bacteria rather than woodlice), wouldn't colonising Mars forever ruin our chances of discovering whether it ever hosted indigenous life?

I suppose it raises an interesting alternative slant to the Ancient Astronaut hypothesis. Perhaps rather than deliberately seeding life on Earth, ancient alien explorers could have accidentally kicked off the process by leaving some of their bacteria behind?
 

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I know someone who is a real conspiracy buff who is convinced there are secret US and Russian bases on Mars which have been there since the early 70s. Funny thing is, he also believes the Moon Landings were faked as it's "clearly technically impossible" for humans to get to the Moon :huh:
Maybe he will share Rush Limbaugh's opinion that the water on Mars discovery is just a left-wing conspiracy. o_O
 
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WELL BEFORE NASA announced that liquid water exists on Mars, a team of designers from Clouds Architecture Officeand Space Exploration Architecture (SEArch) toiled to figure out how we could use ice—so, in essence, water—as shelter on the Red Planet. It’s a simple idea, really. We’ve known for some time that Mars is home to large quantities of water ice, and that this ice could serve as a locally sourced building material. Ice is also translucent, and all homes need a little natural light.

The team of eight ultimately came up with the Mars Ice House, a sloping, triangular structure that would be autonomously built by robots using additive manufacturing techniques. For their idea, NASA recently awarded them first place in a design competition for 3-D printed habitats made for future human inhabitants of Mars.

At one point in time or another, everyone on the team was a student in the Space Studio class taught at Columbia University’s Graduate School of Architecture. The course is taught by Michael Morris, who also led the Ice House project. Because the SEArch/Clouds AO team also has ties to Pratt, Parsons, and Carnegie Mellon design programs, they bring a certain humanism to a field that’s usually frequented by engineers at NASA, or private ventures like SpaceX. For them, the prospect of life on Mars isn’t just about how you get there and survive, it’s about how well life might be lived while there.

http://www.wired.com/2015/10/nasa-digs-idea-robots-build-igloos-mars/?mbid=social_twitter
 

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In an airless world, no matter how hard you throw the object, it will reach the ground in the same amount of time.
***Cough...*** Only if you always throw it horizontally, and from the same height each time, which is implied, but not stated outright in that article.
 

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***Cough...*** Only if you always throw it horizontally, and from the same height each time, which is implied, but not stated outright in that article.
*** cough... cough...*** And only if you ignore the curvature of the planet's surface.

It was that cunning old devil Newton who first explained that a body could orbit the earth if it was 'thrown' hard enough. (He imagined a cannon ball fired horizontally from a cannon - although it constantly curves towards the earth, the earth's surface curves away, so the ball remains in orbit and does not reach the ground.)
 

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Leaked ‘NASA footage’ shows a manned mission to Mars in 1973

A film supposedly leaked from NASA shows blurry footage from a manned mission to Mars – in 1973.

The film, which shows some wobbly-cam footage of the planet, begins with a sign saying, ‘Not for public distribution.’

Must be real, then.

Conspiracy theorists believe that there was a ‘secret space programme’, codenamed Project Redsun, when humans landed on Mars in the late 60s or early 70s.

Etc...

http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/07/leaked-nasa-footage-shows-a-manned-mission-to-mars-in-1973-5426230/

Once again, those devious goits at NASA have performed a top secret project involving thousands of people (presumbly) which they've covered up for forty years. First they pretend to go to the Moon but don't, then they pretend not to go to Mars but do! Oooh, it gets me goat!:mad:
 

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Note that in reality they are not finding any mystery wreckage. If they did they'd hold any number of triumphalist press briefings about it; they found salty sludge on the planet and made it into a media event -imagine what they'd do if they found nuts and bolts.
 

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Well, there was this pasta they found on Mars; probably an artifact of the cutting tool, or evidence of a food-processing industry on our sister planet...
 

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Note that in reality they are not finding any mystery wreckage. If they did they'd hold any number of triumphalist press briefings about it; they found salty sludge on the planet and made it into a media event -imagine what they'd do if they found nuts and bolts.
If they found wreckage or signs of an ancient civilisation, do you really think they'd tell us?
They're not telling us everything.
 

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If they found wreckage or signs of an ancient civilisation, do you really think they'd tell us?
Absolutely. Such a discovery would put NASA's budget through the roof. Instead they are attempting to big up the discovery of sludge.
 
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The Journey to Mars: Bridging the Technology Gap

As the new movie “The Martian” demonstrates, there’s an amazing list of technologies required to safely send human beings to the Red Planet and bring them home again. NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, is home to the Technology Demonstration Missions program office, which oversees a host of key technology development efforts at NASA and partner facilities around the country, each dedicated to doing just that: advancing and maturing technologies critical to exploration of Mars and other solar-system destinations.

From groundbreaking deep-space navigational tools to revolutionary propulsion systems and vehicle braking and planetary descent technologies, Marshall and its TDM partners, working under the leadership of NASA’s Space Technology Mission Directorate in Washington, are pursuing high-value technology projects with the potential to transform how we deliver robotic and human explorers to Earth’s nearest planetary neighbor.


The Deep Space Atomic Clock project led by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, seeks to validate in flight a miniaturized, ultra-precise, mercury-ion atomic clock that could dramatically change the way we conduct deep-space radio navigation, reducing mission operations costs and safely delivering more science data — and more spacefaring scientists — to their destination. The project could further improve autonomous, or self-directed, navigational functions for critical flight events such as orbital insertion around the planet Mars or even landing on its surface. NASA anticipates the project will launch a prototype to Earth orbit via a commercial launch vehicle in 2016, where the payload will be operated for at least a year to demonstrate its navigational capabilities.


Read more at http://www.deepstuff.org/the-journey-to-mars-bridging-the-technology-gap/#U5JxGevWX6WIKtq1.99
 
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The path to Mars goes through the moon — or the region of space near the moon, anyway.

NASA aims to put boots on Mars in the 2030s after first gathering human-spaceflight experience and expertise in low Earth orbit and the "proving ground" of cis-lunar space near the moon.

NASA has been working on this three-stage path to the Red Planet for some time, and the space agency lays out the basic plan in a 36-page report called "Journey to Mars: Pioneering Next Steps in Space Exploration," which was released Thursday (Oct. 8). [5 Ideas for Manned Missions to Mars]

"This strategy charts a course toward horizon goals while delivering near-term benefits and defining a resilient architecture that can accommodate budgetary changes, political priorities, new scientific discoveries, technological breakthroughs and evolving partnerships," William Gerstenmaier, associate administrator for Human Exploration and Operations at NASA Headquarters, said in a statement.

http://www.space.com/30788-nasa-astronauts-on-mars-plan.html?cmpid=514648
 
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A successful crewed Mars campaign must recognize, and take pains to ameliorate, the psychological and cultural challenges that Red Planet pioneers will face, a prominent space architect says.

For example, a manned mission to Mars must take into account sojourning astronauts' lengthy isolation from friends and family, said Marc Cohen, of the California-based company Astrotecture.

"Ironically, the same can-do spirit that characterized so many of the successes throughout the space age also blinds the current crop of Mars advocates to the profound challenges of habitability that lie ahead," Cohen said Nov. 4 during a presentation to NASA's Future In-Space Operations working group. [5 Crewed Mission to Mars Ideas]

"Long-duration missions to Mars and beyond cannot succeed if human support and human system integration strategy is based on denial and avoidance of the crew issues that are as real as [issues like] burning all the propellant," Cohen added.

Cohen listed some of the challenges that would make a Mars trip difficult for astronauts, from the obvious (constant confinement; separation from family for a long period of time) to the more obscure (no separation of work and social life; the relative lack of fresh fruits and vegetables; disconnection from the natural world).

http://www.space.com/31193-manned-mars-mission-cultural-issues.html?cmpid=514648
 
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In the wake of SpaceX’s successful rocket landing, some of the company’s most ardent fans are guessing at the shape of the biggest thing to come: the Mars Colonial Transporter.

The MCT is a crucial piece in SpaceX founder Elon Musk’s grand plan to send tens of thousands of colonists to the Red Planet, potentially starting in the next decade or two. Such a venture would mark a giant leap toward establishing a second cosmic home for humanity. Musk believes that’s a must if we’re to guard against extinction due to pandemics, asteroid strikes or other planet-wide catastrophes.

Early this year, Musk promised to unveil his architecture for Mars colonization by the end of 2015 – but in a recent GQ interview, he said the big reveal was more likely to come in early 2016. “Before we announce it, I want to make sure that we’re not gonna make really big changes to it,” he said

http://www.geekwire.com/2015/specul...-plans-for-spacexs-mars-colonial-transporter/
 

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I love the ambition and DV, I may live to see it.
 
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Elon Musk Says SpaceX Will Send People to Mars by 2025

Nobody can accuse Elon Musk of not shooting for the stars.

The SpaceX and Tesla founder said this week that he personally wants to visit space within the next five years and thinks that his company will launch a mission to Mars by 2025.

Speaking at the StartmeupHK Festival in Hong Kong this week, Musk said that he had already taken parabolic flights to prepare for space, but had not done much else.

"I don't think it's that hard, honestly," he said. "It's not that hard to float around."

Personal space travel ambitions aside, Musk also talked about how important it was for mankind to reach Mars. He said that SpaceX is planning to reveal its next-generation spacecraft at September's International Astronautical Conference in Guadalajara, Mexico.

That could be the next step toward eventually sending human beings to the Red Planet — something Musk said he thinks will happen by 2025. It's an ambitious goal considering that NASA's current plan is to send humans to Mars in the 2030s. ...

http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-says-spacex-will-send-people-mars-2025-n506891
 

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"I don't think it's that hard, honestly," he said. "It's not that hard to float around."
In spite of this idiotic remark, I suspect he has as much chance of doing it as NASA has. Unless they get that emdrive thing working, in which case I don't see why it couldn't happen in five years.
 
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