Die Glocke: The Nazi Bell

[Vardoger]

This photo could not be of 1940s vintage.


If it's an authentic photo, it can only be of Kecksburg (or a Kecksburg re-enactment). Here's why ...

The truck on the left is pretty obviously a 1940s vintage Chevrolet G506 1.5 ton truck built in huge numbers for the US military from 1941 - 1945.

The semi-tractor on the right is pretty obviously an International Loadstar truck, which wasn't introduced until the 1960s. It might also be an International Paystar rig, but those weren't introduced until the 1970s. The flasher light bar atop the cab also pegs this truck as 1960s or later.

It would be anomalous, but not inconceivable, for a G506 to still be in active use by the US Army as of 1965. It's impossible for an IHC Loadstar or Paystar to appear in an authentic WW2 era photo.

Here's the photo posted in an article about the Kecksburg incident.
https://top10hitnews.com/2021/07/23/ᴛᴏᴘ--ᴋᴇᴄᴋsʙᴜʀɢ-ᴜғᴏ-ᴄʀᴀsʜ-sᴇᴄʀ/
The photo with the military guards has earlier been published in articles about Russian UFOs, so it's not a reliable article.

 

[Pacific Viking]

Wow. Shades of Kecksburg, anyone?

Not with a 1970'S vintage truck they didn't!


After WW2 driven by the Monsanto Report recommendations to keep secret how advanced Nazi nuclear technology really was. The US Government created a huge disinformation campaign. Nazi bell UFO, et al myths were designed to ensnare gullible people

Monsanto Report NARA file G371 report by Monsanto scientists Weinberg and Nordheim to A.H Compton of Manhattan project on state of Nazi nuclear science in WW2. Dated Nov 8 1945 stated:

Quote: “Point III. What was the state of German theory of the chain reaction?

Answer (C) Generally we would say their approach was in no wise inferior to ours; in some respects it was superior.”

point "VI. What bearing does this have on publication of the parts of the PPR dealing with principles of the chain reaction?

Answer: the Germans know how to design a lattice which will work. From the practical standpoint this is all that matters. The details of elegant perturbation theory or transport theory (which would be contained in Vol. III) or the details of heat transfer calculations (Vol. IV) would tell them nothing essential to the determination of lattice dimensions. They already knew how to calculate the optimum dimensions.

A question of ethics is raised by the existence of the German reports. In many cases, useful information is contained therein."/unquote

This report is the smoking gun that the US Government already contemplated the need for secrecy to maintain nuclear non proliferation in 1945.

Apart from keeping Nazi nuclear research classified top secret after WW2, the other method used was was disinformation in the form of ridiculing the Nazis as incompetent and incapable. Without access to classified wartime reports, who could argue?

Now of course that wartime Nazi research is declassified it is becoming obvious the Nazis were not ignorant and had nuclear technologies more advanced in WW2 than the Manhattan Project.

ThIs disinformation is now so entrenched that anyone questioning the narrative is a heretic.

 

[Vardoger]

Here's an enhanced and sharpened version of the photo. The right truck looks Russian, but the star on the bumper says American. Perhaps the photo is fake and is a "recreation"? And that on top of the cabin looks like warning lights used on police and ambulance vehicles in USA.

 

[EnolaGaia]

Here's an enhanced and sharpened version of the photo. The right truck looks Russian, but the star on the bumper says American. Perhaps the photo is fake and is a "recreation"? And that on top of the cabin looks like warning lights used on police and ambulance vehicles in USA. ...

That style of full-width light bar didn't become popular until the 1960s, and it wouldn't have been commonly used on military heavy haulers (which would have had escort vehicles). The extra-wide-mounted mirrors (aka "West Coast mirrors") were occasionally seen on special-duty haulers prior to the 1960s, but they didn't become common until the Sixties.

You won't find an American or a Soviet military heavy truck with a one-piece windshield prior to the Sixties / Seventies.

International / IHC wasn't a mass supplier of trucks to the Army, but I've found enough examples to demonstrate the Army was using at least some IHC heavy hauler tractors in the Sixties.

Another problem is the coloring. The Chevy G5XX is a uniform faded pale green that was common during the 1940s. The other truck's color is splotchy, and I suspect it's been digitally painted. That sort of pale green was not common in the Sixties, by which time Army transports were usually painted dark green (-ish).

I don't know whether the truck on the right matches any European / Russian tractor unit. It seems to be a dead ringer for a variant IHC Loadstar from the Sixties. The flat slab-style front end is fairly distinctive of an IHC unit.

If there's a Russian truck in that photo, it's the one on the left. The USA shipped thousands of G5XX trucks to the Soviet Union during WW2.

Owing to the blurry texture, repetitive patches in the foreground grass, mismatch between foreground / background color palette, and wavy silhouette lines I'd say the trucks and trailer images could well have been pasted into this scene.

 

[Vardoger]

That style of full-width light bar didn't become popular until the 1960s, and it wouldn't have been commonly used on military heavy haulers (which would have had escort vehicles). The extra-wide-mounted mirrors (aka "West Coast mirrors") were occasionally seen on special-duty haulers prior to the 1960s, but they didn't become common until the Sixties.

You won't find an American or a Soviet military heavy truck with a one-piece windshield prior to the Sixties / Seventies.

International / IHC wasn't a mass supplier of trucks to the Army, but I've found enough examples to demonstrate the Army was using at least some IHC heavy hauler tractors in the Sixties.

Another problem is the coloring. The Chevy G5XX is a uniform faded pale green that was common during the 1940s. The other truck's color is splotchy, and I suspect it's been digitally painted. That sort of pale green was not common in the Sixties, by which time Army transports were usually painted dark green (-ish).

I don't know whether the truck on the right matches any European / Russian tractor unit. It seems to be a dead ringer for a variant IHC Loadstar from the Sixties. The flat slab-style front end is fairly distinctive of an IHC unit.

If there's a Russian truck in that photo, it's the one on the left. The USA shipped thousands of G5XX trucks to the Soviet Union during WW2.

Owing to the blurry texture, repetitive patches in the foreground grass, mismatch between foreground / background color palette, and wavy silhouette lines I'd say the trucks and trailer images could well have been pasted into this scene.

The reason for believing it could be Russian is the air vents on the side of the engine hood. You won't find these air vents on Loadstar trucks.
Originally the photo was probably black and white.

This is a KrAZ-255 from the Soviet period.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

The reason for believing it could be Russian is the air vents on the side of the engine hood. You won't find these air vents on Loadstar trucks.
This is a KrAZ-255 from the Soviet period.
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So is the 'row of lights' actually the rear canvas 'roof' seen from an angle?

 

[BS3]

Doesn't the picture probably date from the time of that 1990 (?) TV show about Kecksburg? It's clearly just a reenactment of some kind, hence the dodgy trucks.

The idea of the 'bell' as some kind of cyclotron is interesting and seems plausible as the genesis of the whole tale, but it's still hard to see past the reliance of much of the detail on the supposed tribunal evidence of Sporrenberg, given his actual, non-technical role and the fact that the 'evidence' itself is a copy of documents that have never been produced. If the original documents could be found and verified, it might be a different matter.

 

[Vardoger]

US military Diamond-T dump trucks had air vents on the side of the engine hood and looks a bit like the one in the photo. Might be different newer model.

 

[Vardoger]

Screen grab from Unsolved Mysteries, Season 3, episode 1.

 

[EnolaGaia]

Screen grab from Unsolved Mysteries, Season 3, episode 1. ...

That's a very good match to the static photo. The only difference is that the static photo shows a single large light bar atop the cab rather than three marker / running lights.

 

[Pacific Viking]

Here's an enhanced and sharpened version of the photo. The right truck looks Russian, but the star on the bumper says American. Perhaps the photo is fake and is a "recreation"? And that on top of the cabin looks like warning lights used on police and ambulance vehicles in USA.
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Without you mentioning it I would never have noticed the rooflight. that is a Federal Signal "Streethawk" only manufactured since 1980.

 

[Pacific Viking]

A supposed photo of Die Glocke from the WW2. Looks like the Americans found it first.

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Here's an enhanced and sharpened version of the photo. The right truck looks Russian, but the star on the bumper says American. Perhaps the photo is fake and is a "recreation"? And that on top of the cabin looks like warning lights used on police and ambulance vehicles in USA.
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Unlikely scene in 1965 G506 was used by US Army in WW2. The IHC harvester with a full width windscreen was 1970's vintage and the Streethawk Lightbar above the cab was not manufactured before 1980. hoax image

 

[Pacific Viking]

Die Glocke was part of an Atomic bomb project.

During WW2 the Nazis operated a Uranium enrichment project with gaseous Uranium centrifuges in underground plants at Kandern and Espelkamp (near Hanover) .**In early 1944 a large contract was let to the company BaMag Meguin, for mass production of gaseous Uranium centrifuges (which design forms the basis for Iran's current uranium enrichment program) German scientists developed this technology in 1942. later the enriched Uranium from these centrifuges were enriched to HEU., to build a Uranium A-bomb which is today better known as the Little Boy bomb after it was captured intact at Gosslar on26 April 1945.

Depleted Uranium from Centrifuges was sent to die Glocke at Ludwigsdorf Silesia, where it was rumored to be part of a Plutonium harvesting. operation. I cannot prove this claim hence I only cite it as a "rumour."
The Waffen SS has their own A-bomb project distinct from the HWA (German Army project) codename Hexenkessel. associated with two nuclear test explosions in March 1945 at Ohrdruf.

Ohrdruf nuclear tests 1945
Author cites Nazi nuclear bomb

The OSS parachuted a spy * into Tyrol in May 1945 who negotiated with SS Lt General Kammler for ALSOS to recover another Nazi Bell from tunnels under Melk Gusen concentration camp, Austria. Andreas Sulzer attempted to investigate Nazi tunnels under Melk and discovered high levels of radiation there. *[operation Brooklyn]

**[SOURCES]
Unidentified diary seized by ALSOS (found in Oak Ridge file box G-355)
Dr Wilhelm Groth’s diary and reports (found in Oak Ridge file box G-146, 149, & 158)

Report on Uranium centrifuge plants at Kandern & Freiburg (found in Oak Ridge file box G-330)
Espelkamp research by Dirk Finkemeier & Major(Ret'd) Keith Sanders

below Dirk Finkemeier:

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[eburacum]

This was a nasty weapon, but not really an atomic bomb. Instead it used conventional explosives to spread uranium around as a poison. There may have been tests of such a weapon, resulting in casualties, but it would have been largely useless as a tactical weapon at that stage of the war.

 

[Vardoger]

Unlikely scene in 1965 G506 was used by US Army in WW2. The IHC harvester with a full width windscreen was 1970's vintage and the Streethawk Lightbar above the cab was not manufactured before 1980. hoax image

Can you point to exact model of IHC Harvester?

 

[EnolaGaia]

Can you point to exact model of IHC Harvester?

No. IHC wasn't a mass supplier of tactical (field usage) trucks to the US Army. If the more modern tractor seen in the photo was an authentic Army-owned vehicle it was supplied under some sort of smaller contract - perhaps even a one-off acquisition for a particular unit or facility.

If this is an authentic photo from Kecksburg (mid-1960s) it's an IHC Loadstar rig. "Loadstar" was an entire series of trucks of different sub-series differentiated by size and capability. The flat-topped fenders would be custom or variant items that could have been factory originals. The features of the more modern truck in the photo point to an IHC Loadstar, and I don't know of any other Sixties-era semi tractor that looks quite the same.

The more I look at this photo the more I suspect the more modern truck image may be a PhotoShopped composite. The image resolution is too coarse and blurry to support absolute confidence in its authenticity.

 

[BS3]

https://www.bells.org/blog/when-nazis-took-all-bells

Nazi bells of another sort, including an intriguing reference to what sounds like a moderately Fortean topic: plundered bells reputed "to still reside in Hamburg warehouses". Like a sort of campanological Amber Room.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

New book seeks to unravel the mythos around alleged Nazi UFOs and advanced secret weapons:

"By contrasting the fake military-industrial pseudo-histories of Nazi UFO theorists with details of real-life Nazi aerospace achievements, the author demonstrates both how this modern-day mythology came about and how it cannot possibly be more than fractionally true. For the first time, this fake ‘alternative military history’ is laid out in full."

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1399071564?linkCode=gg2&tag=theanomalist