- Aug 19, 2003
Welcome to the board Patrick, interesting story.
Kit Hill is a mile or so north east of Callington, and maybe 12 miles from Pymouth (less from Tavistock or Liskeard).SUN 17 MAR
Kit Hill Country Park, Callington
Run by: Cornwall Council
Have a go at the ancient art of dowsing. We will look for water, archaeological remains, minerals, ley lines and more.
Suitable for any age
£2.00 adults/£1.50 concessions/£6.00 family (2A+3C)
My pal in Majorca was having a well dug recently and a local fella dutifully came along to find the underground water source. In no time flat (according to my pal) the man successfully pendulum dowsed the source. Quite taken a back his wife inquired how in the name of all things scientific he'd located the water? By way of demonstration he took his pendulum and stood over the hose pipe lying unused. He bid them, turn on the tap and as the water passed through the pipe the pendulum turned. My pal's wife wanted a go at this and repeated the sequence of events with the empty hose followed by the tap turned on. Not a sausage. Whereupon the fella placed his hands on her shoulders and what do you know? Success, the pendulum rotated.
I think there's something in that. I've never tried dowsing for water, but I have been able to get the rods to show me yes or no responses - I retain an open mind as to what is actually prompting the responses, the rods - to me - are just indicators. They were just bent bits of coat hanger, and I was sitting at a friend's kitchen table, rather than doing or using anything more esoteric. The thing that only just occurred to me tonight is that I have been shown a couple of kinesiology techniques (no rods necessary), both of which revolve around yes/no responses. So is kinesiology just dowsing with A-levels?I've heard it said (probably on this thread!) that dowsing implements act as 'amplifiers' for tiny physical responses in our hands. We are the dowsers; rods and twigs are just tools that help pinpoint what we detect. The tools themselves have no special properties.
Ten of the 12 water companies in the UK have admitted they are still using the practice of water dowsing despite the lack of scientific evidence for its effectiveness.
The disclosure has prompted calls for the regulator to stop companies passing the cost of a discredited medieval practice on to their customers. Ofwat said any firm failing to meet its commitments to customers faced a financial penalty.
Dowsers, or water witchers, claim that their divining rods cross over when the presence of water is detected below ground. It is regarded as a pseudoscience, after numerous studies showed it was no better than chance at finding water.
Some water companies, however, insisted the practice could be as effective as modern methods.
The discovery that firms were still using water diviners was made by the science blogger Sally Le Page, after her parents reported seeing an engineer from Severn Trent “walking around holding two bent tent pegs to locate a pipe” near their home in Stratford-upon-Avon.
Le Page asked Severn Trent why it was still using divining rods to find pipes when there was no evidence that it worked.
Replying on Twitter, the company said: “We’ve found that some of the older methods are just as effective than the new ones, but we do use drones as well, and now satellites.”
Just because they don't know how it works doesn't mean it doesn't work.
I'm in two minds about this. I know there's no scientific evidence for it (yet) and properly conducted trials give results no better than chance. However, I've tried dowsing with others with good results...
Really, I have no idea if it works or not, but many people use it as a normal thing. Assuming that if it does work it is the result of a sense we normally underuse rather than some form of witchy magic, I think it is worth proper investigation from a neutral standpoint, instead of the sceptical approach that everyone claiming to be a dowser is a charlatan.
Agreed, "energy" is a term that has specific meanings in certain physical contexts, but it is as good as any other in this area even if we can't precisely define it in the same way as we can in more established fields of science.
I never heard anything about this. What references would you recommend?
The problem for me is that I don't think dowsing involves any energy except that attributed to holding a stick and walking. We've never been able to measure ANY energy/force/signal/thing related to dowsing (except expectation). So, I reject the term entirely as applied to dowsing (and other supposed occult forces).
I entirely disagree with this characterization. The water is there for anyone to find, no witching (or jury) needed. But an eye and a feel for the land does help. So, as a hydrogeologist, I don't think divination works. At all. But, as typically happens, let the "knowers" who have tried it yell at me that "it worked" for them. More stories (than you can shake a forked stick at) aren't going to sway me. See here for my professional take on dowsing. (And that's all I'm going to say about dowsing in this thread.)People find underground water by dowsing. The jury's out on how it works.
There is no doubt that dowsing does work, but it is not restricted to finding water -- many professional dowsers have made a good living finding mineral deposits for big corporations. Reddish was the first person to find evidence about how it works, and it was the Ministry of Defence that first noted a connection between Reddish's findings and the Russian work on torsion. Afterwards Reddish and a small team found evidence that the energy detected by dowsers is torsion generated by the earth and the sun, refracted by geological and other features. How or why it is associated with time slips and other phenomena is the real mystery.People find underground water by dowsing. The jury's out on how it works.